NCAA Football 2012 Season Catch-All

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ESPN is counting our mid-term enrollees as 2013 guys, even though per *Big 12* rules they count back to 2012. Our 2012 recruiting class was governed by Big 12 rules, and our 2013 class will be governed by SEC rules.

Space is extremely tight for actual 2013 scholarships. We had someone decommit on Sunday, and immediately replaced him that same day with a guy who had been hoping a spot would open up.

Yeah, January enrolles get counted for the year prior, if, a team was under their total scholarship limit. Dawgs will probably end up singing 35 as well this year and had 13 of em get to campus last week.

Alrighty.

See everyone next Aug in the 2013 thread, when we can debate which team out of Bama, A&M, LSU, Georgia, S. Carolina and Florida will win the National Title.

Hilarious tweet from Patrick Lewis, the Center on A&M's line:

@JManziel2 I would never push you fool lol love you man. No homo

Welp, that was a vicious beating. Four titles in a row for the state of Alabama.

Have I also expressed my sadness at seeing Doug Marrone leave Syracuse? Thanks for embarrassing WVU twice for us Doug.

(I love that he's leaving for Buffalo, when there were reports his family hated Syracuse. I imagine that conversation must've been hilarious:

"Good news honey, we're moving!"
"Oh thank god, I hate this snow-covered wasteland. Where are we going?"
"........")

Yeah I can't figure out who's dumber. Marrone for going to the Bills, or the Bills for hiring a guy who went 25-25 at Syracuse?

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Hilarious tweet from Patrick Lewis, the Center on A&M's line:

@JManziel2 I would never push you fool lol love you man. No homo

Stele wrote:

Yeah I can't figure out who's dumber. Marrone for going to the Bills, or the Bills for hiring a guy who went 25-25 at Syracuse? :?

A question like this the answer is always the Bills.

Is it time yet?

All season long, some have been clinging to the Sagarin rankings to make the ludicrous claim that the Big 12 is better than the SEC. Well, the SEC just went 6-3 in bowl games, including dominating performances against OU and in last night's national championship game.

And now, Sagarin has issued his final rankings:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...

FINAL College Football 2012 through games of 2013 January 7 Monday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
HOME ADVANTAGE=[ 2.84] [ 2.75] [ 3.00]
1 Alabama A = 99.40 13 1 75.94( 19) 3 1 | 5 1 | 97.38 1 | 101.75 1
2 Oregon A = 93.91 12 1 73.15( 38) 1 1 | 3 1 | 92.40 2 | 95.37 3
3 Texas A&M A = 93.31 11 2 77.26( 6) 1 2 | 3 2 | 90.84 6 | 96.34 2
4 Georgia A = 92.15 12 2 75.06( 27) 1 2 | 4 2 | 92.04 3 | 91.96 4
5 Notre Dame A = 91.08 12 1 75.83( 21) 1 1 | 4 1 | 91.69 5 | 90.23 5
6 South Carolina A = 90.10 11 2 75.73( 23) 1 2 | 4 2 | 91.83 4 | 88.38 9
7 Florida A = 89.84 11 2 78.38( 4) 3 1 | 5 2 | 90.46 7 | 88.97 7
8 Kansas State A = 88.98 11 2 76.21( 14) 0 1 | 3 2 | 87.93 11 | 89.82 6
9 Stanford A = 87.85 12 2 75.82( 22) 1 1 | 4 1 | 88.62 9 | 86.86 11
10 LSU A = 87.63 10 3 76.15( 15) 2 2 | 3 3 | 88.59 10 | 86.47 12
Ishmael-Ag10:21a

The SEC has six of the top ten teams. The Big 12 has one.

Folks like myself and Coolbeans said that Ole Miss was good, regardless of the mediocre record - lo and behold, they dominated a Pitt team that took Notre Dame to overtime.

I'm not expecting anyone to own up to being wrong all season, or to throwing bombs on behalf of their agendas. Go ahead and say whatever you like. We'll see you next year.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

The SEC has six of the top ten teams. The Big 12 has one.

And the ACC has half of a team, if you round up and include a team that intends to join (ND).

The really sad part is that the ACC teams being talked about the most (ND, Louisville and Pitt, for taking ND to 3 OTs) are the schools that aren't yet in the conference.

