A personal announcement, emphatic thank-you, and cheers to Fedora.

SallyNasty wrote:

In a lot of states you get "grandfathered" into same sex marriage, even if they otherwise don't allow for it.

I couldn't help but laugh out loud at this, given how often the term is used to describe the unlimited data plans for smartphones. Are they going to throttle your marriage benefits if you go over the 3GB limit that newlyweds are stuck with?

pgroce wrote:

It really highlights how ridiculous it is to complicate marriage with gender at all, IMO.

Congrats, Clocky!

I love this community.

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ClockworkHouse wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

It's complicated. :)

Some conversation in IRC convinced me: call me "she". Even if it's not entirely accurate to how I present myself now, it'll (hopefully) be more accurate in the future and will give you all some time to adjust.

WOOT!

pgroce wrote:

Something else: How does the law work with "traditionally" married trans* individuals in states that don't recognize gay marriage? It seems like the continuum of options are: (1) doesn't recognize the transition, you're still married; (2) recognizes the transition, you can't be married anymore (WTF); (3) recognizes the transition, you're still married. As distressing as the notion of the second one is, all three seem awkward in their own way. It really highlights how ridiculous it is to complicate marriage with gender at all, IMO.

As SallyNasty said, it's basically 1 and 3 in all cases. There are constraints on who is allowed to [em]get[/em] married, but once you're married, you're married. The only way out is to dissolve the marriage, and that doesn't happen automatically. I imagine that it could be made to happen automatically, but that would require a new law to be passed to specifically account for that case, which seems unlikely.

I love this thread, it cheers me up every damn time I read it.

pgroce wrote:

It really highlights how ridiculous it is to complicate marriage with gender at all, IMO.

Big +1 to that. I'd like to think we're at a transition point in western society where we realise just how silly the whole hullabaloo around gender restricted marriages is.

Clockwork,

When I first started coming here regularly I started looking up to you as a wise mentor in the way of Atlus games and JRPGs. Now I have another reason to look up to you.

And again, everyone else here. I keep saying you guys are awesome, right?

I've been reading this thread from the beginning, but I think I've only posted once or twice. I just want to send well-wishes, congratulations, and good-lucks to every single person in here.

The tolerance, trust, and friendship displayed is a testament to the community at large, and makes me more and more proud to be here with every post.

I live in a place where these types of topics just don't get brought up, or discussed in a civil manner. Homophobia, racism, and general bigotry are all still fairly socially acceptable traits in the circles I am exposed to. Of course, this view is limited by my experiences being in the oilpatch, which has a stereotype that is well deserved.

I'm just glad to be here. Sometimes I feel like I'm a fish out of water because of my views and this place is my refuge.

Blah blah blah... Happiness to all!

This thread keeps getting more and more amazing.

Switchbreak wrote:

This thread keeps getting more and more amazing.

Seriously... congratulations Clocky! I still feel so new here I didn't realize on IRC that this was a new announcement. I'm so happy that your wife is beside on this, and we've got your back too!

Switchbreak wrote:

This thread keeps getting more and more amazing.

My thoughts exactly.
I miss being on IRC, I need to go back. Big congrats, Clock. I'm happy that you feel comfortable enough to share this, and you know that everyone will always be here for you.

Hypatian wrote:
pgroce wrote:

Something else: How does the law work with "traditionally" married trans* individuals in states that don't recognize gay marriage? It seems like the continuum of options are: (1) doesn't recognize the transition, you're still married; (2) recognizes the transition, you can't be married anymore (WTF); (3) recognizes the transition, you're still married. As distressing as the notion of the second one is, all three seem awkward in their own way. It really highlights how ridiculous it is to complicate marriage with gender at all, IMO.

As SallyNasty said, it's basically 1 and 3 in all cases. There are constraints on who is allowed to [em]get[/em] married, but once you're married, you're married. The only way out is to dissolve the marriage, and that doesn't happen automatically. I imagine that it could be made to happen automatically, but that would require a new law to be passed to specifically account for that case, which seems unlikely.

