When you cry manly tears of manliness

THANK YOU!! Yes, How to Train your Dragon is so goddamn amazing!! Far, FAR superior t o Toy Story 3. It was robbed at the Oscars, I say! ROBBED!!

I'll also say it was robbed because its advertisements were so bad, I skipped it whilst it was in theaters, which I now totally regret.

kexx wrote:

THANK YOU!! Yes, How to Train your Dragon is so goddamn amazing!! Far, FAR superior t o Toy Story 3. It was robbed at the Oscars, I say! ROBBED!!

Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong about that. Dragon is a good movie, but TS3 is like the Hamlet of animated movies about toys.

Good movie?! GOOD MOVIE?! *throws down gauntlet* How DARE you sir. First, comparing TS3 to Hamlet?! WHAT? Second, HTTYD isn't about toys, so again, what? Third, you're a bastard.

lostlobster wrote:
kexx wrote:

THANK YOU!! Yes, How to Train your Dragon is so goddamn amazing!! Far, FAR superior t o Toy Story 3. It was robbed at the Oscars, I say! ROBBED!!

Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong about that. Dragon is a good movie, but TS3 is like the Hamlet of animated movies about toys.

Veloxi is kinda sensitive about How To Train Your Dragon.

Strangeblades wrote:

Veloxi is kinda sensitive about How To Train Your Dragon. ;)

A bit, yes.

Strangeblades wrote:
lostlobster wrote:
kexx wrote:

THANK YOU!! Yes, How to Train your Dragon is so goddamn amazing!! Far, FAR superior t o Toy Story 3. It was robbed at the Oscars, I say! ROBBED!!

Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong about that. Dragon is a good movie, but TS3 is like the Hamlet of animated movies about toys.

Veloxi is kinda sensitive about How To Train Your Dragon. ;)

To be fair, lostlobster is wrong wrong wrong, so Veloxi has a point.

HTTYD is a fantastic movie for all ages; TS3 is Schindler's ToyList wrapped in a false coming-of-age-story package. TS3 is a probably a good movie in and of itself, but as a Toy Story movie - a movie for children that extends the story of other movies made for children - it's kinda a little bit horrifying. And by 'kinda a little bit' I mean 'absolutely nightmare-inducingly'.

Yeah, as an adult, I feel most Pixar movies are made for kids, but with solid plots, and a handful of adult jokes sprinkled in (Helen pulling Bob inside before work during that training montage in Incredibles :hump:), but still mostly really good kids movies.*

TS3 feels like it's made for adults. I still loved it but in a much different way than other Pixar movies.

*Except Cars and moreover Cars 2, which suck horribly. And especially Cars 2, which was churned out as a merchandising vehicle and nothing else.

Thank you, Sir Chumpy.

Now I can't wait to show my daughter Babe. That's a few years off though.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
Strangeblades wrote:
lostlobster wrote:
kexx wrote:

THANK YOU!! Yes, How to Train your Dragon is so goddamn amazing!! Far, FAR superior t o Toy Story 3. It was robbed at the Oscars, I say! ROBBED!!

Yeah, sorry, but you're wrong about that. Dragon is a good movie, but TS3 is like the Hamlet of animated movies about toys.

Veloxi is kinda sensitive about How To Train Your Dragon. ;)

To be fair, lostlobster is wrong wrong wrong, so Veloxi has a point.

HTTYD is a fantastic movie for all ages; TS3 is Schindler's ToyList wrapped in a false coming-of-age-story package. TS3 is a probably a good movie in and of itself, but as a Toy Story movie - a movie for children that extends the story of other movies made for children - it's kinda a little bit horrifying. And by 'kinda a little bit' I mean 'absolutely nightmare-inducingly'.

TS3, like all classic children's stories, (see also the abovementioned Babe) deals with death, also change, and yes the dreaded "coming-of-age". Woody grows up and lets go of his own selfish needs and thinks of all the other toys, at last. It is a scary, scary movie — in the way that movies that deal with serious issues are. A lot of it goes over kids heads, but they'll grow into the understanding.

HTTYD is a very good movie, with excellent animation and acting, but the plot isn't exactly unique.

No offense meant, Veloxi. YMDV, clearly.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

TS3 is Schindler's ToyList wrapped in a false coming-of-age-story package. TS3 is a probably a good movie in and of itself, but as a Toy Story movie - a movie for children that extends the story of other movies made for children - it's kinda a little bit horrifying. And by 'kinda a little bit' I mean 'absolutely nightmare-inducingly'.

Toy Story 3 is an excellent movie and I won't hear a bad word said about it, but I agree that it isn't really made for children. The creators have even said as much. Neither is Toy Story 2 but it covers it up better.

Toy Story is about childhood. The main plot is a thinly-veiled analogy for sibling rivalry, and there are other childhood fears sprinkled about -- moving, bullies, abandonment, etc.

Toy Story 2 is about middle age. A major injury, getting older and worried that your health is declining. Your children going off on their own without you. What you're going to do with your life when your child leaves for college. Whether it's better to take risks to chase your dreams or live a safer but less happy life. Not to mention the subplot of confronting your younger self (the two Buzz Lightyears).

Toy Story 3 is about growing old and dying. The movie opens with discussions of how Andy no longer needs them and how they're resigned to wait until Andy has kids, after all. Then there's the shockingly honest scene about confronting death, as well as metaphors for the afterlife and for care homes.

