League Of Legends Catch All

I play bot games when I want a win of the day and only have time for one game, or if I'm trying a new champion that seems difficult or out of my wheelhouse. Dominion is good for this too.

Edit: nvm.

Dyni wrote:

It annoys me a bit when people try champions for the first time in solo queue blind or draft mode and feed their lane hard because they don't have any idea what they're doing. At least try to get a basic concept of how to play the champ in a bot game or Dominion so you don't waste 20-30 minutes of 4 other people's time.

It's likely less fun for the person losing their lane than it is you in that situation, rest assured. Thing is, you never know what that person's background with the champ is, only that they're having a rough time of it. re: that zed game the other day, I'd played probably 5 or 10 practice games with bots getting his build and his kit to a point where I felt comfortable taking it "live" and it just didn't go well. Lesson learned, but not safe to assume people are just taking champs in dry.

Dyni wrote:

Edit: nvm.

Thank you.

Jow wrote:
Dyni wrote:

It annoys me a bit when people try champions for the first time in solo queue blind or draft mode and feed their lane hard because they don't have any idea what they're doing. At least try to get a basic concept of how to play the champ in a bot game or Dominion so you don't waste 20-30 minutes of 4 other people's time.

It's likely less fun for the person losing their lane than it is you in that situation, rest assured. Thing is, you never know what that person's background with the champ is, only that they're having a rough time of it. re: that zed game the other day, I'd played probably 5 or 10 practice games with bots getting his build and his kit to a point where I felt comfortable taking it "live" and it just didn't go well. Lesson learned, but not safe to assume people are just taking champs in dry.

I definitely not referring to you. I'm referring to those guys that insta-lock kat mid and then the minute the game starts type, "first time Kat, what buy first? Max E?"

Don't be that guy, new people. It happens a lot

Dyni wrote:

I definitely not referring to you. I'm referring to those guys that insta-lock kat mid and then the minute the game starts type, "first time Kat, what buy first? Max E?"

Don't be that guy, new people. It happens a lot :(

Awright - sorry for assuming. All I know is y'all sounded exasperated and disinterested in that game the other day and I want these things to be more fun, damn it.

Jow wrote:

ya know, Stele, I'm realizing I'm in the same boat - losing in this game is never fun, but often the way it goes down is like sand under my fingernails. The worst is when I try a champ I'm not that familiar with in a lane I don't normally play (top) and I just can't make anything happen and it kicks my grump-meter up significantly. I can't think of any other non-RTS multiplayer game I've ever played that has a dynamic quite like that.

Speaking of which... Zed vs. Tryndamere thoughts? Been trying to get used to Zed and in my second game with him top went up against Tryndamere. For the record, as a guy who usually plays squishy mids, I've come to hate seeing Trynd on the opposing team... so any time I see him I tend to be perhaps overconservative so I don't get caught and nuked down. This particular game it didn't go badly per se, but aside of one succesful early jungler gank he was pretty free to push the lane as his sustain rendered my pokes mostly ineffective. I ended the game 5/5 while he finished 6/9 (after a 2/7 start) but because of the farming freedom he ended the game with nearly 100 more CS than I had. Any thoughts on this matchup and on top lane in general?

I have seen a few different ways people play zed. Some use abilities to farm, some use abilities to harass. This second grp are the ones I see win lane. Your q gives you range to poke while farming, and if he pushed to tower use q to poke while under tower. Trynd is great at chasing, but zed has great escape with clone jump and slow. Try to trick him, when he runs at you throw clone in bush while running into river, when you hit river bush jump to clone. Mind the time it takes for clone to disappear so you dont miss it. But in general cloning one way while running opposite way can usually get you out of most situations. Also if you start close to river you can clone jump over wall, but you risk him spin jumping over with you. There are some walls you can jump and he can't. Other than that early life steal and health regen for sustain. I think there is an ad item that lowers healing, try that maybe?
I own and like zed but I find him a little underwhelming compared to others. He might be similar to talon in a few ways. Like how well he can crush many ap mids.

