Windows 8

How do you search the store?

ClockworkHouse wrote:

How do you search the store?

Mouse to top right, click search.

ubrakto wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
ubrakto wrote:

Stuff about relocating the apps storage folder...

Sounds like a simple junction link would do?

Not sure what that is or how to do it, but am hoping to find something the OS explicitly supports, like how you can tell it to move the various Users folders to a new location.

Junction links have been part of the OS since like NT so I'm not sure what could be more explicitly supported.

From dos: mklink /d "< source path >" "< target path >"

ibdoomed wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

How do you search the store?

Mouse to top right, click search.

I hadn't realized that the search icon there was sensitive to which app you're using. It does a Bing search if you're in IE and searches the store if that's where you are. Pretty nifty if a little counter-intuitive.

Note: I don't know why, but creating shortcuts and getting them to appear on the Start screen and in All Apps, is sometimes more difficult than it should be. I've noticed that new shortcuts or folders don't always appear until after a restart. Sometimes they will appear if I log-out, but not always.

Have you tried hitting f-5 (refresh)? A lot of times that works for icons or whole desktops that have disappeared in winXP.

sheared wrote:

That brings me to another thing. When I created the Outlook account, I used LastPass to generate a password. I figured I'd start trying to diversify to help prevent my accounts from being hacked. So I had to enter that stupid unmemorable phrase in half a dozen time while working with Metro for the first time, but I could not alt-tab over to my browser to copy it and alt-tab back into the Metro interface that was requesting it, I had to reopen the program from within Metro after copying from desktop, because the metro program just disappears. It doesn't remain in the same state as I left it after alt-tabbing to the program on the desktop. So something that should have taken 2 steps to complete, became a 5 step process. They've done what many game makers have done -- they made an interface for another device all together, and then forced it onto the PC user. Thanks.

Try using Win+Tab, as the classic Desktop is merely one application within that list (which is also shown from the left corners). LastPass also has its own Windows 8 UI-Style app, and those applications remain open until you Alt+F4 them or restart.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
ibdoomed wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

How do you search the store?

Mouse to top right, click search.

I hadn't realized that the search icon there was sensitive to which app you're using. It does a Bing search if you're in IE and searches the store if that's where you are. Pretty nifty if a little counter-intuitive.

It's one of the features they demoed a lot to devs early on - the right side charms are (usually, if the app was written to make use of them) application specific. Sharing, search, settings, etc, all supposed to be context sensitive to the current app.

That's how it generally is in WP7, too. Although I believe they made changes in 7.5 to default to Bing in more situations.

BNice wrote:

A tip for that are upgrading and want some space back:

1. Press the Windows Key.
2. Start typing "Disk".
3. Open "Disk Cleanup".
4. Select the drive your OS is installed on.
5. Click "Cleanup System Files".
6. Check off system files you don't need anymore and delete them.

When you upgrade it keeps the install files and all the old OS files just in case. These files take up ~20 gigs. So if you need the space, this can clear a bunch up.

Tried this. Regained a whopping 39 megs!

Coolbeans wrote:
BNice wrote:

Disk Cleanup

Tried this. Regained a whopping 39 megs!

I couldn't take control of Windows.Old from TrustedInstaller so I could delete that folder, but I was able to use Disk Cleanup.

It was somewhat curious to see one of the things I could delete were leftover Windows installations files that were described as never to be used again. ~4GB worth, which is useful space on my 128GB SSD. These files were seperate from the ESD files used for Resetting or Restarting Windows. If they won't be used why weren't they deleted by the installer?!

General Crespin wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:
BNice wrote:

Disk Cleanup

Tried this. Regained a whopping 39 megs!

I couldn't take control of Windows.Old from TrustedInstaller so I could delete that folder, but I was able to use Disk Cleanup.

It was somewhat curious to see one of the things I could delete were leftover Windows installations files that were described as never to be used again. ~4GB worth, which is useful space on my 128GB SSD. These files were seperate from the ESD files used for Resetting or Restarting Windows. If they won't be used why weren't they deleted by the installer?!

I'll try that later, did it get rid of all windows.old? I usually take ownership, reset all the permissions, and then delete it which is lengthy and absurd.

ibdoomed wrote:
General Crespin wrote:
Coolbeans wrote:
BNice wrote:

Disk Cleanup

Tried this. Regained a whopping 39 megs!

