NFL 2011-2012 Off-Season Pre-Draft Catch-All

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Reports are saying Peyton's likely to make a decision within the week. That's faster than I was expecting.

If he wants his team to be competitive, he needs to sign quickly and allow them to be active in chasing other free agents.

I believe he actually cares about that sort of thing, rather than pulling an it's-all-about-me Brett Favre move.

Yeah, I understand the underlying motivation, he said as much at the conference, but it still seems fast. I guess when we're talking about your livelihood and the fact it's not as if the man doesn't know the teams he's visiting than a week isn't that long, but it just seems so damn fast.

garion333 wrote:

Yeah, I understand the underlying motivation, he said as much at the conference, but it still seems fast. I guess when we're talking about your livelihood and the fact it's not as if the man doesn't know the teams he's visiting than a week isn't that long, but it just seems so damn fast.

If I'm cynical, I would say that he knows that he's the "hot ticket" right now, and that it would be best to strike before everyone starts cooling down and dwelling on things like him being a 36-year-old quarterback coming off a neck injury.

TheGameguru wrote:

sorry.. there can be only one Pie Face.

Yet, there is Eli, Peyton and Rivers that have been called "Pie Face" on the NFL threads. I still don't get the meaning of "Pie Face". Because he makes a stupid face every now and then? If that means you win two Super Bowls, that's awesome.

And by the way, anyone who has called these men "Pie Face", wishes they had their lifestyle. Hell, I'd change my name to Pie Face on my birth certificate if I could have career in sports. I'd even play for the Eagles.

Good news, Jaguars fans! You get to keep Guy Whimper around for a while longer!

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Good news, Jaguars fans! You get to keep Guy Whimper around for a while longer!

Here ya go Legion:

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*sigh*

The team better draft another tackle. Eben Britton can't stay healthy to save his life, and I cannot live through another season of Whimper Gets Gabbert Killed.

Guess what? Rams trade the #2 pick to the Skins. No joke this time.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...

Holy bananaskins. They gave up a LOT.

Leroyog wrote:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...

Holy bananaskins. They gave up a LOT.

only thing that makes sense to me is that they are afraid Miami doesn't get Peyton they make huge run at 2nd pick?

they just gave up 3 picks to move up 4 spots o_0

edit:

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story/...

is also funny. NFL is loving this. Redskins were like 2nd on this yesterday and moved to 7th then right off the board after this news I guess.

Washington was never really an option. There's enough demand for Peyton that he can go somewhere where he won't be a division rival with his brother.

He's said that he'd really prefer not to be in the NFC at all. In the AFC, their teams would never be competing against each other for playoff spots, or matched up in the playoffs unless both teams made the Super Bowl. I think they like being able to have success not come at the other's expense.

Peyton's not writing off the NFC entirely, but the NFC East would have just been too much.

Leroyog wrote:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...

Holy bananaskins. They gave up a LOT.

Now there's the Washington Redskins we've come to know and love.

A swap of 1st rounders this year, plus two 1sts (2013 and 2014) and a 2nd (this year).

That's some nice ammo for Snead and Fisher to build a team with.

Gotta love the Redskins 3 First Round picks...to move up 4 spots.

I'll do it ...

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I would rather have Raheem Morris coach the Bucs for the next ten years than have Daniel Snyder as my team's owner.

TheGameguru wrote:

Gotta love the Redskins 3 First Round picks...to move up 4 spots.

Technically it's 2, as they give up 3 but get one in return.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I would rather have Raheem Morris coach the Bucs for the next ten years than have Daniel Snyder as my team's owner.

I don't disagree, but at the same time, I don't think the price is too high to get a franchise QB in today's NFL.

We see QB have-not teams with high 1st round picks every year. Teams in those position would absolutely be better off giving up those picks if they get a real decade-long franchise QB in return.

Of course, it's damn hard to be sure who the franchise QBs are before they've played. The 'Skins must be absolutely sure RG3 is going to be that caliber of player. For what they paid, they better be right.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I would rather have Raheem Morris coach the Bucs for the next ten years than have Daniel Snyder as my team's owner.

I don't disagree, but at the same time, I don't think the price is too high to get a franchise QB in today's NFL.

We see QB have-not teams with high 1st round picks every year. Teams in those position would absolutely be better off giving up those picks if they get a real decade-long franchise QB in return.

Of course, it's damn hard to be sure who the franchise QBs are before they've played. The 'Skins must be absolutely sure RG3 is going to be that caliber of player. For what they paid, they better be right.

Shanny has been dreaming of a new Elway. Now he's got an athletic QB again. He's gotta be happy.

ugh

It was a dream come true for the Rams.

They desperately wanted that pick produce multiple players. They still have a shot at Blackmon. The Redskins blow, so their picks the next two years could've pretty good.

For a team that already has their franchise QB, the Rams are set-up build over the three drafts.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I would rather have Raheem Morris coach the Bucs for the next ten years than have Daniel Snyder as my team's owner.

I don't disagree, but at the same time, I don't think the price is too high to get a franchise QB in today's NFL.

We see QB have-not teams with high 1st round picks every year. Teams in those position would absolutely be better off giving up those picks if they get a real decade-long franchise QB in return.

Of course, it's damn hard to be sure who the franchise QBs are before they've played. The 'Skins must be absolutely sure RG3 is going to be that caliber of player. For what they paid, they better be right.