Grumpicus wrote:

To my Aggie friends and cohorts, any help you can provide me getting tickets for 9/14 would be greatly appreciated.

It's going to be impossible for a reasonable price. I heard seats were already going for around $900

Maybe I'll luck out and snag some free tickets from the A&M engineering prof my boss is related to. It worked for the Florida game this year. #KeepHopeAlive

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Is it time yet?

Folks like myself and Coolbeans said that Ole Miss was good, regardless of the mediocre record - lo and behold, they dominated a Pitt team that took Notre Dame to overtime.

I'm not expecting anyone to own up to being wrong all season, or to throwing bombs on behalf of their agendas. Go ahead and say whatever you like. We'll see you next year.

I'm not going to argue that the SEC was or wasn't good and Alabama clearly is the best team in the land, but its the Ole Miss statement that to me is the root of the issues that the rest of us have. When the rest of the country applies transitive properties it is seen as flashes in the pan... for the SEC it shows the strength of its mediocre teams. Cal dominated a UCLA team that lost to stanfurd by 3 points.. the same stanfurd team that should have beat ND, and beat Oregon. Look how awesome Cal is (Sagarin in fact confirms that Cal is the best 3-9 team in the country )I make a statement like that and I am (rightfully) called a fool by the non-Cal fans out there. For SEC fans, when Ole Miss beats a team that almost beat a team that almost beat a team, its "see I told you how good 7-6 in the SEC is".

The Sagarin predictor ratings have (3-9) Cal with a 1 point edge over SEC's (3-9) Auburn. The SEC 7-6 Ole Miss is 1 point edge over 7-6 USC, and no one is mistaking USC for being a good team this year, despite the preseason hype. The SEC is top heavy.. that is for sure... the middle/bottom of the SEC is the same as the middle/bottom of any other AQ conference. If anything, A&M moving into the SEC this year clearly shows that "if you put xxx into the SEC you will lose" simply isn't a true statement. Maybe the SEC isn't as good, if a team from the lowly Big-12 can move in and beat the top SEC team in only 1 year?

Haha did anyone read the piece about Katherine Webb, mccarrons gf? She now has more twitter followers the him. The funny part is Darnell dockett from Arizona was trying to dm her his number and a "let's meet after the game" but sent it out public instead!

Mccarron's responded after the game to him "#betterkeepdreaming like the rest of these dudes"

When can the pointless conference dick waving end? Is it now?

boogle wrote:

When can the pointless conference dick waving end? Is it now?

We will all stop when the SEC does the same

Grump - I'll ask around, but there's not really anything to do until season tickets come out. Any chance you can dig up your post where you said you thought you'd become a bit of a Texas fan, but identified with the Aggies more? If I show that around, Aggies will eat it up and ask for seconds. One of them might even have an extra ticket!

Carl - I knew the Ole Miss part was going to be cherry-picked. :Lol: Maybe "good" is overdoing it, but they're not bad. So leave that aside. The SEC is clearly better than the Big 12.

As please, this stuff about A&M being a Big 12 team in the SEC is tired. By the way, the Big 12 had a losing bowl record this year. The only major conference with a worse bowl record was the Big 10, with a dismal 2-5.

I think the Ole Miss result means that 6-6 SEC team was better than a 6-6 team from the Big East that week. As it should be!

firesloth wrote:

I think the Ole Miss result means that 6-6 SEC team was better than a 6-6 team from the Big East that week. As it should be!

Yeah but an 11-2 team from the Big East is better than an 11-2 team from the SEC, going by bowl results.

The real point, as always, is that we need playoffs just like every other sport because almost anybody can beat almost anybody else on any given day.

I couldn't agree more about needing playoffs, and playoffs of at least 8 teams. Let's review how close Alabama - who dominated in last night's game - was to not being in the game at all.

If Kansas State had simply managed to beat Baylor (4-5 in conference), they would have been in the game instead - and without the need to play an additional difficult game in the form of a conference championship.

If Oregon had managed to beat Stanford instead of losing by 3 points in overtime, they would have been there instead.

Etc. etc.

It now looks like the one team about which there was no argument (thanks to going undefeated) was the team that clearly did not belong.