Goes to show, teh gays can't even ruin marriage right.

Clocky, I've long admired your activity in this community, your enthusiasm, your keen eye, your intellect, and your ability to articulate your position so delicately while also avoiding (m)any incendiary tendencies. Now add an insane and admirable bravery to the list. We all have hidden feelings, I think, about the past or others or about ourselves, but most people keep them inside. Know that your willingness to possibly struggle and sacrifice in this is an inspiration to this more cowardly soul. Thank you.

Clocky - never stop clocking. <3

Wigs came today! Good mood! Stream of consciousness:

a) Wigs are [em]neat![/em]

b) Whoooooa. It is weird to have hair after all these years, even if it's not my hair.

c) Hmm. Okay, I see how the lace-front one works. Will have to prioritize makeup skills to wear that one.. (There's a sort of flesh-toned screen bit in the front of these, with individual fibers tied through, to support hair styles that reveal the scalp near the hairline. You're meant to blend the "lace" with make-up to match your skin tone so it doesn't show. Also possibly trim the lace back a bit, which I'll consider once I see how the makeup works.)

d) Wow! I could totally have had my hair look like this one with my real hair, back when I had long hair. I'd just have needed some highlights and a little styling product. That would have been [em]awesome![/em]

e) ClockworkHouse would totally clock on this wig. But that's okay, that's just how she is.*

f) I'm glad I started with some relatively inexpensive wigs for getting used to. This is going to take work, but it's going to be super fun.

g) I should definitely order some more once I've done more cleaning and have room to store them properly.

h) Arrgh! Cleaning night, and I'm out of trash bags. Time to put the wigs away and go to the store.

i) Oh. My head isn't hot any more. Hair! It keeps your head warm! I remember that!

Now off to get some trash bags.

[size=8]* Actually, she probably wouldn't, but that was a funny thought I had later.[/size]

This is delightful. I'm excited for you.

Hypatian wrote:

Lots of wig-tasticness!

:)

This is a great thread to restore one's faith in humanity, reinforce my oft-expressed belief about how great a community this is...plus you never quite know what's coming next!

Stream of consciousness wigging FTW!

Radical Ans wrote:

Stream of consciousness wigging FTW!

Live tweet the next wig unboxing

Hypatian wrote:

Wigs came today! Good mood! Stream of consciousness

2 words: Anime Wig.

You know it makes sense.

Maq wrote:
Hypatian wrote:

Wigs came today! Good mood! Stream of consciousness

2 words: Anime Wig.

You know it makes sense.

You gotta have blue hair.

I'm all for wig unboxing videos, but if I see one frame of Hypation making duckface... we are going to have WORDS.

Damn feet. Finding cute shoes is going to be a problem. If Zappos is any indication, I'm doomed to Birkenstocks, chucks, and crocs.

Edit: Nevermind. Was looking for size 12.5 and getting nothing, but 12 and 13 have plenty of cute options. Thank god.

I have no interest in cute shoes for my own feet. But you don't mind if I vicariously enjoy your interest in them?

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ClockworkHouse wrote:

Damn feet. Finding cute shoes is going to be a problem. If Zappos is any indication, I'm doomed to Birkenstocks, chucks, and crocs.

Edit: Nevermind. Was looking for size 12.5 and getting nothing, but 12 and 13 have plenty of cute options. Thank god.

Sizing for women's shoes and women's anything really is so frickin' variable. How did you determine your size is 12.5, because I find it depends greatly on the manufacturer.

Demyx wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Damn feet. Finding cute shoes is going to be a problem. If Zappos is any indication, I'm doomed to Birkenstocks, chucks, and crocs.

Edit: Nevermind. Was looking for size 12.5 and getting nothing, but 12 and 13 have plenty of cute options. Thank god.

Sizing for women's shoes and women's anything really is so frickin' variable. How did you determine your size is 12.5, because I find it depends greatly on the manufacturer.

I find women's sizing so intriguing and ridiculous. Not so much with shoes but I've never understood the point in using sizes that aren't consistent when you can just use measurements.

