Disney World

LouZiffer wrote:
Demyx wrote:

I'm currently trying to plan the best Disney trip EVER since it's Shop's second time going with me. This time we're doing Food and Wine, which I love dearly, and staying in Bay Lake, my second favorite DVC resort (last time we stayed at my favorite, Boardwalk). I like any place with easy access to EPCOT and Bay Lake has monorail access, so... We've got reservations for California Grill and Boma, both of which will be new to me and places I've wanted to try for a long time after hearing stories on many Disney sites.

California Grill is awesome, and Boma is great (especially a Boma breakfast). If you're adventurous and like ethnic foods, the best buffet anywhere in the parks is at Tusker House. It's a character meal now, but still worth it IMO.

The West Side of Pleasure Island is getting a Splitsville 2-story bowling alley very soon. We'll see what happens with erstwhile PI.

I'm a little disappointed that apparently New Fantasyland won't be open at all when we visit in October. I was hoping for at least part of it would be open, but alas :(

You never know when there might be soft/test openings. Check just in case. We plan on being at Disney for the first two weeks of November. Starting October 29.

Boma and Jika were awesome

Also, if you're there during Food & Wine and Suvir Saran is doing something, go to it - he's a super nice guy, and an amazing chef.

Thanks for the suggestions!
We've done Soarin and he loved it. My wife get's motion sick so she just concentrated on a dot on the screen.

You will like Boma. It's great and the atmosphere is tremendous.

I love Disney for the food preparation in their restaurants. They are very food-allergy conscious. My son has a peanut/tree nut allergy and we have never encountered a problem getting him food.

Oddly, one of our favorite restauants from the last visit was a Colonial one. I think it was called Liberty Tree Tavern (http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/din...) in Magic Kingdom.. At first I was skeptical. Meat and potatoes? Sounds boring. I can get that at home!
I was totally wrong!
It is meat and potatoes, but done in such a style and with seasonings that we just dont do at home! It was fabulous.
It was our first exposure to what they call Family Buffet style eating. They bring you long plates of all the types of food and you just fill your plates at your table. The delivery was nice, and the food was tremendous. I expect we will return this time.

we also loved the Garden Grill (http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/din...). We got to meet many characters as they wonder around the restaurant while you eat so no lineups at the parks and you can take lots of pics! the food was good but what was neat was the restaurant slowly rotated through lots of natural scenery.
Did you know that Disney grows alot of the food it serves in the restaurant?
I suggest you go visit the Land pavillion next time you are there and take the tour. It's fascinating that Disney is so involved in growth sciences and creating a hydroponic garden using some very advanced technologies. It really was amazing. Another one of those rides I thought would be boring but was glad to have done it.

I'm going to be "that guy" here.

I don't get the thrill of Disney World. Maybe I'm not the right person for it, but when I go on vacation I want to relax, drink beer, swim and see beach, maybe rent a boat or something. I don't want to deal with crowds or screaming children. I hate rides and amusement parks.

I have never been there, so I could be making judgements about things I just don't understand (and won't until I experience it), but I think I would be happy living my life for having never gone to Disney World.

But now that my wife (who is a Disney fanatic) and I have a son...it seems that it is a fate I cannot escape. I have refused to go there with her when it was just us (there are too many places I would rather go see and experience). But when he is ready, I fear I will be forced to go.

So how do I change my attitude so negativity isn't hanging over me like a thundercloud? What is there to look forward to for a guy like myself?

LouZiffer wrote:

California Grill is awesome, and Boma is great (especially a Boma breakfast). If you're adventurous and like ethnic foods, the best buffet anywhere in the parks is at Tusker House. It's a character meal now, but still worth it IMO.

I forget about Tusker House since, IIRC, it had a bad rap in the early days of DAK? I'll keep it in mind to try sometime.

The West Side of Pleasure Island is getting a Splitsville 2-story bowling alley very soon. We'll see what happens with erstwhile PI.

Sure, but West Side has other issues. For one thing, it took them forever to get that Splitsville in, so if it fails then they'll probably be screwed again. Do you remember the awkward Princess Di exhibit?

Then there's the fact that DisneyQuest is outdated and dying and has been for years. That's another huge space not being used well. I've heard things about the retail space in general on West Side not doing very well lately. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I actually like Downtown Disney, the Marketplace side at least, so I want to see it succeed.

