[trailer] Avengers! My day is made

Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

I guess there could also have been worries that it's confusing to people who haven't seen Cap, which could've alienated audience members early on.

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:
Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

I guess there could also have been worries that it's confusing to people who haven't seen Cap, which could've alienated audience members early on.

This is true. I'm one of those. It was already a little jarring to see Cap in The Avengers at the beginning anyway without seeing Captain America first anyway. "Who's this guy? Oh right, from the movie I didn't see."

El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

On a more general note, the more I watch deleted scenes, the less I want to watch any more; I have yet to see a deleted scene and think, "Man, that should totally be in the movie!" Most of them quite understandably wandered onto the cutting room floor.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

On a more general note, the more I watch deleted scenes, the less I want to watch any more; I have yet to see a deleted scene and think, "Man, that should totally be in the movie!" Most of them quite understandably wandered onto the cutting room floor.

That is the benefit of being allowed to make a movie that is nearly 3 hours: the director gets to keep enough of the goods that even good scenes can be deleted if they don't forward the momentum.

Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

The scene with him reading through the file and finding out everyone he knows is dead? I would have liked to have seen that in the movie. It brought home in a way that nothing else did why he might not only feel out of place in our time but why it would be hard for him.

The scene with him meeting the waitress at the café? That was cute but ultimately meaningless, and I'm glad it was cut.

I liked the old-timey footage and watching him look at the files of his dead comrades. They could have cut it right before he looks at the love interest's and Tony Stark's files. It would have demonstrated his melancholia and help set-up the new family theme of the movie. Then again, it was a long movie that felt short, probably because they cut stuff like that.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

On a more general note, the more I watch deleted scenes, the less I want to watch any more; I have yet to see a deleted scene and think, "Man, that should totally be in the movie!" Most of them quite understandably wandered onto the cutting room floor.

Maybe with movies.

With TV shows there are definitely some quality scenes that get dropped because of the need to be cut to 21/42 minutes for half/hour long time slots.

Although since we're in a comic-book-movie thread, it's worth mentioning Daredevil. The theatrical release had a good chunk (20 min?) cut where Matt Murdock is actually a lawyer, defending a client. It's a nice little B-plot that really belongs in the movie. Emphasizes more of how he uses his hearing of a witness's heartbeat to tell they are lying, and then runs across a witness with a pacemaker who tricks him. Really, the director's cut of the movie that's on DVD/BR is much much better than the theatrical release. It's still not a great movie, up to Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Dark Knight, the best movies in the genre, but it's quite respectable with the extra stuff.

It needed a scene of Cap digging up the corpses of his old friends and comrades and then hugging the dessicated remains while weeping.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

The scene with him reading through the file and finding out everyone he knows is dead? I would have liked to have seen that in the movie. It brought home in a way that nothing else did why he might not only feel out of place in our time but why it would be hard for him.

The scene with him meeting the waitress at the café? That was cute but ultimately meaningless, and I'm glad it was cut.

Agreed all around.

Well, I could have dealt with the cafe. Sometimes I'm into cute and meaningless.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

It needed a scene of Cap digging up the corpses of his old friends and comrades and then hugging the dessicated remains while weeping.

Nailed it!

tboon wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:
Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

I guess there could also have been worries that it's confusing to people who haven't seen Cap, which could've alienated audience members early on.

This is true. I'm one of those. It was already a little jarring to see Cap in The Avengers at the beginning anyway without seeing Captain America first anyway. "Who's this guy? Oh right, from the movie I didn't see."

Wouldn't that montage and him looking through the files of his dead friends have served as a cliff's notes introduction for you though? Weird product of science, out of time, everyone he knows is dead, etc?

ClockworkHouse wrote:

The scene with him reading through the file and finding out everyone he knows is dead? I would have liked to have seen that in the movie. It brought home in a way that nothing else did why he might not only feel out of place in our time but why it would be hard for him.

The scene with him meeting the waitress at the café? That was cute but ultimately meaningless, and I'm glad it was cut.

There's a payoff for that later, while he's fighting in the streets.

Alien Love Gardener wrote:
tboon wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:
Alien Love Gardener wrote:
El-Taco-the-Rogue wrote:

Whedon said it didn't fit the flow of the movie. It's a good scene, but having just watched the Bluray with deleted scenes, I'm inclined to agree.

I can see how it would've hurt the pace, but I think what it adds in terms of emotional investment would've been worth it.

I guess there could also have been worries that it's confusing to people who haven't seen Cap, which could've alienated audience members early on.

