NFL 2012 Super Bowl Thread

I'm really annoyed right now. My office pool numbers were:

49ers: 3 Ravens: 4
and
49ers: 9 Ravens: 8

I was within 1 score of getting money from every quarter, and the final. Sigh.

Crabtree also pushed the DB to the ground, it went both ways, good non call.

The non call cost me $225

Last two QBs to call themselves elite in the off season and got mocked all year went on to win the Super Bowl. Dibs on who does it this year?

Double post like an elite poster.

Kush15 wrote:

Crabtree also pushed the DB to the ground, it went both ways, good non call.

The non call cost me $225

Ball was snapped from the five. DB was holding onto Crabtree two yards deep into the end zone, so it's illegal contact at a bare minimum. The DB goes down after that so, even if you nail Crabtree for a push, it's a push that happens after a defensive foul pretty clearly occurs.

Wouldn't it be off-setting penalties then?

Stop crying about your gambling :p Jacoby Jones MVP would of shipped me 5k haha

Yeah, it may have looked to be a hold, but they let things go all game. What of Flacco getting got out of bounds, or all the punches thrown? DBs hold onto jerseys like that all the time.

thejustinbot wrote:

Last two QBs to call themselves elite in the off season and got mocked all year went on to win the Super Bowl. Dibs on who does it this year?

Gods I hope RGIII does that.

Like I said, annoyed.

In total, it was $10 on the line.

Only 2 penalties on the Ravens. One for running into kicker, and one for late hit on QB. 2 calls that they have to make. Everything else, they let go.

Stele, that's wrong. The hold wouldn't have stopped play. Chris Kluwe(who should know the exact rules for that situation) has made a few tweets about it:

https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/st...
https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/st...

That ball was uncatchable that far out of bounds which is why I think there was no penalty. All-in-all I think the refs just let the game play out. There were a lot of punches thrown and refs pushed that a lot of players could have been ejected. They just let them play and it made for an entertaining game.

Kush15 wrote:

Wouldn't it be off-setting penalties then?

Never once seen offsetting penalties on both a WR and DB on any play; it's one or the other. And yes, things are let go all the time, but that one was I thought pretty clearly past the point of normal "let it go". If that play happens in the first half, does anyone doubt that's getting called? It's an utterly critical situation so, for good or ill, the refs let it go. Personally, I thought they clenched and didn't want to decide the game (even though it looked like they should have).

cube wrote:

Stele, that's wrong. The hold wouldn't have stopped play. Chris Kluwe(who should know the exact rules for that situation) has made a few tweets about it:

https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/st...
https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/st...

Yeah sorry you're right. I was listening to someone else say that and not thinking it through.

But watching the highlights on ESPN now, he would have got sacked at about 8 seconds, or forced out of bounds without the hold.

The Ravens guy is grabbing a jersey in the end zone, 3 yards from the punter. It's ridiculous.

And yeah the 4th down play shows clearly holding on Crabtree's jersey, 2 yards deep in the end zone. Isn't that holding no matter what? PI is the only call where "uncatchable" comes into play? And how do you know he can't make 3 more steps and jump to catch it before it goes out of bounds? Come on, man!

mudbunny wrote:

Brilliant plan having the punter take a safety and, in the process, burn off 8 seconds.

Ravens win!!

Except for the part where the Ravens were holding in the end zone to keep the punter safe. Should have stopped play with about 6-7 seconds left for the safety. He would have been tackled or forced out of bounds sooner without the blatant hold.

At that point James could have ran out of bounds at midfield, since he made it there with 4 seconds left.... 65 yard FG to tie or so, would have at least been a shot.

The whole "not wanting a call to change the game" is bullsh*t. The rules are the rules. By not making the call, you are affecting the outcome of the game.

It was a bad non-call. It was also predictable, so smart of the defender to take advantage.

The 49ers lost because they didn't show up until the second half.

Jayhawker wrote:

It was a bad non-call. It was also predictable, so smart of the defender to take advantage.

The 49ers lost because they didn't show up until the second half.

I wouldn't be surprised if the play call was blitz so he has to force the ball out and mug the receivers and see if the refs have the balls to throw that flag.

*shrug* Its sports. This is partly why other sports that can do 7 game series. The other reason is $$$$

So, I threw my support behind San Fran as I used to be a huge Joe Montana fan and they were representing the West Coast. But the Ravens played a hell of a game, and I have to admit that when it came to the Harbaugh bros I'd much rather see John win than Jim.

As far as the bad calls, if your victory or defeat comes down to one call you were screwing up to begin with. I almost never agree with Jayhawker, but he's completely right about the first half.

Jayhawker wrote:

It was a bad non-call. It was also predictable, so smart of the defender to take advantage.

The 49ers lost because they didn't show up until the second half.

This. We could nitpick about things all we want, but the fact is the 49ers, per usual in the post-season, weren't all there in the first half. The Ravens wanted it from the kick off return and didn't let go.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Ball was snapped from the five. DB was holding onto Crabtree two yards deep into the end zone, so it's illegal contact at a bare minimum. The DB goes down after that so, even if you nail Crabtree for a push, it's a push that happens after a defensive foul pretty clearly occurs.