You never know when there might be soft/test openings. Check just in case. We plan on being at Disney for the first two weeks of November. Starting October 29.

I will totally check, yes. And bang on the walls and demand they let me in. That'll work right?

Good add! Deb Wills (founder) is one of our favorite people. She's taken us on tours in the past.

I am a big fan! I could not maintain my desired level of encyclopedic Disney knowledge without that site

As for Disney food in general, I love it. Sure a lot of it isn't as fancy or trendy as what I can get in the city at home, but it's Disney. They have the best junk/comfort food in the world and the atmosphere is usually so fun.

I am going to eat so many plates from the Food and Wine booths. I will need to be rolled out of World Showcase like a katamari. It's going to be awesome.

LouZiffer wrote:

You never know when there might be soft/test openings. Check just in case. We plan on being at Disney for the first two weeks of November. Starting October 29.

We're going to be there starting Oct. 5th.

Also, can't believe Demyx forgot to mention the Disney Food Blog (I think that's the right one)

EDIT: Also this Food & Wine festival list is probably of interest to anyone else going during that time.

EDIT:

groan wrote:

Oddly, one of our favorite restauants from the last visit was a Colonial one. I think it was called Liberty Tree Tavern (http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/din...) in Magic Kingdom.. At first I was skeptical. Meat and potatoes? Sounds boring. I can get that at home!

Thumbs up for Liberty Tree. That was our refuge from the crowds during our day at Magic Kingdom. So nice being able to find a nice quiet corner upstairs to have a late lunch and make some phone calls. Food was quality New England comfort food too

EDIT: Wait, no that wasn't it. We ate at Columbia Harbour House. My bad!

I suggest you go visit the Land pavillion next time you are there and take the tour. It's fascinating that Disney is so involved in growth sciences and creating a hydroponic garden using some very advanced technologies. It really was amazing. Another one of those rides I thought would be boring but was glad to have done it.

I took so many photos of that ride. Very awesome.

shoptroll wrote:

Also, can't believe Demyx forgot to mention the Disney Food Blog (I think that's the right one)

I was mostly thinking history/geekery blogs but this is a great blog for current food happenings.

Nevin73 wrote:

I don't get the thrill of Disney World. Maybe I'm not the right person for it, but when I go on vacation I want to relax, drink beer, swim and see beach, maybe rent a boat or something. I don't want to deal with crowds or screaming children. I hate rides and amusement parks.

Here's a secret: You can do all those things at Disney World. You can relax and drink beer, you can swim, there are beaches (granted, they're on lakes and not the ocean) and you can rent boats. You can spend an entire week at WDW without touching the parks. Keep this in mind.

So how do I change my attitude so negativity isn't hanging over me like a thundercloud? What is there to look forward to for a guy like myself?

Do not EVER go during the summer if you can help it. It is too hot and the crowds are the worst. Go during May or the fall.

If you like certain styles of food, arrange some reservations to places you think you will like. Most of the nice restaurants there deal with kids well.

Be smart about the crowds. Check the tip boards saying how long the lines are when you go in in the morning. Be willing to skip things if the lines are too long. Designate the ONE thing you need to see each day and get a Fastpass first thing in the morning for that -- be flexible on everything else. Don't push to see every ride to try and get your money's worth. The people who try that are the most miserable people you'll see in the parks.

Take a break in the afternoon. That's when the crowds are thickest. Go back to your hotel and swim, or just find a small cafe or low-key area of the park (every park has some).

If you really can't stand crowds or screaming kids, stay away from Downtown Disney's Marketplace. It is the worst for that. Let your wife take your son if they want to go, and you can spend your time swimming or having a beer

Demyx wrote:
The West Side of Pleasure Island is getting a Splitsville 2-story bowling alley very soon. We'll see what happens with erstwhile PI.

Sure, but West Side has other issues. For one thing, it took them forever to get that Splitsville in, so if it fails then they'll probably be screwed again. Do you remember the awkward Princess Di exhibit?

Then there's the fact that DisneyQuest is outdated and dying and has been for years. That's another huge space not being used well. I've heard things about the retail space in general on West Side not doing very well lately. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I actually like Downtown Disney, the Marketplace side at least, so I want to see it succeed.

Sheez. Don't remind me. It's a crying shame. Seriously.

