NFL 2012 Week 11 Thread

I'm baffled at the decision now to keep Andy Reid through the year.. especially after yesterday's debacle..where you are running McCoy with less than 2 min. left down by 25 points which results in a concussion... and the coach defends the decision as "trying to win the game" you have clearly stopped being a valid head coach and instead are simply coaching to avoid potential criticism of your gameplan. Since the coaching staff is constantly under fire around McCoy's carries the consensus on the street (and the evidence is damning) was that the staff was trying to pad McCoy's carries to deflect Media criticism....

Alex Smith fails to get medical clearance, out for tonight's game.

Are you ready for Kaepernick Night Football? Aww yeah.

*Legion* wrote:

Alex Smith fails to get medical clearance, out for tonight's game.

Are you ready for Kaepernick Night Football? Aww yeah.

Jason Campbell is still in for the Bears, right?

Fedaykin98 wrote:

Hope everyone's being friendly in Houston, Legion. I have to think none of them expected to be tied at the half like this!

Everyone around me was perfectly fine. I didn't get anything beyond a turned head to see who was this person screaming for Blackmon as he broke free and scampered the field length.

I cheered for the Jags all game and nobody bothered me.

*Legion* wrote:

Alex Smith fails to get medical clearance, out for tonight's game.

Are you ready for Kaepernick Night Football? Aww yeah.

Yes! Kaepernick era starts NOW.

A shame they didn't announce that yesterday, as I could have played Colin in one of my fantasy leagues.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Alex Smith fails to get medical clearance, out for tonight's game.

Are you ready for Kaepernick Night Football? Aww yeah.

Jason Campbell is still in for the Bears, right?

In yet another example of the pointless crap that fills my head for no good reason, I recall another SF-Chicago game with backup QBs stinking up the joint. Ken Dorsey! Craig Krenzel! Round two!

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

In yet another example of the pointless crap that fills my head for no good reason, I recall another SF-Chicago game with backup QBs stinking up the joint. Ken Dorsey! Craig Krenzel! Round two!

Ken Dorsey was an inspiration to quarterbacks with pre-teen girl physiques everywhere.

This Monday night QB situation has me wondering. Are there any competent back-up QB's in the NFL right now?

S0LIDARITY wrote:

This Monday night QB situation has me wondering. Are there any competent back-up QB's in the NFL right now?

Kaepernick could start for half the teams in the league, including the one he's starting for tonight.

S0LIDARITY wrote:

This Monday night QB situation has me wondering. Are there any competent back-up QB's in the NFL right now?

Sure. Jason Campbell is competent, for one. Shaun Hill, Kyle Orton, Dan Orlovsky (he played well last year as a starter, happy to have him in Tampa as a backup). Kaepernick is probably competent, as is Matt Flynn. Bruce Gradkowski (just threw up in my mouth a little). TJ Yates, David Carr? Wouldn't want either starting, but backups? Sure, competent.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Does the coin flip matter much anymore?

Hell yeah it does. Carolina has not won a single coin flip all season. (True fact; you can look it up.)

Had Carolina won the OT coin flip, the result might (as in maybe; certainly not definitely or even probably) have been different. TB had just pushed the Panthers D down the field twice in the last four minutes of the game. Once TB got the ball to start OT, it was pretty much academic at that point.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I like the new system.

Of course you do. /grumble

Enix wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Does the coin flip matter much anymore?

Hell yeah it does. Carolina has not won a single coin flip all season. (True fact; you can look it up.)

Had Carolina won the OT coin flip, the result might (as in maybe; certainly not definitely or even probably) have been different. TB had just pushed the Panthers D down the field twice in the last four minutes of the game. Once TB got the ball to start OT, it was pretty much academic at that point.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I like the new system.

Of course you do. /grumble

Have you people set Ron Rivera on fire yet? Twice this year, he's faced a late 4th and 1. If they go for it and convert in both those games, they run the clock out and win. In both cases, he punted, and the Panthers lost. Seriously, the guy was coaching with both hands firmly wrapped around his neck yesterday. Are you honestly telling me you've had two opportunities for your ridiculously strong, effective-running QB to sneak it a yard, and you passed on it both times?

Also, thoroughly pointless thing I noted--for the OT coin flip yesterday, Tampa sent out their long snapper. Uh . . . I guess everybody else was busy? Is the coin flip the equivalent of "I'm bored, anybody need some coffee?"