This is true. I'm one of those. It was already a little jarring to see Cap in The Avengers at the beginning anyway without seeing Captain America first anyway. "Who's this guy? Oh right, from the movie I didn't see."

Wouldn't that montage and him looking through the files of his dead friends have served as a cliff's notes introduction for you though? Weird product of science, out of time, everyone he knows is dead, etc?

Good point. Maybe it would have, now that I think about it. I saw Cap a couple of weeks ago and it did fill in some of the incongruities I felt surrounded his character in The Avengers. Maybe that little bit would have been enough.

Alien Love Gardener wrote:

There's a payoff for that later, while he's fighting in the streets.

I know; I recognized her. But it's not enough of a payoff to slow down the start of the movie even more than it already was.

I really loved those scenes.

I don't disagree with the reasons it was cut. But it would not have bothered me at all if they left it in.

Cutting from the newsreel to the gym might have still worked, and reinforced the notion that he's pretty isolated. As it is, we have to rely on Fury's mention of files left at his apartment to explain why he knows who Iron Man and Tony Stark when they meet up in Germany.

Anyone else wonder if him walking by a cell phone street vendor is also a nod to his earlier film, Cellular?

Don't watch the first part of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkqC...
I remember thinking that during the movie too, but I think I suppressed it cause I was enjoying myself immensely.

Kurrelgyre wrote:

Anyone else wonder if him walking by a cell phone street vendor is also a nod to his earlier film, Cellular?

Holy crap, Captain America was in Cellular?! That was a great movie, and it was even before all the smart phones we have nowadays.

RolandofGilead wrote:
Kurrelgyre wrote:

Anyone else wonder if him walking by a cell phone street vendor is also a nod to his earlier film, Cellular?

Holy crap, Captain America was in Cellular?! That was a great movie, and it was even before all the smart phones we have nowadays.

I haven't seen Cellular, mostly because I doubt it'll live up to the legacy of the terrible, TERRIBLE Bollywood remake.

fangblackbone wrote:

I really loved those scenes.

I don't disagree with the reasons it was cut. But it would not have bothered me at all if they left it in.

It wouldn't have bothered me either, as long as they replaced the cartoony voice of the newsreel announcer. Going into the movie I wasn't expecting Cap to get misty over missing Howard, but ignoring the absence of Peggy was a glaring omission.

Also, enough with the Stan Lee cameos. I love the guy as much as anybody but his wink-and-a-nod bit parts are beyond stale after the first dozen of them.

I like the Stan Lee cameos, since they never really last longer than a good quip or two.

I also feel odd for not immediately worshiping everything Whedon does. He can be very hit and miss with me -- thankfully this movie was much more Hit with only a couple of minor misses.

Seeing it tonight in 3D at Flix Brewhouse. About damn time.

Was there another Stan Lee cameo? I seem to remember seeing him in the movie.

He was in the on the street interviews at the end of the movie.

I am not fond of the Stan Lee cameos. I wish they were Easter Eggs that you had to really look for. It feels at home in a Spiderman movie, but not the others.

Sleepy Bonus is sleepy, but it was awesome.

heavyfeul wrote:

I am not fond of the Stan Lee cameos.

Seriously, it's not like the guy had anything to do with the success of the characters.

It depends on the cameo. The first cameos in X-Men and Spider-man were pretty well hidden, rather blink-and-you'll-miss-em, but some of them like Iron Man and Incredible Hulk are pretty obvious. I actually missed his cameo in Thor the first time (or rather, didn't realize it was him).

The scene with him meeting the waitress at the café? That was cute but ultimately meaningless, and I'm glad it was cut.

I remember reading something about this but have not seen the deleted scenes. What is the significance of the waitress?

Atras wrote:
heavyfeul wrote:

I am not fond of the Stan Lee cameos.

Seriously, it's not like the guy had anything to do with the success of the characters.

I do not like to see the wizard behind the curtain. It reminds me that I am watching an elaborate magic trick.

karmajay wrote:
The scene with him meeting the waitress at the café? That was cute but ultimately meaningless, and I'm glad it was cut.

I remember reading something about this but have not seen the deleted scenes. What is the significance of the waitress?

Captain America just has an encounter with the waitress he rescues later on in the big battle.

Running Man wrote:

It wouldn't have bothered me either, as long as they replaced the cartoony voice of the newsreel announcer.

I'd need to listen to it again, but the newsreel announcer wasn't that far off from the style used in the '40s for real newsreels. It was cheesy, but it was authentic.