Walking Dead (No Comics! No Spoilers Beyond What's Aired)!

Gaald wrote:

So either they dug empty graves to represent both of them, even though they had no bodies, or they buried them and didn't show them move the bodies over! The later would just be poor story telling as far as I am concerned. As of right now I am just confused!

The timeline as I make it out is:

  • Maggie performs the c-section on Lori and Carl shoots her in the head to prevent her from reanimating.
  • Carl, Maggie, and baby Grimes exit the prison
  • Rick rushes into the prison to search for Lori
  • Maggie & Daryl go off in search of formula
  • Glenn goes into the prison and finds Rick still searching for Lori
  • Rick finds the room Lori died in (blood & knife as evidence he had the right room). Finds a zombie that has presumably eaten Lori (whether it was bones and all or they just didn't want to (or weren't allowed to) show what was left of her).
  • Glenn digs a grave, tells the former prisoners to dig the other two
  • Maggie & Daryl come back with the formula, they get the baby fed, then (presumably, all we see is Daryl putting a flower on Carol's grave) have some sort of ceremony where they fill in two empty graves, possibly three (it's not shown if they actually bury T-dog's body, so all three graves could be empty).
  • Rick is still in the room with the fat zombie until the phone rings, meaning no one has moved Lori's remains to her grave (I'm pretty sure Rick wouldn't have let them if they tried).
Gaald wrote:

Oh god I am so tempted to hit that spoiler, but I won't! thanks for using the spoiler tag. :)

I'm middle of the road on spoilers. I'd like to avoid them, but I'm not an at all costs sort.

I don't see that spoiler ruining it for anybody. In fact, I don't foresee them even addressing the issue much in future episodes.

It seems to me like, once someone's gone, they're out. The other cop (was it shane) was a major character, more so than Lori, and he's hardly even been mentioned. His legacy is in Rick's personality. I expect this will be the same.

What struck me about Rick stabbing the bloated (very pregnant looking) belly was that he was symbolically attacking the baby, which may or may not be his, that killed his wife. I assumed it was the zombie that ate Lori, but that's not why he was stabbing it like that. What an excellent meltdown.

I personally think Carol is alive. She's trapped somewhere - and maybe she's found a phone with a phone list that she's been dialing repeatedly. That's my hope! Foreshadowing provided by the Cherokee Rose that Daryl put on her grave, which he used to encourage Carol that Sophie was alive.

Can't wait to see what happens with Michonne, I'm expecting some good action there - releasing the zombies on her? I have to admit, I'm much more interested in Carol's fate, and really hoping to see her again. Let me clarify that, see her again, ALIVE!

Mere Anarchy wrote:
SillyRabbit wrote:

What struck me about Rick stabbing the bloated (very pregnant looking) belly was that he was symbolically attacking the baby, which may or may not be his, that killed his wife. I assumed it was the zombie that ate Lori, but that's not why he was stabbing it like that. What an excellent meltdown.

That's what my wife says, too. There are too many holes in the scene for that zombie to have eaten Lori. Even if you don't consider the bones, that's a lot of person to go into one belly. I also like symbolic stabbing theory because it suggests that zombie Lori has wandered off.

That he was symbolically attacking the baby never entered my mind, but that may be the comic version of events coloring my thoughts, not to mention that he was stabbing rather high on the zombie's belly. I was thinking he ran to find her body so that he could see for himself that she's really dead (hadn't reanimated) and/or to cry over her corpse and was furious he couldn't even do that. It does make a certain amount of sense, considering they're all but certain it's Shane's baby and not his, and he's probably also pissed that Carl had to kill his own mother.
I don't buy that Lori's a zombie, in part because I want Carl to have grown up enough to stop lying/hiding really important information like that (since it'd be similar to how he was indirectly responsible for Dale's death).

Why is no one speculating on the phone? Who's on the phone?!

My theory: No one. Rick has completely lost it. He's going to tell the group he spoke to someone important and is going to freak the rest of the group out.

My son's theory: It's the guy who saved Rick in the beginning of the first season that we never saw again. But he's wanted that character to come back since day one.

I'm absolutely loving this season so far. So so many great moments. I really like the Governor as a villain. I really appreciate well-written, complicated villains with their own motivations as opposed to the mustache-twirling villains who are just evil for the sake of being evil.

PaladinTom wrote:

Why is no one speculating on the phone? Who's on the phone?!

My theory: No one. Rick has completely lost it. He's going to tell the group he spoke to someone important and is going to freak the rest of the group out.