I was thinking competent to fill in long-term* as a starter. My expectations for Detroit with Hill, Dallas with Orton, Indy with Stanton wouldn't drop much. I'm not sold on Flynn because of the way he lost his starting job in the pre-season. I still remember Orlovsky leading the 0-16 Lions and the 2-14 Colts. Gradkowski has been fine in Cincy. I don't think Yates or Carr bring much to the table.

I'd feel better about watching Kaepernick tonight if his first start wasn't against the Bears. I feel like Campbell hasn't been put in a good situation to succeed yet.

EDIT: to finish the season or play one's way into a starting role.

S0LIDARITY wrote:

I was thinking competent to fill in long-term* as a starter. My expectations for Detroit with Hill, Dallas with Orton, Indy with Stanton wouldn't drop much. I'm not sold on Flynn because of the way he lost his starting job in the pre-season. I still remember Orlovsky leading the 0-16 Lions and the 2-14 Colts. Gradkowski has been fine in Cincy. I don't think Yates or Carr bring much to the table.

I'd feel better about watching Kaepernick tonight if his first start wasn't against the Bears. I feel like Campbell hasn't been put in a good situation to succeed yet.

EDIT: to finish the season or play one's way into a starting role.

Well, the salary cap pretty much assumes you're incapable of having two starting-quality QBs on your team; you only have so many dollars to go around. It just can't happen anymore. You typically have the starter, a veteran backup, and, if you've got room, some young developmental guy who might turn out (like Romo). Campbell's big problem is he checks the ball down instantly. It's one of the reasons he has a high completion rate and low interceptions, but he really doesn't push the ball down the field at all. It's a recipe for disaster with a . . . volatile guy like Brandon Marshall on the team. The possibilities for a blowup could be very entertaining.

As for Orlovsky, I watched a bunch of Colts late last year just to see if they'd go 0-16, and was surprised how well he played. That team was dead in the water and playing awful, and he really did do pretty well. I'm utterly OK with him backing up my team.

*Legion* wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Hope everyone's being friendly in Houston, Legion. I have to think none of them expected to be tied at the half like this!

Everyone around me was perfectly fine. I didn't get anything beyond a turned head to see who was this person screaming for Blackmon as he broke free and scampered the field length.

I cheered for the Jags all game and nobody bothered me.

Cool. We're not known for being dicks or anything; we take our hospitality seriously.

ESPN's take on the game this morning was all about how Schaub passed for the second-most yards ever, which is great, but we barely won! He threw multiple picks that nearly killed us! You could even argue that some of the turnovers extended the game (the one in OT clearly did) and enabled him to have such inflated passing stats.

It's funny how there are guys that a fanbase loves, and guys that you know will just never get to that status. Schaub is a guy Houstonians will like and be generally happy with, but never love and embrace. Mario Williams was even lower on the totem pole than him. I can name a dozen role-players that people like more than Schaub. Seems like a good guy, though.

On the other hand, Andre and JJ can do no wrong, to name two.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
S0LIDARITY wrote:

This Monday night QB situation has me wondering. Are there any competent back-up QB's in the NFL right now?

Sure. Jason Campbell is competent, for one. Shaun Hill, Kyle Orton, Dan Orlovsky (he played well last year as a starter, happy to have him in Tampa as a backup). Kaepernick is probably competent, as is Matt Flynn. Bruce Gradkowski (just threw up in my mouth a little). TJ Yates, David Carr? Wouldn't want either starting, but backups? Sure, competent.

Backups generally fall into two categories.

There's the veteran backup, someone who either started before (Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne) or has at least been a backup for a long time (the Billy Volek type of guy, Gradkowski's one of those).

Then there's the young developmental quarterback, which is guys like Kaepernick and Matt Flynn.

Usually, when you have a young starter, you sign the veteran backup. And when you have an established lock-in starter, you draft the developmental backup. Although it doesn't always work out that way, but that's a pattern you'll see often.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

As for Orlovsky, I watched a bunch of Colts late last year just to see if they'd go 0-16, and was surprised how well he played. That team was dead in the water and playing awful, and he really did do pretty well. I'm utterly OK with him backing up my team.

Orlovsky did play pretty well last year. It's just hard for me to shake off that record, although Curtis Painter thoroughly derailed that team before Orlovsky got the job.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

Hope everyone's being friendly in Houston, Legion. I have to think none of them expected to be tied at the half like this!

Everyone around me was perfectly fine. I didn't get anything beyond a turned head to see who was this person screaming for Blackmon as he broke free and scampered the field length.

I cheered for the Jags all game and nobody bothered me.

Cool. We're not known for being dicks or anything; we take our hospitality seriously.