Complex wrote:

I have seen a few different ways people play zed. Some use abilities to farm, some use abilities to harass. This second grp are the ones I see win lane. Your q gives you range to poke while farming, and if he pushed to tower use q to poke while under tower. Trynd is great at chasing, but zed has great escape with clone jump and slow. Try to trick him, when he runs at you throw clone in bush while running into river, when you hit river bush jump to clone. Mind the time it takes for clone to disappear so you dont miss it. But in general cloning one way while running opposite way can usually get you out of most situations. Also if you start close to river you can clone jump over wall, but you risk him spin jumping over with you. There are some walls you can jump and he can't. Other than that early life steal and health regen for sustain. I think there is an ad item that lowers healing, try that maybe?
I own and like zed but I find him a little underwhelming compared to others. He might be similar to talon in a few ways. Like how well he can crush many ap mids.

Thanks for the response, Complex. It's pretty amusing, because when Zed first came out I was almost completely disinterested, but decided to try him on free day and was intrigued enough to pick him up. I'd really like to get him down well enough to consistently compete top lane.

Anyway, with Zed and other energy-based champs I feel like you NEED to be harrassing with your abilities as frequently as possible to take advantage of the lack of cost. Problem with THAT is because he's in the mix meleeing creeps, your harrassment also hits creeps and you end up losing CS because of it. I feel like Zed's issue is heavy energy costs on anything but single ability usage. Combine that with Trynd's sustain and I just couldn't keep the energy bar high enough to continually harass and yet maintain enough energy and/or have W on cooldown in case he decided to dive and ult me. He did try a couple of times, but a quick W into E for the slow made escape pretty easy. He never killed me in lane, but like I said, i got outfarmed pretty heavily.

FedoraMcQuaid wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
TheTino wrote:

Late Sunday night I had run out of other games to play so I found myself loading up League of Legends and playing a round for the first time in about a year or so. My old main, Katarina, seems to have earned herself a new (awesome) ability and I kinda wanna get back into the swing of things.

(The same could be said about my activity on GWJ - I'm horrible at forums but I'm trying to figure them out. But I've been following the podcast for years.)

So - I'm not very good at this game, are there any groups that focus with bots? Or maybe I can be convinced to try against humans again if ya'll are willing to coach me along!

See my first post on this page. None of the regulars play bot games very often, but that's all gravity is brave enough to play at the moment, so I'll probably be joining him for at least one sometime tonight.

I play bot games all the time!

I never see you on, how could you possibly play bot game "all the time!"?

Jow wrote:

Anyway, with Zed and other energy-based champs I feel like you NEED to be harrassing with your abilities as frequently as possible to take advantage of the lack of cost. Problem with THAT is because he's in the mix meleeing creeps, your harrassment also hits creeps and you end up losing CS because of it. I feel like Zed's issue is heavy energy costs on anything but single ability usage.

Yep, energy is good for regular skirmishing, mana is better for long fights. So if you're playing an energy user, you do need to take advantage of the fact that you get a full recharge every creep wave.

The good Zeds I've seen max W or E first, and do push quite hard. You will lose some CS, but your opponent will lose more if they're constantly tower farming. Naturally you have to ward so you don't get killed while doing this. Heavy push strategies require you to be able to do something while your lane is pushed, which makes it much more attractive in mid, because you have multiple jungle camps nearby and can roam for ganks to either lane. Taking Zed top as blue (or in blind pick) is not recommended.

Mr Crinkle wrote:

The good Zeds I've seen max W or E first, and do push quite hard. You will lose some CS, but your opponent will lose more if they're constantly tower farming. Naturally you have to ward so you don't get killed while doing this. Heavy push strategies require you to be able to do something while your lane is pushed, which makes it much more attractive in mid, because you have multiple jungle camps nearby and can roam for ganks to either lane. Taking Zed top as blue (or in blind pick) is not recommended.

I really suspect blind pick solo queue is the majority of my problem, to be honest.

Looked him up on the lol wiki to check scaling on Q vs. E and discovered something interesting: the shadow Q does about half the damage of the normal... was not aware of that. Don't really see any numerical advantage in going E first, other than you're more likely to consistently hit a melee farmer with E than Q. I'll have to experiment with it.

Mr Crinkle wrote:
Jow wrote:

Anyway, with Zed and other energy-based champs I feel like you NEED to be harrassing with your abilities as frequently as possible to take advantage of the lack of cost. Problem with THAT is because he's in the mix meleeing creeps, your harrassment also hits creeps and you end up losing CS because of it. I feel like Zed's issue is heavy energy costs on anything but single ability usage.

