[trailer] Avengers! My day is made

Demyx wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

The waitress who Captain America saves (Krissy from Growing Pains) is also a Dollhouse alum.

The thing that blew my mind was that the purple dude that Loki is reporting to was Wesley from Angel.

Wesley is playing Thanos? That's pretty bad ass if they plan on keeping him. Not quite the voice I'd expect for such a character though.

Then again, all they really had him do in Avengers was turn around and smile.

Running Man wrote:

Its probably too early for their own dedicated threads but Marvel recently announced the titles to 2 upcoming movies, Captain America: The Winter Soldier for April 2014 and Thor: The Dark World.

While I'm excited about seeing what they do with Bucky/Winter Soldier (hope that's not a spoiler to anybody) I suppose it lowers my chances of seeing Cap team up with The Falcon. I just loved them as a duo.

I don't consider it a spoiler. I just could not buy into the concept that they killed Bucky Barnes in such a fashion. I figured they'd bring him back.

Besides, it would be nice to see one of the better actors from Kings continue to have an awesome career of sorts.

ccesarano wrote:

Wesley is playing Thanos? That's pretty bad ass if they plan on keeping him. Not quite the voice I'd expect for such a character though.

Then again, all they really had him do in Avengers was turn around and smile.

Not Thanos, the guy who shows up earlier in the movie that Loki is talking to. So the guy who reports to Thanos?

ccesarano wrote:
Demyx wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

The waitress who Captain America saves (Krissy from Growing Pains) is also a Dollhouse alum.

The thing that blew my mind was that the purple dude that Loki is reporting to was Wesley from Angel.

Wesley is playing Thanos? That's pretty bad ass if they plan on keeping him. Not quite the voice I'd expect for such a character though.

Then again, all they really had him do in Avengers was turn around and smile.

Not Thanos, the Chitauri leader. IMDB gives his name as "The Other."

Whatever. Alexis Denisof should have more roles. I'd say he was in the top 3 of "great actors" over the whole series of Buffy or Angel.

Stele wrote:

Whatever. Alexis Denisof should have more roles. I'd say he was in the top 3 of "great actors" over the whole series of Buffy or Angel.

"I'm a rogue demon hunter."

"What's a Rogue demon?"

Stele wrote:

Whatever. Alexis Denisof should have more roles. I'd say he was in the top 3 of "great actors" over the whole series of Buffy or Angel.

I 100% agree (he was my favorite in the Buffyverse) which is why I was sad I didn't even recognize him.

Stele wrote:

Whatever. Alexis Denisof should have more roles. I'd say he was in the top 3 of "great actors" over the whole series of Buffy or Angel.

Also he's a really good dancer.

Stele wrote:

Whatever. Alexis Denisof should have more roles. I'd say he was in the top 3 of "great actors" over the whole series of Buffy or Angel.

He could have had his own spin-off of a spin-off that's just how bad ass he was.

I was pissed when they killed him, no matter how badass he had become with the ability to cast fireballs.

But I did like the plotline continuation of him being an apparition kinda thing advising (the now human) Angel. That would have made a good TV show if they hadn't cancelled it *grumble grumble*

I still squee with excitement when I think of the scene where he unloads a 45 into his "father" who tries to use Fred as a shield.

ccesarano wrote:

He could have had his own spin-off of a spin-off that's just how bad ass he was.

I have long maintained they should've made a show about Wes and Giles traveling the countryside fighting demons and bickering.

fangblackbone wrote:

I was pissed when they killed him, no matter how badass he had become with the ability to cast fireballs.

I like to pretend this didn't happen. Since it was pretty much the obligatory "Whedon show finale, someone must die!" bit.

Demyx wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

He could have had his own spin-off of a spin-off that's just how bad ass he was.

I have long maintained they should've made a show about Wes and Giles traveling the countryside fighting demons and bickering.

I would watch this show.

Demyx wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

I was pissed when they killed him, no matter how badass he had become with the ability to cast fireballs.

I like to pretend this didn't happen. Since it was pretty much the obligatory "Whedon show finale, someone must die!" bit.

In truth, if anyone earned a break from all the bullsh*t, it was Wes.