ESPN's take on the game this morning was all about how Schaub passed for the second-most yards ever, which is great, but we barely won! He threw multiple picks that nearly killed us! You could even argue that some of the turnovers extended the game (the one in OT clearly did) and enabled him to have such inflated passing stats.

It's funny how there are guys that a fanbase loves, and guys that you know will just never get to that status. Schaub is a guy Houstonians will like and be generally happy with, but never love and embrace. Mario Williams was even lower on the totem pole than him. I can name a dozen role-players that people like more than Schaub. Seems like a good guy, though.

On the other hand, Andre and JJ can do no wrong, to name two.

Schaub is a second-tier quarterback who, sometimes, plays like a third-tier one.

He'll never, ever be first-tier. But when he's playing like a second-tier guy, he's more than enough for the Texans to win with.

*Legion* wrote:

Backups generally fall into two categories.

There's the veteran backup, someone who either started before (Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, Chad Henne) or has at least been a backup for a long time (the Billy Volek type of guy, Gradkowski's one of those).

Then there's the young developmental quarterback, which is guys like Kaepernick and Matt Flynn.

Usually, when you have a young starter, you sign the veteran backup. And when you have an established lock-in starter, you draft the developmental backup. Although it doesn't always work out that way, but that's a pattern you'll see often.

I think there's an addendum for the poorly managed team category. Jets with Sanchez and Tebow, Bills with Fitzpatrick and Thigpen, Chiefs with Cassell and Quinn, Cleveland with Weeden and McCoy.

S0LIDARITY wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

As for Orlovsky, I watched a bunch of Colts late last year just to see if they'd go 0-16, and was surprised how well he played. That team was dead in the water and playing awful, and he really did do pretty well. I'm utterly OK with him backing up my team.

Orlovsky did play pretty well last year. It's just hard for me to shake off that record, although Curtis Painter thoroughly derailed that team before Orlovsky got the job.

No kidding, Orlovsky is the QB who actually got them in the win column. Painter was, and is, a bad QB. Don't forget the Kerry Collins experiment!

garion333 wrote:

No kidding, Orlovsky is the QB who actually got them in the win column. Painter was, and is, a bad QB. Don't forget the Kerry Collins experiment!

I had forgotten the Kerry Collins experiment. Hopefully I'll forget it again soon.

S0LIDARITY wrote:
garion333 wrote:

No kidding, Orlovsky is the QB who actually got them in the win column. Painter was, and is, a bad QB. Don't forget the Kerry Collins experiment!

I had forgotten the Kerry Collins experiment. Hopefully I'll forget it again soon.

The Kerry Collins Experiment is my favorite jazz fusion group of all time.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Have you people set Ron Rivera on fire yet?

I'm not sure he'd burn. He might melt.

He's pretty much dead coach walking. The Charlotte reporters all seem to like him -- he's a nice guy, not a jerk, etc. But it's obvious he's in over his head.

Anyway, we need another good lottery pick. I think we're a bit short at running back.

lostlobster wrote:
S0LIDARITY wrote:
garion333 wrote:

No kidding, Orlovsky is the QB who actually got them in the win column. Painter was, and is, a bad QB. Don't forget the Kerry Collins experiment!

I had forgotten the Kerry Collins experiment. Hopefully I'll forget it again soon.

The Kerry Collins Experiment is my favorite jazz fusion group of all time.

It's more of a free-form jazz odyssey. An uh, exploration in front of a festival crowd.

S0LIDARITY wrote:
lostlobster wrote:
S0LIDARITY wrote:
garion333 wrote:

No kidding, Orlovsky is the QB who actually got them in the win column. Painter was, and is, a bad QB. Don't forget the Kerry Collins experiment!

I had forgotten the Kerry Collins experiment. Hopefully I'll forget it again soon.

The Kerry Collins Experiment is my favorite jazz fusion group of all time.

It's more of a free-form jazz odyssey. An uh, exploration in front of a festival crowd.

If I arranged the depth chart once, I arranged it a thousand times; Kerry Collins, backup, puppet show, third-string.

Tell me this isn't one of the best passes you ever done seen. Defender charging in your face, ball threaded between three defenders. Looks like Mike Williams was also open for the TD on the post route at the bottom.

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My favorite part about that article was how 'questionable' as an attribute of Blaine Gabbert was never attached to an injury condition.

Totally agree with your Schaub take, Legion.

If the niners win tonight I am 5-0 back to back weeks!

Add in the fact that my skins destroyed the eagles and all is right with the world. *knocks on wood*