Up and The Incredibles also have messages that are meant more for adults than for children, and I love them all.

lostlobster wrote:

HTTYD is a very good movie, with excellent animation and acting, but the plot isn't exactly unique.

That movie isn't about the plot, it's about the characters and the relationships they form with each other, and how they overcome certain adversities.

Also, listening to the soundtrack now, and totally tearing up at "Test Drive". Damn I love John Powell.

HTTYD sits near Up as the best animated films of the last ten years, IMO.

Blind_Evil wrote:

HTTYD sits near Up as the best animated films of the last ten years, IMO.

Funny you say that as Up is currently my favorite Pixar film (though we'll see if that changes when they rerelease Finding Nemo, which I've not seen in years).

Blind_Evil wrote:

HTTYD sits near Up as the best animated films of the last ten years, IMO.

Probably my favorite non-Pixar animated film from this stretch.

Edit: with Ratatouille and Wall-E fighting out for my favorite, period.

Also, if you like HTTYD, you might be happy to know that a new show, Riders of Berk, will be premiering this fall on Cartoon Network to bridge the gap between the first movie and the sequel in 2014. Most of the voice cast has returned as well. Yay!

Also, if you've not checked out Gift of the Night Fury, it's on Netflix Streaming and is FREAKING ADORABLE.

Oh, also, live show - http://dreamworksdragonslive.com/

Veloxi wrote:
lostlobster wrote:

HTTYD is a very good movie, with excellent animation and acting, but the plot isn't exactly unique.

That movie isn't about the plot, it's about the characters and the relationships they form with each other, and how they overcome certain adversities.

Also, listening to the soundtrack now, and totally tearing up at "Test Drive". Damn I love John Powell.

Veloxi, it's become clear to me that HTTYD is very, very important to you in such a way so that is not worth discussing its merits or faults. I'm happy for you that you've found a piece of art that speaks to you so deeply. It doesn't for me. *shrug* Such is the wonder of art. Enjoy.

In American Beauty when Carolyn (Annette Benning) goes into her closet and grabs an armful of Lester's (Kevin Spacey) clothes after he's been killed.

Kills me every time. (mostly because my wife and I had just gone through a separation and it brought back some crazy feelings seeing that scene in the theater, keeps coming back. We're back together now )

Lost, it has faults. It's plot is insanely derivative, and some folks have problems with Scottish vikings. However, yes, it's as if the filmmakers reached into my brain and set "Okay, let's make a movie for THIS GUY."

groan wrote:

In American Beauty when Carolyn (Annette Benning) goes into her closet and grabs an armful of Lester's (Kevin Spacey) clothes after he's been killed.

Kills me every time. (mostly because my wife and I had just gone through a separation and it brought back some crazy feelings seeing that scene in the theater, keeps coming back. We're back together now )

Hah, guess I don't need to see American Beauty now.

WOAH, spoilers!

Andy doesn't need the toys anymore?

It's been out for almost or over 10 years.
if you haven't seen it yet, go do it now. I've not ruined anything. He tells you he's dead at the beginning of the movie.

groan wrote:

In American Beauty when Carolyn (Annette Benning) goes into her closet and grabs an armful of Lester's (Kevin Spacey) clothes after he's been killed.

Kills me every time. (mostly because my wife and I had just gone through a separation and it brought back some crazy feelings seeing that scene in the theater, keeps coming back. We're back together now )

I always thought the movie ends when the gun goes off?! *confused*

On topic: there were several moments in Mass Effect 3 that got my eyes watery.

groan wrote:

It's been out for almost or over 10 years.
if you haven't seen it yet, go do it now. I've not ruined anything. He tells you he's dead at the beginning of the movie.

Hahahahahaha, I'm in no rush, I have a huge backlog of movies I need to see.

Brave Little Toaster 4 Lyfe.

So many emotional moments in the Olympics for us Brits but I think the best of them all was Gemma Gibbons after winning her Judo semi final looked to the sky and mouthed "I love you Mum". Her mum had died from cancer years before the Games. Brilliant moment.

lostlobster wrote:

TS3, like all classic children's stories, (see also the abovementioned Babe) deals with death, also change, and yes the dreaded "coming-of-age". Woody grows up and lets go of his own selfish needs and thinks of all the other toys, at last. It is a scary, scary movie — in the way that movies that deal with serious issues are. A lot of it goes over kids heads, but they'll grow into the understanding.

As I said, TS3 may be a good movie in it's own right, but there were a significant number of things that I found highly inappropriate for my children. This was not the case with the first two. I don't mean "serious" scary things, like dealing with mortality, I mean kid-scary things, like "Daddy, why are all the toys so scared and why are they getting pushed into that fire?" and "Daddy, why are those mean toys trying to hurt Woody?" Stuff like that doesn't go over kids' heads, it gives them nightmares.

TS1 shows us nightmare toys (the ones under Sid's bed), and they are scary - but the movie then explicitly shows us how they only look scary, and are really nice underneath the outside, which they can't control. This is something that is good for young kids to see. TS3 shows us "nice" toys that are actually monsters (and monstrous in ways that little kids can understand). This is not something my 5 year old needs to learn yet.

I recognize where the movie came from; the people who worked on the movies are getting older and growing and stretching as filmmakers and storytellers. I think the movies only really work if you take significant time between them (at least the last two), on the order of years. I assumed that, because my boys were old enough to watch the first two, they were old enough to watch the third, and I was wrong.

I am revisiting BSG. I am getting a bit choked up because they just finished The Blackbird. Very emotional episode.

Oh man, yeah, I totally teared up then IIRC.