Exactly. It's defensive holding, which is a penalty even if a pass is not thrown. Crabtree trying to shove off of Smith once the ball is in the air is already after the fact of the defensive infraction.

At bare minimum, though, flag them both and replay 4th down. Make the comeback live or die on a clean play.

There was some rather flagrant holding on the safety play, as well. Which should have impacted the starting point of the free kick and could have put the fair catch play back on the table.

The 49ers have themselves to blame for getting so far behind early. And when trying to score the go-ahead touchdown while bleeding the clock, I sure didn't like running three straight pass plays from 2nd and goal on the 5.

But it's a damn shame how badly the officiating was there at the end.

But watching the highlights on ESPN now, he would have got sacked at about 8 seconds, or forced out of bounds without the hold.

The Ravens guy is grabbing a jersey in the end zone, 3 yards from the punter. It's ridiculous.

And great coaching. If you were the Ravens' coach and knew the rules, you'd tell your guys to go out there and hold like there's no tomorrow...because there isn't, and the result is what you want: to take time off the clock and give up a safety. I'm sure they were told to just make sure it took the defenders as long to get to the punter as possible.

And, as I said before, there were calls earlier in the game that weren't made, either. A big hit on Flacco when he was clearly out of bounds in the second half. A holding/pass interference call that should have been made (Boldin was involved) on a big third down attempt earlier in the game. Hell, some Ravens player should have been ejected for shoving a ref during one of the scrums. If they're going to let those through, then the last play is par for the course. I'd rather see consistency than have the refs decide suddenly that they're going to enforce something they'd let go earlier.

I thought the blatant hold on Crabtree was a disappointing end to an otherwise awesome game. Made worse by Simms babbling over and over (because hey if you say it enough times it becomes true) that it was a good non call. Granted it didnt effect the outcome of the game.. as stated by others the 49'ers lost because they didnt do enough to win.

I just would have liked to see the call get made because its the right thing to do.. as well as I would have loved the high drama of Flacco driving the Ravens down the field for the inevitable game winning FG as time expires.

Just so then we could over analyze the awful 2 point play call..

TheGameguru wrote:

I thought the blatant hold on Crabtree was a disappointing end to an otherwise awesome game. Made worse by Simms babbling over and over (because hey if you say it enough times it becomes true) that it was a good non call. Granted it didnt effect the outcome of the game.. as stated by others the 49'ers lost because they didnt do enough to win.

I just would have liked to see the call get made because its the right thing to do.. as well as I would have loved the high drama of Flacco driving the Ravens down the field for the inevitable game winning FG as time expires.

Just so then we could over analyze the awful 2 point play call..

This. Didn't really care who won; I was rooting for the 49ers to score most of the game simply because I wanted an exciting game; the thing I find bothersome is the one thing I'm going to remember from this game was the refs didn't have the balls to call a blatant foul because they didn't want to be accused of deciding the game. Also, if you think it wasn't a penalty, Phil Simms thinks it was a good non-call. Phil Simms is always wrong.

Vega wrote:

That ball was uncatchable that far out of bounds which is why I think there was no penalty.

If it's a holding call rather than pass interference, it doesn't matter whether the pass was catchable or not.

From PFT:

Mike Florio wrote:

Two weeks ago, as the Falcons were driving for a potential NFC title-winning touchdown, a fourth-down play resulted in an incomplete pass to receiver Roddy White due in large part to the fact that linebacker NaVorro Bowman admitted to some “pulling and tugging” of White.

Jim Harbaugh is smart enough to realize that, in those situations, the flags stay a little deeper in the officials’ pockets. His team benefited from that dynamic to get to the Super Bowl, and his team was harmed by it in the Super Bowl.

Regardless, that’s football — and it’s incumbent on any coach when calling plays in crunch time and any quarterback throwing the passes to realize that in close cases of pulling and tugging the refs won’t be pulling or tugging the laundry out of their pants.

Apparently Jim Harbaugh pulled a Belichick and dodged the post-game media.

I feel that coaches that don't face the music after a loss shouldn't get the spotlight if they win. I sure he would have no problem talking to the media if they had won, and I'm almost positive John Harbaugh would have been there if he had lost.

TheGameguru wrote:

I thought the blatant hold on Crabtree was a disappointing end to an otherwise awesome game. Made worse by Simms babbling over and over (because hey if you say it enough times it becomes true) that it was a good non call. Granted it didnt effect the outcome of the game.. as stated by others the 49'ers lost because they didnt do enough to win.

I just would have liked to see the call get made because its the right thing to do.. as well as I would have loved the high drama of Flacco driving the Ravens down the field for the inevitable game winning FG as time expires.

Just so then we could over analyze the awful 2 point play call..

It directly affected the outcome of the game, it just wasn't the only thing that decided the outcome of the game. I thought this was a really enjoyable super bowl. I wasn't so hot on the commercials this year, but the game really came down to the wire.

S0LIDARITY wrote:

I wasn't so hot on the commercials this year

Was it me, or did Doritos waste a s-ton of money for ad time this year. Those Doritos commercials were horrible.

I did chuckle when the bot girl punch the one dude into the wall and threw up a TD signal.