I couldn't take control of Windows.Old from TrustedInstaller so I could delete that folder, but I was able to use Disk Cleanup.

It was somewhat curious to see one of the things I could delete were leftover Windows installations files that were described as never to be used again. ~4GB worth, which is useful space on my 128GB SSD. These files were seperate from the ESD files used for Resetting or Restarting Windows. If they won't be used why weren't they deleted by the installer?!

I'll try that later, did it get rid of all windows.old? I usually take ownership, reset all the permissions, and then delete it which is lengthy and absurd.

I used Disk Cleanup to specifically get rid of windows.old and then saw all the useless install files there as well.

Pro Tip...

Make sure your mobo's BIOS is flashed to the latest and greatest.. my Asus X79 at work was at an older "pre Windows 8" Bios and needed to be flashed twice before allowing a Windows 8 upgrade.. before it would stall and refuse to upgrade.

TheGameguru wrote:

Pro Tip...

Hmmm... I wonder if this might explain why my computer wasn't able to shut-down properly. To the Internet!!

Windows 8 defiantly does take advantage of BIOS that have been updated.. its doing some "caching" of sorts when it comes to device initialization to speed up boot times..

Probably because of the transition to UEFI.

Yeah I couldn't install W8/Svr12 until I updated the BIOS on my UEFI board, it would just stall at the fish in the CR.

I dunno how old the BIOS on my Portege Z83 is, but booting is blink-and-I-miss-it. It's nice.

I used the free Classic Shell tool from this link and it worked perfectly to skip the Metro start as well as give back a Start Button.. seems like a good deal if you hate Metro and Want a start button.

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

The only hate I remember from win95 was the installing from 25 floppies PITA. Otherwise it was all unicorns and rainbows, simultaneously, since we could now multitask. I remember dialing into two different BBS's at the same time to megachat.

Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

tboon wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

Progman.exe is still there at least up to xp. The other whine people had was the big blue window frames in xp, although the ability to change the frames to win95 style persists up to win7, although they seem to have ditched it in W8.

tboon wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

Hmm, I don't recall anything quite so drastic. Possibly it could not be heard over the excitement of Windows actually having a native TCP/IP stack.

*Legion* wrote:
tboon wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

Hmm, I don't recall anything quite so drastic. Possibly it could not be heard over the excitement of Windows actually having a native TCP/IP stack.

There were a lot of gamers on Usenet, as I remember it, screaming bloody murder that they would never give up DOS.

ubrakto wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
tboon wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

Hmm, I don't recall anything quite so drastic. Possibly it could not be heard over the excitement of Windows actually having a native TCP/IP stack.

There were a lot of gamers on Usenet, as I remember it, screaming bloody murder that they would never give up DOS.

That I remember vividly. All of the regular folks that just wanted to click on an icon were ruining the computer experience for everyone else. And look what it led to!

ubrakto wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
tboon wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

Am I correct in remembering that the Start Button in Windows 95 was hated as much as Metro when it was introduced in Windows 95?

You are correct. "Give me back my damn Program Manager!" Heard that a lot too, back in the day.

Hmm, I don't recall anything quite so drastic. Possibly it could not be heard over the excitement of Windows actually having a native TCP/IP stack.

There were a lot of gamers on Usenet, as I remember it, screaming bloody murder that they would never give up DOS.

Now that, I do remember. There were definitely issues with some DOS games running in the Win95 "DOS" environment.

Jayhawker wrote:

That I remember vividly. All of the regular folks that just wanted to click on an icon were ruining the computer experience for everyone else. And look what it led to!

Yeah, it led to Windows 8. The dorks were right!

*Legion* wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

That I remember vividly. All of the regular folks that just wanted to click on an icon were ruining the computer experience for everyone else. And look what it led to!

Yeah, it led to Windows 8. The dorks were right! :)

I remember a post somwhere years ago, that made reference to a guy's child asking him why he was always going to the "dark place" when he used the computer.

I also remember trying to edit autoexec files and stuff so that games would access sound cards and other options. I once screwed it up so that my computer automatically booted up to Quake when I turned it on. And as a dumb noob gamer, I had no idea how to get back to Windows.

Ever since then, that's what I think of when I hear about how the user should get more control over their PC. Most of us are way too dumb to have that kind of control.

Jayhawker wrote:

I once screwed it up so that my computer automatically booted up to Quake when I turned it on. And as a dumb noob gamer, I had no idea how to get back to Windows.

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing where the problem is here.