The Big Gun Control Thread

The way I see it, look, I'm here now and I've called the cops, just go ahead and leave and insurance will replace what you took. Its like a gentlemen's agreement.

Is this the part where I get to say the police are under no duty to respond?

KingGorilla wrote:

Is this the part where I get to say the police are under no duty to respond?

Come on. Please don't act like it common for the police not to respond to a 911 call, especially if it's the middle of the night saying someone is actively trying to break into your house. I've lived in some seriously questionable neighborhoods in my life and there's never been a case when cops haven't shown up when they were called.

You forget sir, that I hail from Detroit.

Touché, kind sir. Point goes to KingGorilla.

OG, I do not fear that the police will not respond to my call. Yet in the metro area we have 3 cities currently operating without local police, with a 4th soon to follow(Pontiac Michigan, where the Lions used to play). These three areas contribute to most of the crime attributed to the city of Detroit as the city and then county had to cover the gaps. And in these areas, and I imagine there are similar areas in St. Louis, DC, LA, etc. the police rarely tread and call times are very long. To pretend that there are not serious holes on our police net is not practical.

Don't get me wrong. I've lived within walking distance of Compton for more than a decade now and know that there are neighborhoods with questionable police coverage. However, I've never known cops to not to show up when called.

My issue is that people in nice neighborhoods cite the "cops aren't under any duty to respond" argument to justify gun ownership when the closest they've actually come to crime is hearing about on their local news.

Well that extends beyond guns and into vaccinations, education, birth control, planned parenthood, medical care, etc. Or as we like to say when white people run out of problems, they will make up new ones.

KingGorilla wrote:

Or as we like to say when white people run out of problems, they will make up new ones.

First world problems, as they say.

ruhk wrote:
KingGorilla wrote:

Or as we like to say when white people run out of problems, they will make up new ones.

First world problems, as they say.

I needs an iBone. It maims wirelessly, man. Wirelessly.

KingGorilla wrote:

Well that extends beyond guns and into vaccinations, education, birth control, planned parenthood, medical care, etc. Or as we like to say when white people run out of problems, they will make up new ones.

Pretty much.

It always cracks me up when I see white folks in Howard or Montgomery County talking about how they need guns for "home defense". You freaking live in the safest neighborhoods in the safest time in world history AND you're white. You have a better chance of getting struck by a meteor in the middle of an earthquake.

Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

I have long been a rabid proponent of gun ownership but this violence just needs to stop. Simply crafting new laws won't fix the problem but there has to be something that can be done to stop things like this.

Reaper81 wrote:
goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

I have long been a rabid proponent of gun ownership but this violence just needs to stop. Simply crafting new laws won't fix the problem but there has to be something that can be done to stop things like this.

New gun laws are the fix. Plus the money to enforce those laws. You cannot trust the laws as they are now for something like this not to happen.

To be clear, there are so many firearms out there that new laws alone won't be sufficient. But yes, I agree they are needed.

goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

Yeah, that's definitely the answer. Let's not address the actual problem that we can't control access, lets just arm the entire f*cking country.

This kind of absurd, ass backward gun rights logic is how we got to this place in the first place.

goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

Question: has a citizen with a gun ever stopped one of these shootings from happening? Like, ever?

edosan wrote:
goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

Question: has a citizen with a gun ever stopped one of these shootings from happening? Like, ever?

Not that I am aware of. IIRC, a couple of armed citizens almost killed each other(thinking the other was the shooter) at the Giffords shooting a couple of years ago.

Jesus. I posted that before the news about Connecticut went down.

Let me just add...we're now living a in society where our schools now have "lockdown" polices because we're failing miserably as a society to protect them.

At what point does my, my children's or any victims right to not get shot outweigh your right to own a gun?

It's questionable whether or not a teacher with a gun could have stopped this. Early reports indicate the shooter had body armor.

As I type this, I'm listening to the drone of news helicopters covering this tragedy. It hit a little close to home, quite literally.

31 U.S. school shootings since Columbine. School shootings in every other country in the world combined since that time: 14.

Kraint wrote:
edosan wrote:
goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

Question: has a citizen with a gun ever stopped one of these shootings from happening? Like, ever?

Not that I am aware of. IIRC, a couple of armed citizens almost killed each other(thinking the other was the shooter) at the Giffords shooting a couple of years ago.

It seems to me that if someone had, the NRA would have commercials on TV every fifteen minutes talking about it.

goman wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:
goman wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

Arise - can someone tell me why this is a good idea?
State House passes bill allowing concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, stadiums, churches

If only a teacher in CT was carrying a loaded gun today...

I have long been a rabid proponent of gun ownership but this violence just needs to stop. Simply crafting new laws won't fix the problem but there has to be something that can be done to stop things like this.

New gun laws are the fix. Plus the money to enforce those laws. You cannot trust the laws as they are now for something like this not to happen.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that no law will prevent things like today's tragedy from ever happening. I'm not opposed to trying laws, but I suspect that the very existence of gun ownership is just going to come with this occasional cost, forever and ever. Even if 99.9% of gun owners are perfectly safe, there will always be someone who slips through the cracks, and I don't think we will ever reliably be able to detect those people in time to prevent tragedies from occurring.

Bear wrote:

31 U.S. school shootings since Columbine. School shootings in every other country in the world combined since that time: 14.

We're number one?

I grew up in CT, I have a kid in an elementary school. This whole situation makes me so angry and sad and hopeless for our country and our species... I'm not sure any laws we put in place going forward would do any good in these situations, so maybe discussion of this tragedy should be in its own thread?

If this doesn't spur people into coming up with more restrictive gun control laws we're all doomed. Giving out more guns in the hope that someone will be at the right place, at the right time, and have good aim, is absolutely wrong and doesn't address anything. Of course I'm sure that's what is going to happen... Welcome to the humanities downward slope...

I need to go play with a puppy or something. This is just horrible.

Bolded the troubling part. What on Earth is wrong with people? They are saying 18 children dead, 26 total dead...