MMA Catch All Thread.

Spikeout wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
Spikeout wrote:

Thought I'd bump this thread up. Did anyone see UFC on Fox 6 last night? Thought it was a very good card. Raging I never got to see Clay Guida's fight.

That fight was really close and a classic matchup between workrate and technique. I have to agree with Joe Rogan that the judge that had it 30-27 for Guida needs to be banned from ever judging fights ever again.

How was Guida's performance then, he look good at the new weight?

He has never been a terribly technical fighter and the weight change didn't alter that. He still has a high workrate and he is still strong, but he was getting way out pointed when both fighters were on their feet. He scored two takedowns, but failed to do any damage at all from the top. I suspect that they gave the fight to him on the strength of the two takedowns alone. If the fight had been outside the US, I could very easily have seen this going the other way. And like Rogan said, that judge that had it 30-27 Guida should never be allowed to judge fights ever again. Ever. Ever ever.

Ever.

Paleocon wrote:
Spikeout wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
Spikeout wrote:

Thought I'd bump this thread up. Did anyone see UFC on Fox 6 last night? Thought it was a very good card. Raging I never got to see Clay Guida's fight.

That fight was really close and a classic matchup between workrate and technique. I have to agree with Joe Rogan that the judge that had it 30-27 for Guida needs to be banned from ever judging fights ever again.

How was Guida's performance then, he look good at the new weight?

He has never been a terribly technical fighter and the weight change didn't alter that. He still has a high workrate and he is still strong, but he was getting way out pointed when both fighters were on their feet. He scored two takedowns, but failed to do any damage at all from the top. I suspect that they gave the fight to him on the strength of the two takedowns alone. If the fight had been outside the US, I could very easily have seen this going the other way. And like Rogan said, that judge that had it 30-27 Guida should never be allowed to judge fights ever again. Ever. Ever ever.

Ever.

Yeah he's never been the most technical at all, especially on the feet. His heart is massive though & he usually does pretty decent damage when he's on top. Some of the judges haven't a clue about scoring fights. Can you watch the Guida match anywhere?

Spikeout wrote:

How was Guida's performance then, he look good at the new weight?

He looked really thin. Not lean -- just thin. The porn 'stache didn't really help the look. But, no, I didn't think he won the fight. As much as I've liked Guida in the past, that might have been the worst of the fights on the Fox and FX cards.

It was a mixed bag of fights -- some good, some OK. Nothing epic.

Ryan Bader looked monsterous. He was the only one who overwhelmed.

And I thought Johnson looked pretty good in the title fight. Dodson took the first couple of rounds, but Johnson hung in there.

I'm not sure how I felt about Rampage getting pwned like he did. I'm not even sure he's worthy of being a gatekeeper in that division at this point. But, hell, light heavy has traditionally been such a weird division that he might end up fighting for a belt before too long.

Enix wrote:

I'm not sure how I felt about Rampage getting pwned like he did. I'm not even sure he's worthy of being a gatekeeper in that division at this point. But, hell, light heavy has traditionally been such a weird division that he might end up fighting for a belt before too long.

I believe that was the last fight on his UFC contract - given his issues with them currently and in the past, I'd be suprised if he even has a chance to keep any gates for the UFC.

To me, Rampage looked like a guy going thru the motions, trying not to get hurt.

TexasRay wrote:
Enix wrote:

I'm not sure how I felt about Rampage getting pwned like he did. I'm not even sure he's worthy of being a gatekeeper in that division at this point. But, hell, light heavy has traditionally been such a weird division that he might end up fighting for a belt before too long.

I believe that was the last fight on his UFC contract - given his issues with them currently and in the past, I'd be suprised if he even has a chance to keep any gates for the UFC.

To me, Rampage looked like a guy going thru the motions, trying not to get hurt.

Yeah Rampage is probably done with the UFC. He's been bad mouthing them for the past year about how bad they've treated him and fighters don't make any money. Then Dana came out and said he's made 15 million with the UFC.

Gumbie wrote:

Yeah Rampage is probably done with the UFC. He's been bad mouthing them for the past year about how bad they've treated him and fighters don't make any money. Then Dana came out and said he's made 15 million with the UFC.

He'd probably have to go to WWE to make anywhere near that kind of money. I doubt that any of the Japan fight orgs could pay him that much.

I'm off to Vegas tomorrow to watch UFC156. Very excited, my third live UFC event and I think the Aldo/Edgar fight is going to be a good one.

That is a fun trip - I would highly recommend going to the weigh-ins and hanging around for the Q&A - those are usually very interesting.

Double post...

I'll add that staying in the hotel/casino where the event is held makes it that much more fun! We stayed at the Mandalay for the Silva/Befort Super Bowl card a few years ago - there were several fighters staying on our floor and wound up in the elevator with guys like Kenny Florian, Anthony Pettis, and Rich Franklin (and his wife).

Tach wrote:

I'm off to Vegas tomorrow to watch UFC156. Very excited, my third live UFC event and I think the Aldo/Edgar fight is going to be a good one.

I hope so. I think Aldo might make quick work of it so don't blink.