Yep, energy is good for regular skirmishing, mana is better for long fights. So if you're playing an energy user, you do need to take advantage of the fact that you get a full recharge every creep wave.

The good Zeds I've seen max W or E first, and do push quite hard. You will lose some CS, but your opponent will lose more if they're constantly tower farming. Naturally you have to ward so you don't get killed while doing this. Heavy push strategies require you to be able to do something while your lane is pushed, which makes it much more attractive in mid, because you have multiple jungle camps nearby and can roam for ganks to either lane. Taking Zed top as blue (or in blind pick) is not recommended.

I dont know if the push zed is the best zed. That might depend on the champ select, being anywhere near enemy tower against a trynd as zed would give a decently easy gank to a hard cc jungler (taunt, stun, hold). If your recommending he push then roam, the problem with that against a trynd is that if he sees you gone he could choose to use abilities to clear the wave really quickly. Trynd is cooldown based with fury for lane sustain. He can easily push a wave out from under the tower and to your tower if he wants, or farm under tower if he wants. I guess you will only find out which strategy works best by trying them out in game. Lucky for you its free trynd week, so you should have PLENTY of chances of trying it out XD

Jow wrote:
Mr Crinkle wrote:

The good Zeds I've seen max W or E first, and do push quite hard. You will lose some CS, but your opponent will lose more if they're constantly tower farming. Naturally you have to ward so you don't get killed while doing this. Heavy push strategies require you to be able to do something while your lane is pushed, which makes it much more attractive in mid, because you have multiple jungle camps nearby and can roam for ganks to either lane. Taking Zed top as blue (or in blind pick) is not recommended.

I really suspect blind pick solo queue is the majority of my problem, to be honest.

Looked him up on the lol wiki to check scaling on Q vs. E and discovered something interesting: the shadow Q does about half the damage of the normal... was not aware of that. Don't really see any numerical advantage in going E first, other than you're more likely to consistently hit a melee farmer with E than Q. I'll have to experiment with it.

I have seen max E first only for jungle zed, Q first for lane zed. Q is 100% AD bonus and ranged, while e 80% and smaller range (though good slow). Q is great for poke while farming, and if you must, quick q as the minions come in straight line if you want to clear fast.

Q is only 100% AD on first hit, 80% on subsequents. Base damage for secondary hits is also 80% of the primary. Unless you're really good and/or your opponent spends a lot of time monkeying around outside the minion cloud, you're not going to get many primary hits imo.

Cheeto1016 wrote:
FedoraMcQuaid wrote:
psoplayer wrote:
TheTino wrote:

Late Sunday night I had run out of other games to play so I found myself loading up League of Legends and playing a round for the first time in about a year or so. My old main, Katarina, seems to have earned herself a new (awesome) ability and I kinda wanna get back into the swing of things.

(The same could be said about my activity on GWJ - I'm horrible at forums but I'm trying to figure them out. But I've been following the podcast for years.)

So - I'm not very good at this game, are there any groups that focus with bots? Or maybe I can be convinced to try against humans again if ya'll are willing to coach me along!

See my first post on this page. None of the regulars play bot games very often, but that's all gravity is brave enough to play at the moment, so I'll probably be joining him for at least one sometime tonight.

I play bot games all the time!

I never see you on, how could you possibly play bot game "all the time!"?

Well I mean that I play bot games a lot when I do play, because the times that I do play nobody else is on.

If you are mostly interested in playing bot games, you might want to check DOTA 2 out. Its bots are vastly superior to LoL's and actually give you a pretty good challenge even when you know what you're doing. It's a different game but similar enough to LoL.

Koz wrote:

It's a different game but similar enough to LoL.

True, but at this point the problem is that after 1500 games in Leauge, it's too similar. Every tiny difference becomes a source of irritation when it doesn't behave the way I expect it to, and it all adds up to a "death by a thousand cuts" scenario where at the end of a game I have a headache and I'm angry at everything.

The Lunar Revel stuff is almost here. Year of the Snake means that Cass gets a new skin:
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Bonus Edit: PBE now has tiny CC timers under your health bar so you have something to scream at during a 30 second long Fiddle fear.
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Yeah lolking has all the lunar revel skins up in their viewer.