IIRC, Todd "Epic Doucheface" McShay had Griffin ranked as WR prospect prior to last season. Now, I can't stand McShay and he gets off on being overtly different and disagreeing with Kiper, but the point is nobody was expecting RGIII to have the year he had. He has one year of utter, mind-boggling excellence, and that's not enough of a resume to make this vaguely worth it. Largely because you are the Redskins, and your offense simply sucks. Name me a player anywhere on that offense you'd want on the Jags; Fred Davis or Chris Cooley, maybe? The offensive line is awful, the WRs aren't good, and Shanahan's "anybody can play RB for me" magic doesn't appear to be working outside of his old Denver days with a great o-line.

The NFL has for years been a draft-driven league, where you build your talent gradually via solid drafting, and grab FA pieces when you can. Free agency has never been a panacea, particularly for the Redskins, who, as they have no draft picks, will have to build via free agency. And what could possibly go wrong with that?

No first-rounders for the next two years? Listen, maybe RGIII turns into the best QB in the league in short order, but here's the thing--he HAS to, or this is "Herschel Walker" bad. The Rams are going to wind up with high picks the next two years. This is the best day since the SB win for Rams fans.

Paleocon wrote:

ugh

Soon as I saw this on Twitter, I knew that your fears had come true.

Still, RG III! Could be fun.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

He has one year of utter, mind-boggling excellence, and that's not enough of a resume to make this vaguely worth it.

That's what Cam Newton's resume was.

Name me a player anywhere on that offense you'd want on the Jags; Fred Davis or Chris Cooley, maybe? The offensive line is awful, the WRs aren't good, and Shanahan's "anybody can play RB for me" magic doesn't appear to be working outside of his old Denver days with a great o-line. The NFL has for years been a draft-driven league, where you build your talent gradually via solid drafting, and grab FA pieces when you can. Free agency has never been a panacea, particularly for the Redskins, who, as they have no draft picks, will have to build via free agency. And what could possibly go wrong with that?

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you, but if you ask me if I'd rather have a franchise QB and no draft picks, or draft picks and no franchise QB, I will take the former every single time. Let me have Drew Brees or Tom Brady and their corps of largely disposable WRs (Brady's had a couple of good ones in later years in Moss and Welker, but his first two rings were won throwing to utter scrubs).

I'd rather take my chances building my WR and RB groups in later rounds than I would my QBs. WR in particular I think is a position that you attack with quantity instead of quality - draft a lot of later round guys and find the ones that stick. And there are tons of RBs in later rounds, even if it's just guys that are short-term productive or purely rotational.

The NFL has purposely made the game revolve around the QB more than ever before. You're not wrong in stating that it's hard to build a team with no draft picks, but IMO it's worse being a QB have-not. It's just guaranteed mediocrity. It means you're Jacksonville or Minnesota - no matter how dominant you are on the ground or how well you can play defense, you're going to be a lower-level playoff team on your best years, and not even that the rest of the time.

I don't like it one bit but that's what the modern NFL looks like. I'm hoping for a pendulum swing back in the other direction, but we'll see.

No first-rounders for the next two years? Listen, maybe RGIII turns into the best QB in the league in short order, but here's the thing--he HAS to, or this is "Herschel Walker" bad.

And you're right about this too. It's a bold, swing for the fences move, and anything less than RG3 being a legitimate franchise QB is a horrible failure.

Looks like the Giants are releasing Brandon Jacobs. Should be interesting to see if there's any interest in a 29 yr old bruiser with a mouth.

I can't wait for work on Monday to see what people think about the Broncos courting Peyton.

And the more I think about it, the more I believe the Rams are geniuses.

garion333 wrote:

And the more I think about it, the more I believe the Rams are geniuses.

There is a bit of greediness in the air in St. Louis. A lot of fans think if they had waited they could have gotten more.

I think they made out like bandits, and waiting was a risk not worth taking.

Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:

And the more I think about it, the more I believe the Rams are geniuses.

There is a bit of greediness in the air in St. Louis. A lot of fans think if they had waited they could have gotten more.

I think they made out like bandits, and waiting was a risk not worth taking.

Agreed. King's Effin Ransom in my opinion.

If the Rams weren't in the NFC West, I'd be applauding. Instead I'm gritting my teeth and wondering if this will be the best division in football in a few years - the 49ers and Seahawks are young teams with a lot of upside and now that the Rams have competent management they may start drafting non-busts.

Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:

And the more I think about it, the more I believe the Rams are geniuses.

There is a bit of greediness in the air in St. Louis. A lot of fans think if they had waited they could have gotten more.

I think they made out like bandits, and waiting was a risk not worth taking.

According to the chart the Redskins "Over-Paid" by a 2014 First Round. So I think St. Louis did really well.

Reports are saying that if Peyton goes to the Broncos then Tebow will be traded. They also say that one of the interested teams in Tebow is the Jaguars.

Now, this may simply be a rumor because of the whole Tebow/Florida/sell tickets thing, but I thought I'd mention it for Legion's sake.

Now, if we can just arrange for the site to go down, this might be the double whammy we need to finally kill Legion.

garion333 wrote:

Reports are saying that if Peyton goes to the Broncos then Tebow will be traded. They also say that one of the interested teams in Tebow is the Jaguars.

Now, this may simply be a rumor because of the whole Tebow/Florida/sell tickets thing, but I thought I'd mention it for Legion's sake.

Tebow! Whimper!

Jaguars fever--catch it!