SixteenBlue wrote:

I find women's sizing so intriguing and ridiculous. Not so much with shoes but I've never understood the point in using sizes that aren't consistent when you can just use measurements.

I am 100% there with you. Hate trying on clothes for this reason.

Not to mention the clothes seem to mostly be made for a woman who's shaped differently from me, I guess. I'll find a nice dress in my size and find out that it fits at the waist but is too big in the shoulders. And the next size down, of course, fits in the shoulders but the waist is too small. AUGH.

So, uh, that's what you have to look forward to, newly minted women! Don't get too discouraged

I was discussing women's vs men's sizing with a female friend last week. She was blown away that, as a man, all I need to do to find my pants size is measure my waist and inseam.

Demyx wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Damn feet. Finding cute shoes is going to be a problem. If Zappos is any indication, I'm doomed to Birkenstocks, chucks, and crocs.

Edit: Nevermind. Was looking for size 12.5 and getting nothing, but 12 and 13 have plenty of cute options. Thank god.

Sizing for women's shoes and women's anything really is so frickin' variable. How did you determine your size is 12.5, because I find it depends greatly on the manufacturer.

The usual rule of thumb is that your size for women's shoes is your size for men's plus two. It'll still vary from brand to brand (as it does with men) but that's the baseline.

But I've already noticed some great variation in sizing when shopping for jeans. At Alloy I'm a size 11; at Old Navy I'm a size 10; at some other place, I was a size 8. Thank God for sizing charts.

Can I just say that shopping for women's clothing is way, way more fun than shopping for men's? Aside from the odd article here and there, I'm not really at a point where I should be shopping for women's clothing, but I'm doing it anyway because it's so much more fun. It gets overwhelming and expensive, for sure, but there's a variety in what's available that you just don't see for men.

I suspect I'll end up with a pretty tomboyish look, but even then I like that there's a whole range of, say, shoes, or cuts of jeans, or styles of shirt that can all create different looks or work in different situations. It's a world of difference from the, to my eye, really boring world of men's fashion where everything is more or less the same. I'm looking forward to buying and wearing women's clothes where I've always dreaded shopping before.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

The usual rule of thumb is that your size for women's shoes is your size for men's plus two. It'll still vary from brand to brand (as it does with men) but that's the baseline.

That's cool. If I ever wanted to wear men's shoes, they'd have to be boy's shoes, because I'm at the very bottom of sizes for women (5 1/2 - 6).

Can I just say that shopping for women's clothing is way, way more fun than shopping for men's? Aside from the odd article here and there, I'm not really at a point where I should be shopping for women's clothing, but I'm doing it anyway because it's so much more fun. It gets overwhelming and expensive, for sure, but there's a variety in what's available that you just don't see for men.

I suspect I'll end up with a pretty tomboyish look, but even then I like that there's a whole range of, say, shoes, or cuts of jeans, or styles of shirt that can all create different looks or work in different situations. It's a world of difference from the, to my eye, really boring world of men's fashion where everything is more or less the same. I'm looking forward to buying and wearing women's clothes where I've always dreaded shopping before.

It's great to see you're enjoying it so much! I sometimes envy men's departments actually because all the sizing makes sense and you can always get classic, sensible things. As a tomboyish woman I often tire of every other thing having ruffles or flowers or whatever and long for clean lines.

Especially the dress clothes, oh man is it hard to navigate the dress clothes. I sincerely wish that you have better luck than I have. It seems like everything formal is either made for teens going to prom or old ladies going to a funeral with no in between. I just want a sensible dress for a business dinner!

But yeah, it can be fun. What I prefer to clothes shopping is shopping for personal beauty products. I highly recommend getting yourself some nice flowery or fruity shower gel and shampoo for first thing in the morning

ClockworkHouse wrote:

*shopping notes*

Interestingly, your posts now read in a female voice in my head. No volition on my part; that's just how they sound now.

(There; see how easy that is on the internet? :grin:)