NFL 2011-2012 Off-Season Pre-Draft Catch-All

*Legion* wrote:

Just in response to the logic of that ...

Yeah, fair point.

Fun with video-game themed Tim Tebow photoshopping. And also starring some guys from New Orleans.

Ron Jaworski has signed a new contract with ESPN, which will put him on all sorts of shows. Except MNF. Ron Jaworski is done on MNF, and it's going to be Tirico and Gruden. Say it with me:

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Could be worse. They could be bringing back Kornheiser, or God forbid Dennis Miller.

Meh. I love Jaworksi when he breaks down film. I don't love him so much in the booth. Plus Gruden was pretty much hogging the mike. Some nights, I'd hear Jaws break in and think, "Huh, Jaworski is working tonight."

Aw, poor Jaws.

Enix wrote:

Meh. I love Jaworksi when he breaks down film. I don't love him so much in the booth.

I agree with this. Of course, I pretty much hate everyone except Mayock, so...

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Meh. I love Jaworksi when he breaks down film. I don't love him so much in the booth.

I agree with this. Of course, I pretty much hate everyone except Mayock, so...

I don't get it. I guess Mayock might know a lot/be good at breaking things down, but every time I have heard him in the booth it has not been good.

I agree with Enix that Gruden totally hogs the mic, I wish he would get out of the booth because he is just annoying.

LeapingGnome wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Meh. I love Jaworksi when he breaks down film. I don't love him so much in the booth.

I agree with this. Of course, I pretty much hate everyone except Mayock, so...

I don't get it. I guess Mayock might know a lot/be good at breaking things down, but every time I have heard him in the booth it has not been good.

Mayock's not the most animated announcer, nor does he have that special announcer quality to his voice. But most announcers simply repeat in words what my eyes just saw on the screen. Mayock does a fantastic job of pointing out the important bits of what you're unable to see because of the crappy antiquated side perspective TV camera view. He also has crazy eagle eyes. A play will happen, and in the short 15 second replay before the next play, he'll break down some small detail in the blocking game, and I'll shake my head and ask my TV, "how the hell did you see that in real time?".

On the plus side, Jaws' "NFL Playbook" (do I have the name right?) is coming back. I hope it gets a better time slot than 8 a.m. Sunday or whenever it was on.

Enix wrote:

On the plus side, Jaws' "NFL Playbook" (do I have the name right?) is coming back. I hope it gets a better time slot than 8 a.m. Sunday or whenever it was on.

Do those shows even have time slots?

I remember trying to DVR them a few years ago. The first pain was that ESPN doesn't tag shows as new or repeats, and they deserve to burn in Hades for that. (At least as recently as a year ago - trying to record E:60 meant I had a dozen repeat recordings I had to delete every time).

So as an alternative, I tried to set manual recordings by time, and was never able to determine an actual time slot.

Yeah I try to watch Sports Reporters on Sun mornings but it has switched times and channels 3-4 times the last year. Sometimes they have reruns on ESPNNews, sometimes ESPN2, really annoying.

*Legion* wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

Meh. I love Jaworksi when he breaks down film. I don't love him so much in the booth.

I agree with this. Of course, I pretty much hate everyone except Mayock, so...

I don't get it. I guess Mayock might know a lot/be good at breaking things down, but every time I have heard him in the booth it has not been good.

Mayock's not the most animated announcer, nor does he have that special announcer quality to his voice. But most announcers simply repeat in words what my eyes just saw on the screen. Mayock does a fantastic job of pointing out the important bits of what you're unable to see because of the crappy antiquated side perspective TV camera view. He also has crazy eagle eyes. A play will happen, and in the short 15 second replay before the next play, he'll break down some small detail in the blocking game, and I'll shake my head and ask my TV, "how the hell did you see that in real time?".

I can see that, but he is just too wooden for me. And when they want him to talk about statistics all he does is literally read the graph that is shown on the screen, it is like thanks I didn't need you to read to me. I think we just look for different things from announcers.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I think we just look for different things from announcers. :)

Most of the time, I literally don't want announcers there at all. Given the choice between a booth broadcast or field mics, I would take field mics for audio every time.

I once watched a game where the booth audio cut out, and it was glorious. I would MUCH rather just hear the same thing the people in the crowd hear.

Mayock I like because if I have to hear someone yap over the game, I at least want to hear some worthwhile insight.

Although, once in a while, Gus Johnson going mental is OK.

What you need in this era of high tech are multiple sound channels to pick from:

1) Announcers
2) Field noise

Etc. Everyone wins!

*Legion* wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

I think we just look for different things from announcers. :)

Most of the time, I literally don't want announcers there at all. Given the choice between a booth broadcast or field mics, I would take field mics for audio every time.

I once watched a game where the booth audio cut out, and it was glorious. I would MUCH rather just hear the same thing the people in the crowd hear.

Mayock I like because if I have to hear someone yap over the game, I at least want to hear some worthwhile insight.

Although, once in a while, Gus Johnson going mental is OK.

