NFL 2012 Draft Thread

Grumpicus wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I hear Texas could use more football. Austin is such a nice city too.

Never happen. San Antonio, on the other hand...

After recent displays of spurs fandom, I say ug.

Grumpicus wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I hear Texas could use more football. Austin is such a nice city too.

Never happen. San Antonio, on the other hand...

The Alamodome is a completely suitable temporary home for an NFL team while a new stadium is agreed upon and constructed.

Grumpicus wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I hear Texas could use more football. Austin is such a nice city too.

Never happen. San Antonio, on the other hand...

I agree completely. I don't think Austin could support an NFL team, but San Antonio wants one and is much larger. SA has no major college team and is less than an hour from Austin, although I have no idea how many folks would make that drive. Not that they are needed.

And Boogle: What's wrong with Spurs fans? From what I can tell, San Antonians are nuts about the Spurs. But then, that is their only major sports team. After that, there's just the WNBA and various minor-league or second-tier league (NASL) teams.

Legion would support the entire Jaguars organization.

I have a hard time imagining Jerry Jones being fine with another Texas team and poaching away some of his fanbase; he's a big enough figure in the league to where I'd guess he has some effective veto power over that sort of thing.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I hear Texas could use more football. Austin is such a nice city too.

Never happen. San Antonio, on the other hand...

I agree completely. I don't think Austin could support an NFL team, but San Antonio wants one and is much larger. SA has no major college team and is less than an hour from Austin, although I have no idea how many folks would make that drive. Not that they are needed.

Not needed, but certainly having Austin in the extended market area adds to an already pretty strong case for the 7th largest city in the US, which is outside the extended market areas of the other NFL cities in the state.

Especially when you take into account the growth rates of those cities and the area at large. Jacksonville was awarded the NFL based in no small part to the area's projected growth, which in practice fell short of the booming expectations. San Antonio/Austin, besides already being much bigger, are living out their population boom right now.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I have a hard time imagining Jerry Jones being fine with another Texas team and poaching away some of his fanbase; he's a big enough figure in the league to where I'd guess he has some effective veto power over that sort of thing.

In the past, I could see this.

In Roger Goodell's NFL, I don't see the league office bending if Goodell decides entering San Antonio is what the league wants.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I have a hard time imagining Jerry Jones being fine with another Texas team and poaching away some of his fanbase; he's a big enough figure in the league to where I'd guess he has some effective veto power over that sort of thing.

In the past, I could see this.

In Roger Goodell's NFL, I don't see the league office bending if Goodell decides entering San Antonio is what the league wants.

Possibly, but it does seem like L.A. is likely to go first, as they have a current stadium push at least. Since the Vikings are staying put (I'm still shocked by that one) and Khaaaaaaaaaaan has said he wants to keep the Jags in J-Ville, that really leaves only the Rams as move candidates, and L.A. obviously just makes buckets of sense there. So, maybe the Jags down the road, or Chargers have an issue possibly (though once there's a stadium in L.A., two teams seems very feasible). Just not sure where the San Antonio team comes from.

At any rate, it's probably far off enough in the future that Jerry Jones dies off, and his wishes are no longer a concern. It's not like his kid will have the same pull with other owners. Don't you need a reasonable number of owners approving the relocation? This isn't just Goodell.

I'm in favor of fewer bandwagon Cowboys fans, so if moving a team to San Antonio gets that done...any team is a candidate except the Texans. Or the Cowboys, I guess. That would have the opposite effect.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Possibly, but it does seem like L.A. is likely to go first, as they have a current stadium push at least.

I agree with this. Although it wouldn't be the first time a city jumped the line.

The big compelling thing about San Antonio, if someone were to make a move in the near term, is the presence of a facility capable of hosting the team right now. The Alamodome isn't up to NFL standards for a permanent home, but it certainly would be sufficient as a short-term home while a new facility is built.

Since the Vikings are staying put (I'm still shocked by that one)

Yes, they are ruining my plans.

and Khaaaaaaaaaaan has said he wants to keep the Jags in J-Ville

I don't have much faith in this. I did believe Wayne Weaver when he said he was committed to staying in Jacksonville (and I still believe he was 100% sincere in saying that). But I don't believe Khan's commitment to Jacksonville extends beyond the necessary lip-service that must be paid until a move actually is an imminent reality. After all, if he says he's interested in moving now, fans will stop supporting the team and 2012 ticket sales disappear.

that really leaves only the Rams as move candidates, and L.A. obviously just makes buckets of sense there. So, maybe the Jags down the road, or Chargers have an issue possibly (though once there's a stadium in L.A., two teams seems very feasible). Just not sure where the San Antonio team comes from.

The best chance will probably be if nobody moves. Goodell has said that they may consider looking to expansion to fill LA. And he said that if they do, they'll be expanding to 34 teams, not 33. San Antonio would be a sensible, immediately workable landing spot for expansion team #2.

No serious talks of expansion as of yet, but that could change if the LA stadium groups run out of candidates for existing teams to lure out west.

That said, Rams or Chargers to LA and Jags to San Antonio, or Jags to LA and someone else to San Antonio, works for me.

Not that I wouldn't love to see two more teams in the NFL, but I really don't see how you can have 34 teams in this league. I would imagine each conference gets 1 team, which means each conference will have 1 division with 5 teams. Even baseball is trying to do away with uneven divisions due to the fact that divisions with less teams give those teams a better chance to win a division. Also, scheduling comes into play, where 5-team divisions have fewer out of division games. I think we'll see relocation before we see expansion.