My son's theory: It's the guy who saved Rick in the beginning of the first season that we never saw again. But he's wanted that character to come back since day one.

I'm absolutely loving this season so far. So so many great moments. I really like the Governor as a villain. I really appreciate well-written, complicated villains with their own motivations as opposed to the mustache-twirling villains who are just evil for the sake of being evil.

I agree with your theory. There is no way that phone is actually ringing; Rick has gone off the deep end.

SillyRabbit wrote:

What struck me about Rick stabbing the bloated (very pregnant looking) belly was that he was symbolically attacking the baby, which may or may not be his, that killed his wife. I assumed it was the zombie that ate Lori, but that's not why he was stabbing it like that. What an excellent meltdown.

That's what my wife says, too. There are too many holes in the scene for that zombie to have eaten Lori. Even if you don't consider the bones, that's a lot of person to go into one belly. I also like the symbolic stabbing theory because it suggests that zombie Lori has wandered off.

Edit: missing article.

Phones require power.

I totally forgot about the guy who stayed back to put down his wife's zombie.

I want that guy back too.

What if Carl couldn't shoot Lori, AND, she didn't die. Hey, it's fiction. Medical science, and real world probability don't have to apply.

The rules of this thread prevent me from commenting on the phone.

Ghostship wrote:

What if Carl couldn't shoot Lori, AND, she didn't die. Hey, it's fiction. Medical science, and real world probability don't have to apply.

There was a giant streak of blood going from where Lori was laying to the fat zombie. Lori's dead, and at least partially in it's belly.

Ghostship wrote:

Phones require power.

Modern phones do. Old Land-line phones, like the one Rick found, operate off the current in the phone lines.

But I still think Rick is nuts and just imagining it.

ruhk wrote:
Ghostship wrote:

Phones require power.

Modern phones do. Old Land-line phones, like the one Rick found, operate off the current in the phone lines.

But I still think Rick is nuts and just imagining it.

Yes old phones run off their own current, which means they would need a power source. Which means they shouldn't work, unless someone was able to power all the land lines in the prison. Which is probably not the easiest thing to do. I think Rick is going bonkers.

Gaald wrote:

Yes old phones run off their own current, which means they would need a power source. Which means they shouldn't work, unless someone was able to power all the land lines in the prison. Which is probably not the easiest thing to do. I think Rick is going bonkers.

Like power from, say, a nearby town with it's own functioning power grid?

But yeah, like I said earlier, Rick has lost it.

That's what I thought.

Since Lori's death everything has gone crazy. The performances of the actors in the prison have been astonishing. My favorite thing that has ever happened on this show was how Maggie seemed so paralyzed from everything that had just happened that she couldn't vocalize anything coherent when Rick first saw her.

Carl has obviously put up an emotional wall to try and deal with the psychological trauma he's just had. Carl can either end up coming to terms with what has happened or it could become something very dangerous for everyone around him. I don't know if Carl has matured enough to be able to shoot his mother and not go off the deep end at some point. If he didn't shoot Lori I'm sure it will come back to haunt him.

Rick has seriously lost it. I loved how he almost refused to acknowledge Lori's death when Maggie and Carl came outside. When he turned to Carl and said "Oh no," it seemed like the last shred of his sanity/humanity because soon after he picks up his axe and goes on a rampage. I wonder who or what will bring him back, or send him spiraling further towards destruction.

As far as the phone goes. It could be Rick going completely insane, or there is still some power to the prison since the alarms went off. If there is someone on the other end of that phone I hope it is someone we've never seen before.

I'm honestly not too interested in the Andrea and Michonne story. I like Andrea just fine and I hope she doesn't come to resent the rest of the group because of the incident at the farm.

Lastly, I don't think there have been any spoilers in The Talking Dead. There could be some spoilers but I've never really noticed any. Chris Hardwick doesn't watch the show ahead of time because he doesn't want to see it before we get to. Also he regularly talks about not wanting things to be spoiled for him, which sometimes does happen when he visits the set.

Gimpy_Butzke wrote:

Lastly, I don't think there have been any spoilers in The Talking Dead. There could be some spoilers but I've never really noticed any. Chris Hardwick doesn't watch the show ahead of time because he doesn't want to see it before we get to. Also he regularly talks about not wanting things to be spoiled for him, which sometimes does happen when he visits the set.

Nope, there was no spoilers. I know we don't mention the comic here, but I'll just say while I do want it to follow what happened, I also don't. BTW - I LOVE the Talking Dead. Lots of friends who watch the show don't stick around to watch it afterwards and I keep telling them how much they are missing. Even if nothing else, watching the tribute to all we have lost is awesome.