Cass and Corki especially look cool, but of course I don't have the champs.

Can believe we're getting a panda Tibbers before a panda Volibear. Well not really. But kinda.

At least none of my champions are getting skins agains this lunar revel, so I don't have to worry about buying any more for this game I keep pretending I'm going to get back into playing. :p

Koz wrote:

If you are mostly interested in playing bot games, you might want to check DOTA 2 out. Its bots are vastly superior to LoL's and actually give you a pretty good challenge even when you know what you're doing. It's a different game but similar enough to LoL.

Or you can just feed an intermediate bot team until they get a few levels ahead of you. Makes a bot game slightly more challenging.

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Playing AP Kayle mid is a ton of fun. I feel like I actually do damage late in the game! And her W actually heals at decent late game values (had it at 350 per cast earlier).

My issue right now is since I have never played any mid some of the champs I have never faced before making it pretty difficult at times. Thankfully I am still pretty low level so my mistakes are balanced out by the noobness of others.

Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Amumu must have some kind of innate character bonus to proc chance, because Madreds Mummy is stupid. I'm seeing procs 3 or 4 times in a row every camp (if they last that long), clearing as fast as Nocturne. It's gotta be some kind of fluke. Must play more sad jungle.

psoplayer wrote:

Amumu must have some kind of innate character bonus to proc chance, because Madreds Mummy is stupid. I'm seeing procs 3 or 4 times in a row every camp (if they last that long), clearing as fast as Nocturne. It's gotta be some kind of fluke. Must play more sad jungle.

I am greatly a fan of tears that burn. Liandry's torment mummy is fun.

Mr Crinkle wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Haha. Was this re: the Blitz baron steal in a game you ended up winning or just a general litany of woe?

Jow wrote:
Mr Crinkle wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Haha. Was this re: the Blitz baron steal in a game you ended up winning or just a general litany of woe?

I had one Baron stolen from me on Monday and two last night Also 2 dragons. I am good at smite.

Although, I'm pretty sure we won all 3 of those games, so YOU'RE WELCOME TEAM!

Dyni wrote:
Jow wrote:
Mr Crinkle wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Haha. Was this re: the Blitz baron steal in a game you ended up winning or just a general litany of woe?

I had one Baron stolen from me on Monday and two last night Also 2 dragons. I am good at smite.

Although, I'm pretty sure we won all 3 of those games, so YOU'RE WELCOME TEAM!

Giving the enemy team false hope and then just crushing their dreams. So mean...

Nights wrote:
Dyni wrote:
Jow wrote:
Mr Crinkle wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Haha. Was this re: the Blitz baron steal in a game you ended up winning or just a general litany of woe?

I had one Baron stolen from me on Monday and two last night Also 2 dragons. I am good at smite.

Although, I'm pretty sure we won all 3 of those games, so YOU'RE WELCOME TEAM!

Giving the enemy team false hope and then just crushing their dreams. So mean...

I stole a dragon from a sion jungler, but we lost and I lead the team in deaths. Though krincle wad nice enough to blame our top and mid lane pubbies.

I kinda miss the perk where Smite only granted gold as a last hit on a monster. It encouraged people to wait.

Nights wrote:
Dyni wrote:
Jow wrote:
Mr Crinkle wrote:
Dyni wrote:

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It is fortunate that you gank and engage well, because the inadequacy of your Smiting is the marvel of the civilized world.

Haha. Was this re: the Blitz baron steal in a game you ended up winning or just a general litany of woe?

I had one Baron stolen from me on Monday and two last night Also 2 dragons. I am good at smite.

Although, I'm pretty sure we won all 3 of those games, so YOU'RE WELCOME TEAM!

Giving the enemy team false hope and then just crushing their dreams. So mean...

Mind games son. Although, to be fair, I have stolen baron as Blitz before, so don't blame Dyni. Dat Blitzcrank is a THIEF!

I tried to jungle lee sin last night. I was ok in team fights but his clear was a bit slower than I would have liked. Thoughts?

I also jungled malphiddy. Is it normal for me to not feel like I'm helping except through CC? He was fine and super safe but I didn't feel like he was making a huge impact. I was probably doing it wrong.