The thing that keeps me hopeful is the new management. Disney is back to what they do best with the parks: Imagineering. Not the cheaped-up crap that happened under Eisner, but the real deal. When something is broken, they fix it AND improve it! The big ol' area to the left of the Marketplace was never designed to function well, and is a scary place for business owners. They got Splitsville... finally. I'm giving this team the benefit of the doubt.

As for Disney food in general, I love it. Sure a lot of it isn't as fancy or trendy as what I can get in the city at home, but it's Disney. They have the best junk/comfort food in the world and the atmosphere is usually so fun.

Heck yeah. The food declined horribly under the old regime. (Remember McDonald's fry carts? And those were a GOOD option!) Once again things seem to be going back to what I remember as a child of the 1970's. Now even the "counter service" places have good stuff. If they can get the Commissary at Hollywood Studios to improve, they'll be batting 1.000.

I am going to eat so many plates from the Food and Wine booths. I will need to be rolled out of World Showcase like a katamari. It's going to be awesome.

YES.

Nevin, Disney isn't for everyone. Not everybody can take the crowds. we go in eary February, when crowds are less, but there are still lots of people. This is coming from a guy who's favorite city to visit in the US is NYNY so the crowds don't really bother me.

The way I see it is, Do it. If you have the means to try a day trip, do Magic Kingdom and get a taste, albeit a hefty taste since nothing at Disney is done in bits.

If you like or can tolerate the day, then stretch it to 5 the next time. Our first Disney trip was when my son was 4. he had a blast but doesn't remember much. Best to wait till they are 7 or 8, in my opinion, when they will remember it.

I just remembered another thing I want to do.
JEDI ACADEMY.

I must successfully get my son in this time. I made him cry because I didn't know that you could not just walk up and sign him up. He was so disappointed!

This time I will get there early, Have us both wearing loud obnoxious starwars shirts, get to the front of the crowd, have him sporting his custom light saber that we bought last time, and get him chosen. I hope. At least we will try, or I will die doing so.
Any tips?

Nevin73 wrote:

I don't get the thrill of Disney World. Maybe I'm not the right person for it, but when I go on vacation I want to relax, drink beer, swim and see beach, maybe rent a boat or something. I don't want to deal with crowds or screaming children. I hate rides and amusement parks.

You will probably want to go in the Fall or Spring. I think that's when it's less jammed (and the weather isn't oppressively hot). The parks are very streamlined and operate fairly efficiently (as someone who's sat in long lines for rides at places like Riverside and The Great Escape the FastPass system for rides is an amazing feat). Or at least they did when we last went in the Spring.

What is there to look forward to for a guy like myself?

EPCOT and Animal Kingdom are probably the least rides n' amusements oriented. There's also plenty of stuff to do in the resort hotels, and they do a great job catering to the adults as much as the kids.

Probably the best thing to do is to just read up on what there is at the park(s) and resorts and see what looks interesting to you.

I also had a lot of fun just taking in the architecture and design aspects of the parks, and doesn't require going on any of the rides.

Demyx wrote:

If you really can't stand crowds or screaming teenagers, stay away from Downtown Disney's Marketplace

Fixed that for you

Jedi Academy is freaking adorable.

LouZiffer wrote:

Sheez. Don't remind me. It's a crying shame. Seriously.

The thing that keeps me hopeful is the new management. Disney is back to what they do best with the parks: Imagineering. Not the cheaped-up crap that happened under Eisner, but the real deal. When something is broken, they fix it AND improve it! The big ol' area to the left of the Marketplace was never designed to function well, and is a scary place for business owners. They got Splitsville... finally. I'm giving this team the benefit of the doubt.

Sorry for reminding you of the dark times I also want to give this team the benefit of the doubt.

The thing that makes me continually sad is that Disneyland is getting more love than WDW. Especially my beloved EPCOT where the rot has been halted but not reversed. We shall see.

Heck yeah. The food declined horribly under the old regime. (Remember McDonald's fry carts? And those were a GOOD option!) Once again things seem to be going back to what I remember as a child of the 1970's. Now even the "counter service" places have good stuff. If they can get the Commissary at Hollywood Studios to improve, they'll be batting 1.000.

Actually, I think the food was one of the better aspects of the Eisner regime. Of course I did not touch any of the McDonald's grossness but there was some genuinely good stuff, World Showcase kept branching out with more interesting options -- remember that the start of Food and Wine was one of the only good things that happened to EPCOT in this era. A number of the hotels with good options were also a product of this era.