Spoiler:

Dear Talking Dead Asshat.

Thanks for spoiling the twist about the phone calls during your first commercial break promo. f*ck Twitter and f*ck You.

Smooches,
Me

GioClark wrote:
Spoiler:

Dear Talking Dead Asshat.

Thanks for spoiling the twist about the phone calls during your first commercial break promo. f*ck Twitter and f*ck You.

Smooches,
Me

And that is why I avoid watching or reading any of that sh*t like the plague. It sucks you weren't able to avoid it.

I thankfully had nothing spoiled, and I really enjoyed the episode.

Michonne has turned a corner for me. She's great, the fact that she obviously trusts walkers more then humans makes me smile. Walkers are easy to figure out, they just want to eat your flesh. It's Humans that can't be trusted!

I do have to admit there were some real forced plot moments, for example skipping over the "weak zombies in the cell" to check out the rest of the area. Could they have been any more obvious! Because you know putting yourself in a position where a zombie can flank you, is always a great plan! It wasn't enough to ruin the episode but man did that play out poorly.

GioClark wrote:
Spoiler:

Dear Talking Dead Asshat.

Thanks for spoiling the twist about the phone calls during your first commercial break promo. f*ck Twitter and f*ck You.

Smooches,
Me

If you couldn't figure out the twist as by the end of the episode then I don't know what to tell you.

Dr.Ghastly wrote:

If you couldn't figure out the twist as by the end of the episode then I don't know what to tell you.

The spoiler I'm referring to happened during the first commercial break about 10-15 min in. They were promoting some real time Twitter activity during the episode to discuss the phone calls. Between the hashtag and him calling out 'Rick's deteriorating mental state', that was enough.

GioClark wrote:
Dr.Ghastly wrote:

If you couldn't figure out the twist as by the end of the episode then I don't know what to tell you.

The spoiler I'm referring to happened during the first commercial break about 10-15 min in. They were promoting some real time Twitter activity during the episode to discuss the phone calls. Between the hashtag and him calling out 'Rick's deteriorating mental state', that was enough.

You mean during the walking dead, not talking dead? Yeah that's a bit different.

This episode made me feel like they need to be longer.

A week is a long time. On Netflix, you don't have to wait. RE seasons 1&2.

I'm not surprised Carol is alive, but I was very anxious about it and am glad to finally have found her. Now I'm worried about Glen and Maggie. This show sucks. I love it.

That's right people! When you're covered in zombie guts, zombies don't notice you! Weird how everyone forgot that after one episode.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

That's right people! When you're covered in zombie guts, zombies don't notice you! Weird how everyone forgot that after one episode.

Yeah, especially when it's been referenced more than once by multiple characters.

SillyRabbit wrote:

I'm not surprised Carol is alive, but I was very anxious about it and am glad to finally have found her. Now I'm worried about Glen and Maggie. This show sucks. I love it.

I honestly might stop watching if/when Glen or Maggie die.

I was waiting for the two storylines to meet, and bam! There it was. I'm so anxious to see what happens to Maggie and Glen, especially, since I've been a fan of Glen since the first season. Pretty much expected Carol to survive as well, so seeing Daryl find and carry her out was a big "yeah!!" moment for me.
Wasn't a big fan of the whole phone ringing thing, but I get why they did that.
One thing that puzzles me, however, is how little attention has been given to the baby so far. All we know is that it's a girl, and if I'm not mistaken, she wasn't been named yet.
Definitely looking forward to the next episode!

Quintin_Stone wrote:

That's right people! When you're covered in zombie guts, zombies don't notice you! Weird how everyone forgot that after one episode.

It's probably less a matter of people forgetting as it is that you have to be covered in rotting flesh and guts for it to help. Most of the time, they can just avoid zombies - but I would have used it to clear the prison.

Not to mention that in a world where running water is a dim memory, well... It's kinda disgusting. ^_^

I'm a little confused why the governor sent his men after Michonne. She is no longer a threat to his group and there doesn't seem to be a good risk reward as there was with the soldiers (ie getting heavy weaponry). Did he want her sword that bad, or did he feel jealous of Michonne's relationship with Andrea.

She clearly knew that the Governor was up to something, and the Governor could tell that she didn't trust him. From his point of view, if she found a larger or better armed community she might decide to return in force and either expose or depose him.

Ya, I think it had more to do with her knowing the location of Woodbury and how that information might hurt his group.