I heard a bit about where the comic picks up, and...eh...I have mixed feelings. On one hand I'd like to pick it up and see where it goes, but on the other, well, it's like my thoughts on the Mass Effect ending: I like filling in the details myself.

Stele wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Really? I cannot remember who she played.

Yep. Wendy (who got imprinted with Caroline), in Omega, the season 1 TV finale. Pretty important episode. Some fun scenes with Tudyk and Dushku.

Was that the guy's overweight neighbor/girlfriend? If so, I barely recognize her. She was one of the only good things on that terrible show.

Um, no just the one episode. And the best episode of the show (Epitaph One) was only on the DVD/BR, so FOX kinda screwed up again. If you haven't seen Epitaph One, and seen what the show was heading towards, it's kinda hard to judge the series.

The pacing was very bad for the first 5 episodes. It got much better. And then in season 2 the pacing was way off in the other direction when they knew they were getting canceled and spewed out 2 seasons worth of storylines in about 5 episodes.

Anyway I think there's a Dollhouse thread somewhere, so as not to derail this more. If it's on Netflix or Amazon Prime, watching Epitaph One would be worth your 45 minutes and maybe entice you to watch the rest of the show.

Nah, there were some enjoyable episodes, and good acting, but just be honest with yourself: it was terrible. You can still enjoy a terrible show, doesn't mean it's not terrible. The premise itself was flawed, at least with how they represented the main character. And Dushku. But you're right, not the appropriate place.

I don't care if this is the appropriate place, I think it's strangely relevant. To me the weakest part of The Avengers is everything leading up to when Thor enters the picture. I think Joss Whedon just doesn't know how to start things. Which I can understand. When you have the idea for a story, you rarely start with the beginning. You typically start with the middle and the end, and you gotta figure out how to get there.

Dollhouse was really terrible at the beginning because it focused too much on Echo's latest adventures, something nobody gave a sh*t about. Similarly, Avengers starts with with lots of explosions, but it is focusing on characters we really don't know much about in comparison. The first truly good scene is with Tony Stark and the "His first name is Agent" and such.

Actually, that's not true. He does a really good job of establishing Black Widow as a character, which is of no surprise to anyone. Joss Whedon gave the female character in the movie more purpose than to be the token female. Yay!

Which leads me to Winter Soldier:

Spoiler:

So I did some digging in Wikipedia to learn about Winter Soldier, and man, that should make for a REALLY good movie. But of note in there was the fact that Bucky and Black Widow apparently had a past at one point. Could she thus show up in the next Captain America? Doubtful, but who knows?

ccesarano wrote:

I don't care if this is the appropriate place, I think it's strangely relevant. To me the weakest part of The Avengers is everything leading up to when Thor enters the picture. I think Joss Whedon just doesn't know how to start things. Which I can understand. When you have the idea for a story, you rarely start with the beginning. You typically start with the middle and the end, and you gotta figure out how to get there.

Dollhouse was really terrible at the beginning because it focused too much on Echo's latest adventures, something nobody gave a sh*t about. Similarly, Avengers starts with with lots of explosions, but it is focusing on characters we really don't know much about in comparison. The first truly good scene is with Tony Stark and the "His first name is Agent" and such.

Actually, that's not true. He does a really good job of establishing Black Widow as a character, which is of no surprise to anyone. Joss Whedon gave the female character in the movie more purpose than to be the token female. Yay!

I don't think that's true. In fact, I think most of the times people come up with a concept, which translates into an okay first act, and then have no idea where to take it.

Dollhouse's opening was heavily rewritten at the behest of Fox who wanted to steer it into a more episodic direction, so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that.

ccesarano wrote:

Which leads me to Winter Soldier:

Spoiler:

So I did some digging in Wikipedia to learn about Winter Soldier, and man, that should make for a REALLY good movie. But of note in there was the fact that Bucky and Black Widow apparently had a past at one point. Could she thus show up in the next Captain America? Doubtful, but who knows?

Spoiler:

The timeline for that wouldn't really work out, unless Bucky was friends with her grandpa or something. Black Widow is probably 30-35, and Bucky 'died' in 1944 right?

Yonder wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Which leads me to Winter Soldier:

Spoiler:

So I did some digging in Wikipedia to learn about Winter Soldier, and man, that should make for a REALLY good movie. But of note in there was the fact that Bucky and Black Widow apparently had a past at one point. Could she thus show up in the next Captain America? Doubtful, but who knows?