Have fun and don't forget to report back to us. I've never been to one live, so I'd love to read about your experiences there.

Enix wrote:
Tach wrote:

I'm off to Vegas tomorrow to watch UFC156. Very excited, my third live UFC event and I think the Aldo/Edgar fight is going to be a good one.

I hope so. I think Aldo might make quick work of it so don't blink.

Have fun and don't forget to report back to us. I've never been to one live, so I'd love to read about your experiences there.

amen to this.

Edgar is a bit unorthodox for a fighter and that might buy him some time, but if he doesn't get it done early, he won't have a chance to get it done late. Aldo's kicks are just too fast and too hard.

Paleocon wrote:
Enix wrote:
Tach wrote:

I'm off to Vegas tomorrow to watch UFC156. Very excited, my third live UFC event and I think the Aldo/Edgar fight is going to be a good one.

I hope so. I think Aldo might make quick work of it so don't blink.

Have fun and don't forget to report back to us. I've never been to one live, so I'd love to read about your experiences there.

amen to this.

Edgar is a bit unorthodox for a fighter and that might buy him some time, but if he doesn't get it done early, he won't have a chance to get it done late. Aldo's kicks are just too fast and too hard.

Yeah, Aldo's leg kicks are no joke.

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I agree with the judges outcome on this, but I thought the fight was closer than the cards. I also still don't understand why Aldo abandoned the leg kicks in the late 2nd round. He was clearly doing damage and when he stopped, he lost his speed advantage. I say he should have ridden that horse until The Answer could prove he had an answer for it.

Spoiler:

I think Jose tried to play it a little too safe this match. He was scared of Edgar's takedowns and abandoned the leg kicks too soon.

My favorite moment of the night was Bigfoot vs Overeem. Hubris caught up with Reem, he clearly had the advantage in striking. Bigfoot looked like he was moving underwater vs Reem but you have to keep your guard up.

Or this happens

Secret Asian Man wrote:
Spoiler:

I think Jose tried to play it a little too safe this match. He was scared of Edgar's takedowns and abandoned the leg kicks too soon.

My favorite moment of the night was Bigfoot vs Overeem. Hubris caught up with Reem, he clearly had the advantage in striking. Bigfoot looked like he was moving underwater vs Reem but you have to keep your guard up.

Or this happens

Yeah. I have never been all that impressed with Overreem anyway. Herb looked like he didn't want any part of the flurry even to stop the damage. I think he let it go about four punches too many just so he wouldn't eat any on the way to getting in the way.

At this point, the only heavyweight I can see beating Cain is Junior (the only one to ever have done it before).

I watched the prelims, fell asleep at parts through the maincard (I'm UK were its on from 3am-6am). I thought it was a pretty good card overall.

Spoiler:

Really interesting main event, Aldo came out strong like I expected, he just has insane speed. His jabs were getting through & his leg kicks were wipping into Edgar on a right few occasions over the first couple of rounds. Definitely had Aldo the first & second rounds, the third is a bit more debatable but I think Aldo edged it on damage done. Rounds 4 & 5 is were Franky started to come into his own, his conditioning is insane & he we pressing the fight & landing more shots, got that great takedown (even if it was only for a few seconds) then got some nice knee's into Aldo's legs once Jose sprung up with Franky holding onto his back.

I love Franky Edgar & really like Jose Aldo, it was an intriguing fight to watch, overall think Aldo took first 3 rounds & done way more damage. Franky's footwork was once again an example to all other fighters & he got some nice combo's in. If he had power he'd be devastating. Loved Aldo's superman punch right at the end, hands down going back against the cage with Edgar coming forward then bam serious distance covered with the superman punch & nice connection.

On the other matches, Evans v Lil Nog was an anti-climax, both fighters afraid to commit (especially Evans) & it ended up one fighter outworked the other with nothing much happening the whole match. Evans shouldn't be anywhere near a title shot with performances like that had he of won.

Overeem v Silva was a classic case of I am far superior standing, you can't do nothing to me here, then in the third round Silva lands a lovely uppercut & proceeds to smash an unguarded face & knocks Overeem out. Paleocon I'm on the same track as you, the only one that can beat Cain is JDS at the minute, he'd need to up his conditioning immensely though.

Did anyone see Dunham v Tibau? Have it recorded, only seen the last minute or so of the fight, was an exciting end to the match.

Spikeout wrote:

Did anyone see Dunham v Tibau? Have it recorded, only seen the last minute or so of the fight, was an exciting end to the match.

I saw it.

Spoiler:

It was pretty underwhelming, to be honest. I thought Tibau was going to break Dunham in half with those huge arms of his. But Tibau gassed kind of early, and he left his head out there for Dunham to hit over and over and over again. Problem is, Dunham wasn't strong enough to KO him, so we got a third round of Tibau's human punching bag act.

Split decision was probably the right call here.

I'd skip it unless you're a big fan of either guy.

If you taped the FX portion, make sure to catch the Vallie-Flagg/Edwards fight that started it. At first blush I figured it would be a couple of over-the-hill fighters. But I was way wrong, and they put on a very good show. The Green-Volkmann fight was probably my second favorite on the free card.