I will never eat at the Commissary again after having the worst meal I've ever had at a Disney resort there. I'll stick to Backlot even if it is infested with mice.

EDIT: Groan, last I heard you need to get signed up for Jedi Academy a half-hour before the show. Definitely check before you go.

shoptroll wrote:

Jedi Academy is freaking adorable.

Here, I found the sign-up instructions: http://allears.net/tp/mgm/jedi_mgm.htm

This is why I love All Ears. And Jedi Academy is the cutest ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5mK7...

EDIT: You were faster with the video. Must be Jedi reflexes :p

Demyx wrote:

EDIT: Groan, last I heard you need to get signed up for Jedi Academy a half-hour before the show. Definitely check before you go.

That's what I've read. EHow has a good guide on what to do to get in.
I'll get there an hour early to get in in if have to. We lined up for 45 minutes to see Lightning and Mater after the HS afternoon parade 4 years ago! We were 5th in line!

groan wrote:

I must successfully get my son in this time. I made him cry because I didn't know that you could not just walk up and sign him up. He was so disappointed!

This time I will get there early, Have us both wearing loud obnoxious starwars shirts, get to the front of the crowd, have him sporting his custom light saber that we bought last time, and get him chosen. I hope. At least we will try, or I will die doing so.
Any tips?

Don't go during an extra magic hours day (more crowds). Show up at opening. Send one adult to get fastpasses at Toy Story while the rest go to casting and sign him up for Jedi Training. We did this in July while there for a conference and got our kids in there 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. If we can do it in July, you can do it in the fall.

Regarding Crowds
I'm an introvert and, as much as I love Disney, crowds sap the energy away. We go in the mornings when the crowds are light, take a break after lunch, and maybe head back for a few hours at night. Our trips are at least a week long, so we take it easy.

There are 4-7 bedroom houses with pool/hot tub just off property around the Indian Ridge subdivision. You can find great deals on them for 1200-2000 per week depending on the size. Off-season the deals are easy to spot. On-season owners will deal with you if it's an empty week that's close in. We've found these are the perfect getaway with family and close friends, and I can recharge faster than in some hotel or resort.

Thanks for the tips. We are probably years away from going as my son couldn't handle it now, but I'll definitely try to keep an open mind and follow the advice here.

Lou, did you do anything special to get them signed up? Did you need to stand in a certain spot? (I read that you need to be along the fence on the left side, having trouble remembering what the area looked like)

If I get this, I will count the trip a resounding success!

Or first trip was all about Cars. we went to Disney with 5 Cars cars and left with over 25. Some were special edition ones only available at the park. He did not care about anything else. That was it. Cars and seeing Lighting and MAter. In the end he got scared because the music blaring out of Lighting was deafening. He still loved it though.

Our second trip was not focused, so much, but when my son saw the inside of the gift shop at Japan at Epcot, he just about flipped.
POKEMON! BAKUGON! and other stuff.
His focus was star wars and Lego. We snagged a great deal on a SW Lego set that was discontinued and marked down. Seems to me that the discontinued sets should be marked UP!

Groan, if he loves Cars, maybe consider Disneyland -- they're opening up an entire Cars Land.

Gift shops at World Showcase are a thing I have always loved.

Demyx wrote:

I loved the Disneyland history museum near the entrance and all the great little historical touches, including the fact that their fireworks show is even a tribute to Disneyland itself. Best fireworks show ever, love it more than Wishes even. I liked that it was so small that I could walk from end to end.

If you were out here for Disneyland's 50th anniversary fireworks display, you've definitely seen the best they've every done. Their currently ones use some of the elements, but not nearly as grand. They really pulled out all the stops on the 50th celebration to really pay tribute to the park.

Demyx wrote:

California Adventure is a total mess though. I'm looking forward to going back and seeing it with Cars Land and World of Color (which was testing while I was there) and hope that the changes make it more... coherent.

California Adventure has always been a mess and likely will be for some time to come. It was a weird decision to build a California-themed park in California. Did people really need a Hollywood-themed area of a park an hour away from the real thing?

