Prometheus - Spoilery thread of Spoilers

Hypatian wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all.

Uh. That was in the movie.

Where? And what's the context? I don't recall it at all.

DSGamer wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all.

Uh. That was in the movie.

Where? And what's the context? I don't recall it at all.

Theron's character had a conversation with her father about death. I think it occurred just after he donned his walking assist thing.

DSGamer wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all.

Uh. That was in the movie.

Where? And what's the context? I don't recall it at all.

It's when Vickers is talking to Weyland, right before she kisses his hand.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
DSGamer wrote:
Hypatian wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

The US trailer has that nonsense about a king, etc. that may or may not be in the Director's cut, but thematically makes no sense at all.

Uh. That was in the movie.

Where? And what's the context? I don't recall it at all.

It's when Vickers is talking to Weyland, right before she kisses his hand.

Right after Omar shows up. "You come at the king, you best not miss."

I believe the theme I heard in Prometheus a couple times starts at 2:15 in the below video. At any rate, there was something pretty similar.

They used the music from Alien in the part where the recorded message of Weyland was telling them about the mission.

Heheh... this is exactly what I was thinking when this scene happened (and pretty much every other movie where this happens).

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I like that Shaw did just that, but then the thing still toppled over in her direction. The fact that that enormous ship stopped on the little rocky outcropping she was laying against, instead of perhaps collapsing under its own massive weight and inertia and thus filling that space in which she was laying was perhaps a bit convenient, though. Still, it's a movie. And a pretty damned good one, if you ask me.

Ridley Scott cannot make a bad movie. Even his worst is still better than most.

Has anyone had a theory about the damn zombie? was that some other movie just wandering around looking for a home.

Cobble wrote:

Has anyone had a theory about the damn zombie? was that some other movie just wandering around looking for a home.

That's what the black goo will do to a human. I believe that's what Holloway would've become eventually.

Really, It wont birth a belly monster? That's what I assumed it would do. or something of the like anyway if not exactly that.

The belly monster was the result of Holloway impregnating Shaw.

NSMike wrote:
Cobble wrote:

Has anyone had a theory about the damn zombie? was that some other movie just wandering around looking for a home.

That's what the black goo will do to a human. I believe that's what Holloway would've become eventually.

My assumption as well. In the case of Mohawk The Punk Geologist, it just happened faster because the acidy goo and melting helmet killed him immediately, whereas Holloway was a slow burn (until Theron's character turned it to a fast burn).

Also, was there no explanation of what happened to Biologist Glasses Guy after the worm thing got him? I didn't even think about it after seeing what the Giant OctoBaby Face Hugger did to the Engineer, but if that resulted in a not-quite-Xenopmorph Xenomorph, what then came out of Biologist Glasses Guy's belly after getting a goo-infested creature down the throat as well...?

NSMike wrote:

The belly monster was the result of Holloway impregnating Shaw.

Yeah, I didnt mean that. I was perhaps thinking too close along the "Alien" line. Not being overly familiar with the lore (not having seen any alien movie for a goodly long time) that's where my brain went with it.

Cobble wrote:
NSMike wrote:

The belly monster was the result of Holloway impregnating Shaw.

Yeah, I didnt mean that. I was perhaps thinking too close along the "Alien" line. Not being overly familiar with the lore (not having seen any alien movie for a goodly long time) that's where my brain went with it.

Seems like the goo takes a couple of generations to stabilize. First gen is melty/zombie. Second gen is tentacles/parasite. Third gen is stable aliens.

The black goo is applied phlebotinum.

Cobble wrote:
NSMike wrote:

The belly monster was the result of Holloway impregnating Shaw.

Yeah, I didnt mean that. I was perhaps thinking too close along the "Alien" line. Not being overly familiar with the lore (not having seen any alien movie for a goodly long time) that's where my brain went with it.

The Alien lineage is not entirely clear. Assuming the derelict seen in Alien is different than the ship that crashes here (which is also not entirely clear), we have a potentially entirely different Alien lineage being formed here. The experiments are, however, along the same lines, presumably. There are too many inexplicable, unanswered questions here, though.

Regardless, here's what we see in this movie, as I recall:

1. Black goo is discovered, appears, based on the worms, to react with living tissue. We see Xenomorph worms. I put it in the same line as the Xenomorph because of the acidic blood.
2. David gives black goo to Holloway, and incidentally, geologist dude is infected as well.
3. Holloway impregnates Shaw. Shaw's "baby" becomes first face-hugger, or a proto-face-hugger, if you will.
4. Geologist dude comes back to screw with the ship for a while.
5. Proto-face-hugger takes Enginner/Space Jockey out to lunch, and eventually spawns some type of Xenomorph. Not quite the alien we get in the Alien, but close.

Then, in Alien, we see a ship full of eggs, and a Space Jockey in the control chair of the derelict where a chest-burster has popped. We skipped the genesis of these aliens in the way we got it in Prometheus, so who knows why it started out that way on this ship.

Yeah, I'm not convinced the creature at the end of Prometheus is directly connected to the ship on LV-426. I saw it more as a confirmation that Engineer biotech can produce Xenomorphs, rather than an attempt to establish a direct link between Prometheus and Alien.

It amuses me to think of Prometheus's Xenomorph as Aperture Science, and Alien's Xenomorph as Black Mesa. Since one used those weird containers, and the other uses eggs, it almost seems like two different "companies" were contracted to produce the Xenomorph and came about it via different methods.

They do what they must, because they can.

muttonchop wrote:

They do what they must, because they can.

That may be the best explanation for this movie yet, actually.

NSMike wrote:
muttonchop wrote:

They do what they must, because they can.

That may be the best explanation for this movie yet, actually.

So delicious and moist.

Whoa, I totally missed that the zombie dude was the geologist. For some reason, I thought it was the burned up Holloway. I guess that was just because both the flamethrower stuff and the zombie stuff happened in the same area. I is a stupid.

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I disagree with that chart. We have no evidence that the goo at the beginning of the movie was the same as the goo on the horseshoe ship later in the movie.

NSMike wrote:

I disagree with that chart. We have no evidence that the goo at the beginning of the movie was the same as the goo on the horseshoe ship later in the movie.

Good point. Plus, isn't it still implied that there was some evolution going on regardless? What about neanderthals? I'm assuming black goo alien DNA didn't jump into bacteria and sprout humans right out of the river.

The only thing I got out of combining an Engineer and the Goo is that it melts Engineers. Granted, it might be a different Goo that he drank in the beginning of the movie, but that would mean that Scott did an absolutely horrible job of exposition, which, judging from the rest of the film, simply isn't the case. (Maybe not a perfect job, but a decent one at least).

Now, if that graphic is meant to imply that Engineers used Goo to create humans, that's just not true. At least, there's no evidence anywhere to support that. All instances of the Goo showed it as destructive or inciting destruction/violence.

The opening sequence of the film is meant, I believe, to portray that the Engineer in question was on primordial earth, drank the goo, disintegrated, and had his DNA recombined into what would become Human DNA. Seeding the primordial soup, as it were.

NSMike wrote:

I disagree with that chart. We have no evidence that the goo at the beginning of the movie was the same as the goo on the horseshoe ship later in the movie.

There's also no direct evidence to suggest that the containers in the cargo hold of the ship actually have black goo in them, that it's the same black goo as what the crew has encountered to that point, or even that the black goo in the containers in that one room is all the same kind of black goo. But usually movies make certain assumptions about continuity for the sake of a smooth narrative, so while no one ever says "this same goo was used millions of years ago!" it seems safe to think it's the same stuff.