Spoiler:

The timeline for that wouldn't really work out, unless Bucky was friends with her grandpa or something. Black Widow is probably 30-35, and Bucky 'died' in 1944 right?

Spoiler:

According to the Wikipedia, the Russians put Bucky in and out of cryostasis based on when they needed him, so he is pretty much the same age as when he "died". It all depends on when he stopped going back in to cryostasis.

It's official.

Joss doing Avengers 2 and a tv show for ABC.

Stele wrote:

It's official.

Joss doing Avengers 2 and a tv show for ABC.

I saw this yesterday. That was the single greatest news to ever read about Marvel IMO.

The sequel movie, I was expecting. Not that I'm not pleased.

Joss back on the little screen? Wasn't expecting that. I'm currently restraining myself from doing the Dance of Joy.

You know that's Joss playing Numfar and dancing.

Yes, and I hope Joss is doing the Dance of Joy now as well.

Oh, I looked up more information on this and found this: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/n...

I love this approach. The character moments were my favorite part of Avengers.

I want to know what Marvel property they make work on TV, and not just on TV but on ABC in particular.

I've seen Heroes for Hire suggested which could work and be totally good, but the only characters in that title with name recognition are ones that would not fly on ABC for a number of reasons. So they'd be down to limiting the roster to mostly characters that the vast majority of the TV watching population have never heard of and don't care about.

Another option I saw thrown out was a show based on SHIELD. I threw out that they could make that work, and even link it to the main Marvel film universe by having the premiere of the TV show happen alongside or before the events of The Avengers film. You could have Coulson in there to kind of ground it and lend credence to it being part of the universe, and then go from there with whatever new characters you introduce. Have your new characters hear news of Coulson's death and react to it, and then move on from there. What I see making a SHIELD movie difficult is budget. It would either be ridiculous or the show would end up looking and feeling cheesy.

I dunno. I've been thinking about it for a while now and I just can't figure out what they can make work on ABC.

A cable network could totally do characters like The Punisher or Blade, but neither works on ABC and those are the most known characters I can think of that could make for TV budget friendly shows.

I look forward to its inevitable early cancelation and the accompanying explanations for why it could have been a HUGE hit if only...

Spoiler:

Actually quite curious to see what Whedon comes up with. Really enjoyed The Avengers.

I certainly hope they can make something work. I just can't figure out what that might end up being. I've been talking about it with some bigger comic book fans that still read them regularly and keep up with things and they can't come up with anything really.

You joke, but the only things we can think of that are workable on ABC are things that I feel like get canceled after half a season because the TV viewing public doesn't care about those characters.

Thin_J wrote:

You joke, but the only things we can think of that are workable on ABC are things that I feel like get canceled after half a season because the TV viewing public doesn't care about those characters.

Yeah. I feel that literally the closest they came to doing something like this was Season 1 of Heroes. And Heroes didn't have costumes or cheesy names, etc. We can put that part of our brains away for 2 - 3 hours for a movie. But to ask someone every week to produce a television show based on comic book characters that isn't cheesy is really tough. Especially when it's not on HBO or Showtime.

Well, again, there are characters that are totally workable on TV and within a TV show budget, it's just that most people either don't know who those characters are or those characters have core traits that make them impossible to do correctly on network TV.

Blade and The Punisher are too violent to ever work on ABC, And if they go the Heroes for Hire route I would argue pretty heavily that only us nerds know who the hell Luke Cage and Iron Fist are. Granted, in that same group you also have other characters, but again there's problems with all of them. Black Widow won't work because they've already estabelished Scarlett Johansson in the role and they'll never get her on a weekly TV show. There's Elektra... that Fox owns the rights to. There's Ghost Rider who will never work on a TV effects budget and whose rights are currently owned by Columbia Pictures and thus... Sony.

The whole idea is a mess.

And yet it's by far the most feasible of every suggestion I've read.

An ugly thing to conisder about Heroes for Hire, beyond their obscurity: the TV decision makers think a non-white lead is a huge risk (and honestly, mass audiences haven't been knocking themselves over to prove them wrong). ABC doesn't seem like the sort of network to defy that.