Another example: Ohio State went undefeated, and if not for sanctions, would have faced Notre Dame. And for all the talk about the importance of conference records (and realizing I referenced one above), let's remember the Big 10 just went 2-5 in bowls - so maybe undefeated in the Big 10 isn't as impressive as we thought.

So we need at least an 8-team playoff. I also think any conference that wants to be taken seriously needs a championship game. And if Notre Dame wants to be involved in the playoffs, I think they should have to join a conference and not hand-pick their schedule, nor escape a conference championship game.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

let's remember the Big 10 just went 2-5 in bowls - so maybe undefeated in the Big 10 isn't as impressive as we thought.

Yeah, that had nothing to do with most of the teams playing in games two slots ahead of where they should have been because the two top teams in the conference were ineligible. Not to mention that the conferences bowl affiliations are incredibly stupid. Three games against SEC teams in Florida, two games against the Big 12 in Texas and a game against the Pac 12 in California.

Ohio State isn't as good as a 12-0 record would imply but the bowl record has nothing to do with it.

Aggies can identify with being slotted higher than they should and facing a hell f a challenge in bowls, for what it's worth.

Stele wrote:

Is it too early for next year's pre-season rankings?

I was finding most of that reasonable until the Longhorns showed up at 11.

Also, 2013 with no playoffs is scary right now. Suppose Oregon and Ohio State go undefeated, and Alabama has one loss. Or suppose Oklahoma State puts it together and goes undefeated with no conference championship game?

Or closer to home, suppose Teddy Bridgewater and the Cardinals lose at Kentucky (humor me here, Mark Stoops comes out of the gates hot) but go undefeated the rest of the way.

We need the powers that be to move the playoffs up to 2013. And then make it 8 teams in 2014.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Or closer to home, suppose Teddy Bridgewater and the Cardinals lose at Kentucky (humor me here, Mark Stoops comes out of the gates hot) but go undefeated the rest of the way.

:p

More likely scenario? Petrino comes out hot at WKU and beats UK in the season opener.

Remember that UK hides the UL-UK game in week 3 when they host it, so as to try to avoid a national TV loss.

It's easy to say that's more likely when WKU already beat Kentucky THIS year!

By the way, WKU gave up fewer points to Alabama than Notre Dame did. Final score? 35-0. Last night it was 35-0 in the third quarter.

Being as I'm on a 6 hour time difference to EST, I went on a complete media blackout until I got to watch the game after work today.

Holy crap! I didn't expect 35-0 at one point! Announcer comments such as "Nightmare", "Good old fashioned butt kicking", "Sorry, Oregon can't make it in time for the second half", and "if this was a prize fight, they'd call it off" sum it up perfectly.

You know it's bad when your own coach, at halftime, says "maybe if Alabama doesn't come back in the second half" (we could get back into this), followed by the announcer later saying "unfortunately for ND, Alabama came back out".

It might have been different had the refs reviewed the supposedly juggled ball (by ND in the 1st quarter) and made the (clearly) right call of a completed catch, giving ND some momentum. Considering how everything else went for ND, it probably wouldn't have changed too much, though. ND's 3rd and 16 play that eventually led to a TD wasn't a catch in my opinion, but I didn't mind, as it was a bit of (much too late) justice.

Not sure what to think about the interference call on the punt. In the replay it seemed like the Bama player was actually pushing the ND player (who didn't touch the returner) away as best he could until the last moment, otherwise there might have even been contact. The proximity of the ND player at the time of the catch, plus the slightly late fair catch signal combine into a situation that I'm not willing to judge the refs for.

I thought an Alabama win would be "tainted" by these highly suspect calls early on, but considering the overall dominance, it didn't seem to matter much.

EDIT: a few grammar issues.

We need the powers that be to move the playoffs up to 2013. And then make it 8 teams in 2014.

Unfortunately, those f*cking idiots signed a 7 year deal to do the 4 team conference playoff.

karmajay wrote:
We need the powers that be to move the playoffs up to 2013. And then make it 8 teams in 2014.

Unfortunately, those f*cking idiots signed a 7 year deal to do the 4 team conference playoff. :(

No deal is unbreakable. They could agree to bump it to 8. More money, easy decision.

Just bringing this full circle...

DSGamer wrote:

I would just like to start by congratulating the SEC on another championship. We thought for sure that Oregon or Boise State should have gotten a crack, but now we know better. See you in 2013.

Thanks!