Still, California Adventure managed to have some of my favorite attractions at the Disneyland Resort: California Screamin', Disney Animation, Tower of Terror, and the Aladdin Musical. But it just hasn't had enough in it to keep me there all day. I always end up just park-hopping in to ride or see those attractions and then hopping out.

They have been working to add more Disney to the park. California Adventure has picked up all of the Pixar attractions except for Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters, which is in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Not sure how much of an improvement Cars Land will be. Still can't believe they are dedicating such a large area just to one franchise.

Haven't seen World of Color myself, but I'm really disappointed that Disney didn't come up with some way to hide the equipment for it during the day. It look aweful. Hopefully they did something about that with all their recent renovations.

groan wrote:

Lou, did you do anything special to get them signed up? Did you need to stand in a certain spot? (I read that you need to be along the fence on the left side, having trouble remembering what the area looked like)

If I get this, I will count the trip a resounding success!

Or first trip was all about Cars. we went to Disney with 5 Cars cars and left with over 25. Some were special edition ones only available at the park. He did not care about anything else. That was it. Cars and seing Lighting and MAter. In the end he got scared because the music blaring out of Lighting was deafening. He still loved it though.

Our second trip was not focused, so much, but when my son saw the inside of the gift shop at Japan at Epcot, he just about flipped.
POKEMON! BAKUGON! and other stuff.
His focus was star wars and Lego. We snagged a great deal on a SW Lego set that was discontinued and marked down. Seems to me that the discontinued sets should be marked UP!

They don't randomly select from the audience anymore. You sign up for a time slot and are guaranteed a spot.

Check out this map. #3 is where the sign-ups are. Just to the right side of that round bump-out on the building. Ask a cast member there where you can wait in line to sign up.

Do you know about Legoland Florida? It's close by. We went and really enjoyed it though it's definitely more for kids than Disney World, which caters to adults much better. (Not a negative. Just worth knowing.)

Demyx wrote:

Groan, if he loves Cars, maybe consider Disneyland -- they're opening up an entire Cars Land.

Gift shops at World Showcase are a thing I have always loved.

HE still plays with the cars but does not focus on seeing the movie 5 times a day any more. I think we're past that phase. I'd love to see the Cars Land! Some day perhaps.

Mantid wrote:

If you were out here for Disneyland's 50th anniversary fireworks display, you've definitely seen the best they've every done. Their currently ones use some of the elements, but not nearly as grand. They really pulled out all the stops on the 50th celebration to really pay tribute to the park.

Looked this up because I wasn't sure. The show I saw was definitely Remember Dreams Come True which was the 50th anniversary show. According to Wikipedia they still do this show in the spring only for some reason. And it was AMAZING.

California Adventure has always been a mess and likely will be for some time to come. It was a weird decision to build a California-themed park in California. Did people really need a Hollywood-themed area of a park an hour away from the real thing?

I could whine for hours about this decision and how we lost Westcot in the process...

Still, California Adventure managed to have some of my favorite attractions at the Disneyland Resort: California Screamin', Disney Animation, Tower of Terror, and the Aladdin Musical. But it just hasn't had enough in it to keep me there all day. I always end up just park-hopping in to ride or see those attractions and then hopping out.

California Screamin' is nice. Disney Animation is pretty fun. Tower of Terror is a no-go for me because I can't stand the drops

They have been working to add more Disney to the park. California Adventure has picked up all of the Pixar attractions except for Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters, which is in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Not sure how much of an improvement Cars Land will be. Still can't believe they are dedicating such a large area just to one franchise.

More Disney isn't really what I want (I hardly ever get to say this...) Many, if not most, of my favorite park experiences are not explicitly Disney character related but became Disney because of their inclusion in the park. Pirates, Haunted Mansion, ALL of the original EPCOT Center, Kilimanjaro Safaris and more have no connection to existing characters. I wish they would get back to those days, but apparently there is a mandate that all new rides need to involve existing characters. That really hampers the Imagineers and the sooner they repeal it the better.

EDIT: I haven't looked at AllEars in a while, since I'm between trips, but I see that they're finally putting free WiFi in the parks. About damn time.

YES Free WiFi. I read that as well and will be really happy because I wanted to take advantage of the Disney Apps but did not want to pay for Data.

Will be very cool to have that added tool.

That also means smartphones will last longer in the parks. Disney has been a pretty backwards place in the parks and many of the resorts as far as reception and internet service are concerned.