Kush15 wrote:

Not that I wouldn't love to see two more teams in the NFL, but I really don't see how you can have 34 teams in this league. I would imagine each conference gets 1 team, which means each conference will have 1 division with 5 teams. Even baseball is trying to do away with uneven divisions due to the fact that divisions with less teams give those teams a better chance to win a division. Also, scheduling comes into play, where 5-team divisions have fewer out of division games. I think we'll see relocation before we see expansion.

When it comes to the NFL's priorities, I can almost guarantee that extending the game's reach to new markets will take precedence over scheduling ease, or concerns about fairness with uneven divisions (the league had uneven divisions from the AFL merger in 1970 up until the Jacksonville and Carolina expansion in 1995, and again with the new Browns in 1999 until Houston 1977-1995 and again from 1999 until 2002).

Justin Blackmon got a DUI. The future is looking bright for the Jags.

Wonderful, just what I needed.

Can a 1st round Jaguar WR ever not get in trouble with alcohol or drugs?

R. Jay Soward, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, and now Blackmon.

Well screw you Blackmon, because I am 14 wins deep into the Kings run for the Stanley Cup. Your crap will have to wait for later.

Karma for all those Kenny Britt funnies you had last year.

Honestly, it could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. DUI's are not hard to get, especially if it is in an unfamiliar area.

I don't know the details but there is a difference between having a BAL of .1% in your new neighborhood 3000 miles from home and BAL .17% doing donuts in the Target parking lot at 3 am located in the city you spent most your life in.

edit: nm .27% BAL and an aggravated DUI charge...

fangblackbone wrote:

Honestly, it could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. DUI's are not hard to get, especially if it is in an unfamiliar area.

I don't know the details but there is a difference between having a BAL of .1% in your new neighborhood 3000 miles from home and BAL .17% doing donuts in the Target parking lot at 3 am located in the city you spent most your life in.

edit: nm .27% BAL and an aggravated DUI charge...

They're not that hard to avoid either:

Did you drink?
No: Drive
Yes: Don't Drive

Kush15 wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Honestly, it could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. DUI's are not hard to get, especially if it is in an unfamiliar area.

I don't know the details but there is a difference between having a BAL of .1% in your new neighborhood 3000 miles from home and BAL .17% doing donuts in the Target parking lot at 3 am located in the city you spent most your life in.

edit: nm .27% BAL and an aggravated DUI charge...

They're not that hard to avoid either:

Did you drink?
No: Drive
Yes: Don't Drive

8-)

This is my view on DUIs. If you've been drinking, don't. Just easier that way.

Kush15 wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Honestly, it could be making a mountain out of a mole hill. DUI's are not hard to get, especially if it is in an unfamiliar area.

I don't know the details but there is a difference between having a BAL of .1% in your new neighborhood 3000 miles from home and BAL .17% doing donuts in the Target parking lot at 3 am located in the city you spent most your life in.

edit: nm .27% BAL and an aggravated DUI charge...

They're not that hard to avoid either:

Did you drink?
No: Drive
Yes: Don't Drive

8-)

LOL!

Not to mention that how trivially easy it would be for clubs to provide a 24/7 on-call service for players who are going to be going out drinking somewhere. 2 clubs already do so, IIRC.

A lot of these players are going from university, where they probably don't have much opportunity to drink to a situation where they have more money than god (as compared to before they got signed) and the majority of them don't have a clue how to deal with it, and they won't have anyone in their "posse" (or whatever their hangers-ons are called) who is willing to slap the player upside the head and say "You just downed a bottle of tequila in the last hour. Getting in your 'vette is probably not the best idea you idjit!!"

mudbunny wrote:

A lot of these players are going from university, where they probably don't have much opportunity to drink...

That's an opinion I never thought I'd see.

peedmyself wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

A lot of these players are going from university, where they probably don't have much opportunity to drink...

That's an opinion I never thought I'd see.

From what I have read, the restrictions placed on University football players who are on scholarships are fairly strict, and that while they may have the opportunity to drink, it is very tempered by the loss of their scholarship, plus that for most (all??) states, the drinking age is 21, so many of them might not be legal throughout a good portion of their university career.

In our previous sietch, we fremen lived next to a townhouse full of loud single guys. On serious drinking nights, they would call a cab to pick them up and take them to the destination of their dissipation.

It is my understanding that all teams/the league has a car service for their players. Plus these guys have plenty of money to call a damn cab.

mudbunny wrote:
peedmyself wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

A lot of these players are going from university, where they probably don't have much opportunity to drink...

That's an opinion I never thought I'd see.

From what I have read, the restrictions placed on University football players who are on scholarships are fairly strict, and that while they may have the opportunity to drink, it is very tempered by the loss of their scholarship, plus that for most (all??) states, the drinking age is 21, so many of them might not be legal throughout a good portion of their university career.

Not to bag on you, but peed makes a good point. Restrictions in college are made to be broken, and being legal has nothing to do with much of anything in a college town. Even in the dorms I last spent time in(USAF), there were always folks getting busted for underage drinking, and you'd think some of them would have more sense, given that there's job loss and hard labor at stake.

One of the football geek holy grails arrives next year.

All-22 film available via NFL Game Rewind.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

One of the football geek holy grails arrives next year.

All-22 film available via NFL Game Rewind.

This will be great not only for the fan experience, but this is mana from heaven for people like Football Outsiders and ProFootballFocus. They will be able to analyze much better than ever before.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
One of the football geek holy grails arrives next year.
All-22 film available via NFL Game Rewind.

This will be great not only for the fan experience, but this is mana from heaven for people like Football Outsiders and ProFootballFocus. They will be able to analyze much better than ever before.

Awesome. Pretty reasonably priced too, I thought they'd charge $100+. Now I can agonize over every whiffed James Carpenter block and blown coverage again and again!

Yeah, I'm stoked. Used this last year and enjoyed it, now it's more awesome ... except the whole waiting a day thing.