Paleocon wrote:

Herb looked like he didn't want any part of the flurry even to stop the damage. I think he let it go about four punches too many just so he wouldn't eat any on the way to getting in the way.

Pretty sure you're right about that. Look at Herb's face.
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Watching some of Overeem's K-1 matches. I wonder if that style of fighting is hurting him in UFC/MMA. The kickboxing style defense/movement he employs in this match wouldn't work in a mma match. He simply walks into the clinch many times. Do that in UFC and you're in a world of hurt.

Either way I think he has some skills but not up to the hype, but then again heavyweight is probably my least favorite weight class.

Heavy is definitely a different kind of fight and requires a different expectation.

I think most of the reason folks like it the least is because, for the longest time, it was simply a weak division. Roy Nelson is one hell of a grappler that succeeds despite his frame rather than because of it and yet he dominated his way through the Ultimate Fighter house in possibly the weakest TUF showing ever.

That said, I still think that the top of the field looks pretty good between Dos Santos and Velasquez. Both have amazing speed and timing for folks that big and their stand up technique is pretty scary. There are others that seem to be decent gatekeepers (e.g.: Mir, Nelson), but the general level of technique and ability at the sub-champion level just isn't to the level of everything from the Light Heavy class down. I am convinced, for instance, that John Jones could give away 30 pounds to Bigfoot Silva and still beat his ass like a plastic bucket.

Paleocon wrote:

Heavy is definitely a different kind of fight and requires a different expectation.

I think most of the reason folks like it the least is because, for the longest time, it was simply a weak division.

That and the fact that HW fights tend to be slow, plodding affairs.

Lesnar was the perfect guy for that division: a big, mouthy cartoon villain.

Dos Santos and Velasquez seem to have some decent skills beyond just trying to load up and land one big KTFO punch. Beyond that, meh.

I think you're right about Jones. He could probably clean out the division if we bulked up a bit.

A pretty sweet knockout courtesy of last night's TUF.

Even more amazing than the knockout (which seems slow and badly defended, but, hey, it worked!) is the fact that The Ultimate Fighter is up to 17 iterations.

I became a fan of the sport back in TUF 5. It took me only to about TUF 7 to realize there wasn't a whole lot to the show other than a lot of drunken meatheads beating the hell out of each other.

That was a NASTY kick!

I haven't watched TUF very much in the past few years - it used to be must see for us, but we tired of the "drunken meatheads" story lines. I did like the live fights approach they tried recenly.

I had not been so excited for a fight since Machida/Evans. Much as that did not disappoint, RR-LC did not either. Fantastic. Dramatic too. There couldn't have been a better introductory bout to women's prime time MMA.

What you guys think of UFC 158? The Condit v Hendricks match was absolutely outstanding. Massive Condit fan as it is & thought both him & Hendricks fought their hearts out. Main event was how I expected, though Diaz would have given a bit more though. He should have been pressuring GSP with reckless abandon those 4th & 5th rounds but he just taunted & threw the odd punch.

I thought the Hendricks/Condit match was great - should've been a 5 rounder. Any matchup where the winner gets a title shot should be 5 rounds.

Main event went exactly as I expected. If his opponent can't stop the takedown, then GSP will get take downs and do work/hold them down.

I'm hoping Hendricks will be a good challenge for GSP as he's a solid wrestler with a huge left hand.

Personally, I'm fairly bored with GSP fights in general. I don't dispute his greatness at all, I'm just not a fan of that fighting style.

I personally thought Condit done the more damage on the ground & therefore just edged the fight but a lot of respect for Hendricks as well, fought on with a broken hand. The outcome does mean a better matchup to potentially defeat GSP. Yeah sort of thought the same thing myself about the main event, GSP is phenomenal in all departments but lacks power & a killer instinct. His fights are similar, that's why I hope Hendricks knocks him out even though I like GSP well enough.

It's weird with the changes in the fighters you end up liking when their performance drops shockingly or their in a boring fight. I remember absolutely loving Houston Alexander when he knocked out Keith Jardine, one of my favourite comebacks & brutal finishes ever. After the Sakara fight he just gets took down & his ground game is a shambles then every subsequent fight it continues to be a shambles. The last straw was the fight against Kimbo Slice, boring, uneventful pile of garbage & you end up near hating the guy. Same with Chris Leben in TUF class A jackass, hated his guts then his fighting style is so exciting it wins you over.

Does Jon Jones not feel pain? He didn't realize he had a broken toe until way later. He was jogging around after the fight too.

Secret Asian Man wrote:

Does Jon Jones not feel pain? He didn't realize he had a broken toe until way later. He was jogging around after the fight too.

Not just a broken toe, but one with the bone sticking out of his skin!!

Secret Asian Man wrote:

Does Jon Jones not feel pain? He didn't realize he had a broken toe until way later. He was jogging around after the fight too.

Adrenaline does wonderful things. You could see that he was feeling it during the interview though.

The toe thing was crazy, but the fight was just ridiculous and not in a good way. Jones totally dominated Sonnen in every way. For all of Sonnen's ramblings about winning one for the "bad guy", he barely showed up at all.