Demyx wrote:
They have been working to add more Disney to the park. California Adventure has picked up all of the Pixar attractions except for Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters, which is in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Not sure how much of an improvement Cars Land will be. Still can't believe they are dedicating such a large area just to one franchise.

More Disney isn't really what I want (I hardly ever get to say this...) Many, if not most, of my favorite park experiences are not explicitly Disney character related but became Disney because of their inclusion in the park. Pirates, Haunted Mansion, ALL of the original EPCOT Center, Kilimanjaro Safaris and more have no connection to existing characters. I wish they would get back to those days, but apparently there is a mandate that all new rides need to involve existing characters. That really hampers the Imagineers and the sooner they repeal it the better.

Oh I agree. But supposedly that was one of the complaints there were getting... that the park didn't have Disney in it. Really, the whole theme of the park was bad from the start and they are just trying to patch it up. "California" is a little narrow and they are slowly moving away from it (Radiator Springs may or may not be in California).

More original rides would be great, but it apparently isn't what people want. Hardly a problem limited to Disney, of course, we see the same thing happening in all forms of entertainment... more of the same getting watered down to a lower denominator every year.

I'll just end this little rant with this:

I've always thought it was sad that Mickey's entire imagination in Fantasmic is limited to Disney cartoons. Watching too many movies will do that to you, I suppose... :p

groan wrote:

YES Free WiFi. I read that as well and will be really happy because I wanted to take advantage of the Disney Apps but did not want to pay for Data.

Will be very cool to have that added tool.

Speaking of Disney Apps, I really wish we'd see more like what they have at the Ikspiari complex at Tokyo Disney. You can pop open your DS and download a temporary app that shows you a complete map and directory of the complex with information on all it's shops and restaurants. What was really cool was that the app triangulated where you were in the complex so you could see exactly where you were standing on the map.

I thought it was cool at least. :p

Mantid wrote:

Oh I agree. But supposedly that was one of the complaints there were getting... that the park didn't have Disney in it. Really, the whole theme of the park was bad from the start and they are just trying to patch it up. "California" is a little narrow and they are slowly moving away from it (Radiator Springs may or may not be in California).

Right, I see what they're doing with it. It's not perfect but it seems to be moving in the right direction which is honestly all I can ask for -- can't expect them to build a billion dollar theme park to my specifications At least the current administration seems to care for more than shops and resorts.

I've always thought it was sad that Mickey's entire imagination in Fantasmic is limited to Disney cartoons. Watching too many movies will do that to you, I suppose... :p

Heh. Look at it this way -- Mickey Mouse has always been a representation of Walt Disney himself, so of course his imagination is filled with Disney cartoons

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I agree they need to do a better job on Disney apps. I don't know why they've always been so far behind when it comes to the Internet.

jonfentyler wrote:

I grew up 45 minutes away from disney, but my parents refused to take me again after my 8th birthday. They took me to the Magic Kingdom and I spent nearly the entire day crying after experiencing the most terrifying ride ever. Snow White's Scary Adventure. I didn't ride it again until I was 18 and in high school. I told my girlfriend at the time (now my wife) about my experience as an 8 year old and she laughed for the duration of the ride. Lucky for me I won't have to worry about it when we go back in October.

When I was 10, I went with my family and laughed a kid who came out of Snow White crying. Sure enough I'm bawling when I finish riding it. Whatever side I was on is the one where the queen is constantly popping up right in your face. So close she may as well hop in the cart with you. (You usually have to pay for that action.) Also, there was a crocodile too.

I went a couple times in high school, but two years ago I went for the first time unchaperoned. And since it was with adult friends, none of us having children, we were not chaperones. I can't recommend a better way to go. So much fun. And I returned to Snow White:

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(Photo is from facebook so your work's firewall may be blocking it.)

LouZiffer wrote:

You never know when there might be soft/test openings. Check just in case. We plan on being at Disney for the first two weeks of November. Starting October 29.
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That should be the 20th... If not we have some scheduling issues...

Yellek wrote:
LouZiffer wrote:

You never know when there might be soft/test openings. Check just in case. We plan on being at Disney for the first two weeks of November. Starting October 29.
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That should be the 20th... If not we have some scheduling issues... :)

You're right, Yellek. It is the 20th, and I had a calendar right in front of me.

I blame NASA, the Olympics, and the jello between my ears. Mostly the jello.