I find the local team radio announcers are 100x better then the on-air guys.

fangblackbone wrote:
I find the local team radio announcers are 100x better then the on-air guys.

Probably because they don't over analyze replays. They recall the impression a big play made and don't just replay the footage and add their own soundtrack.

I actually find the naked homerism of local radio guys impossible to listen to; it's like an endless line of home-team Dan Dierdorfs. I genuinely like and appreciate good TV people; I really dig Jaworski, Mayock, Collinsworth, and Brian Billick (who sucked when he started, but has been quite good the last couple years). Jaws leaving the booth really pisses me off, because I had a regularly-scheduled time with him every week, and I'm not going to sit through two hours of Chris Berman yammering just to hear some analysis by Jaws. I want to hear him in the booth, talking about geeky details, every week.

I find the local team radio announcers are 100x better then the on-air guys.

Probably because they don't over analyze replays. They recall the impression a big play made and don't just replay the footage and add their own soundtrack.

This is one of the things I like a lot about Collinsworth on TV. It will be some 60 yard pass play and his comment will be, "Did you see the blitz pickup by Gore? He took on one of the best DL's in the league. Someone a head taller and 100 lbs heavier. If he misses that block, Smith doesn't have the time to make that throw."

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:
I find the local team radio announcers are 100x better then the on-air guys.

Probably because they don't over analyze replays. They recall the impression a big play made and don't just replay the footage and add their own soundtrack.

I actually find the naked homerism of local radio guys impossible to listen to; it's like an endless line of home-team Dan Dierdorfs. I genuinely like and appreciate good TV people; I really dig Jaworski, Mayock, Collinsworth, and Brian Billick (who sucked when he started, but has been quite good the last couple years). Jaws leaving the booth really pisses me off, because I had a regularly-scheduled time with him every week, and I'm not going to sit through two hours of Chris Berman yammering just to hear some analysis by Jaws. I want to hear him in the booth, talking about geeky details, every week.

Jaworski wrote:

*slurp slurp* SEE THAT QB! ON A 3 STEP DROP HE ROCKETS ONE TO HIS RECEIVER*resumes actually blowing some mediocre QB*

I'm still amazed people like Collinsworth.. must be an outside Philly thing..

I don't mind the homerism of local guys; that's what local guys are for. The guy who does the call in Houston is on the morning drive show that I listen to every day. I enjoy the familiar voice and I honestly enjoy listening to someone who is happy about the same plays I am.

Yes but you are a huge homer as well.

TheGameguru wrote:

I'm still amazed people like Collinsworth.. must be an outside Philly thing..

I concur, Collinsworth is isn't that great. But if you compare him to everything else out there (Beavis and Butthead, AKA: Aikman and Buck), then Collinsworth isn't too bad. He does say some stupid and annoying things, but sometimes he adds good points and observations to the game.

Kush15 wrote:

I concur, Collinsworth is isn't that great. But if you compare him to everything else out there (Beavis and Butthead, AKA: Aikman and Buck), then Collinsworth isn't too bad. He does say some stupid and annoying things, but sometimes he adds good points and observations to the game.

I haven't ever figured out the Collinsworth hate. Is it because he's cranky all the time? I like him more often than not because (a) he's good at breaking down a play (why it worked or why it didn't) and (b) he doesn't sound like most of the C- and D-list color guys on CBS and Fox, whose insight usually consists of telling me the obvious. That was a bad throw? That was a hard hit? That might have been pass interference? NO KIDDING. Chad Pennington, Jim Mora and John Lynch can go DIAF.

I like the Carolina radio guys. Sure, they get excited when the Panthers score. But they're pretty fair, and they can be brutal when the Panthers stink. Mick Mixon was Woody Durham's No. 2 guy at UNC for years before he got the Panthers gig. And Eugene Robinson (he of the night-before-the-Super-Bowl arrest) is good for some comic relief.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Yes but you are a huge homer as well. :P

Aren't fans supposed to be?

For pure entertainment no one comes close to Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff from the Redskins radio announce team.

For what its worth, my wife, who tolerates football at best, finds Collinsworth to be her favourite announcer.

thejustinbot wrote:

For pure entertainment no one comes close to Sonny Jurgensen and Sam Huff from the Redskins radio announce team.

Ugh, I hate those guys. They might be entertaining if I didn't want to listen to the game but they add little commentary that's worth a crap. How many wrong things can they say? How many plays are there in a given game, that's how many. On top of that is the blatant writhing homerism. Even if you are a Redskins fan, listening to them make error after error has got to be grating. It really is embarrassing to two of the all-time greats of the sport to have them on the air.

If I have to be in the car when a game is on, I'll listen to anything else.

Tom Martinez, Tom Brady's throwing coach and mentor for umpteen years, died yesterday. Really a bad year for Tom.

Today's edition of Simple Answers to Stupid Questions, courtesy of the Charlotte Observer:

"Will the Panthers pay Jimmy Clausen a $923,000 roster bonus or cut him to save almost a million dollars?"

Answer: Cut him

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