NFL 2011 Super Bowl XLVI

Could also go with a drakkar (viking long boat).

Noir?

Is the Salary Cap and parity really working? This is the 5th NE SuperBowl.. in 10 years.. of the possible 84 Times a team could have been in the SuperBowl, 10 teams have represented 59 of those times!

Note.. This isnt sour grapes.. I actually liked having "dynasty" teams..but I'm curious if the whole concept of trying to get more teams a chance is really working?

I heard during the NFC game that if the 49ers won, they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years. The other talking head called that parity.

I'd say yes. It seems like we get the best of both worlds with dynasties and diversity. (I like dynasties too)

Just look at the diversity of the teams that have been in the SB over the years: Chicago (last SB in 85), New Orleans, the Cardinals, the Packers last year, your Eagles, Tampa Bay vs the Raiders, Falcons in 99, the Colts, the Seahawks, Titans.

And then you have the regulars: the Patriots, Giants and the Steelers.

Grumpicus wrote:

I heard during the NFC game that if the 49ers won, they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years. The other talking head called that parity.

lol? I'm confused.

fangblackbone wrote:

I'd say yes. It seems like we get the best of both worlds with dynasties and diversity. (I like dynasties too)

Just look at the diversity of the teams that have been in the SB over the years: Chicago (last SB in 85), New Orleans, the Cardinals, the Packers last year, your Eagles, Tampa Bay vs the Raiders, Falcons in 99, the Colts, the Seahawks, Titans.

And then you have the regulars: the Patriots, Giants and the Steelers.

It is true that in 2000-2010 of the 20 Teams.. 6 were there for their first and only time... 2010-2020 isnt off to that same start...

I just want the right dynasties. Need the 49ers back in every NFC Championship game, with a few Super Bowl wins sprinkled in.

Since the Pats are going you have a streak where the Pats have gone to 4, the Steelers have gone to 3 and the Colts have gone to 2 since any other AFC team has gone. In that same time period, the Giants are the first team to go twice from the NFC.

If the Ravens had won, the streak would still be Pats 4, Steelers 3, Colts 2 and now Ravens 2 since any other AFC team had gone. At that point the Giants would still be the only NFC repeat, but it'd go from twice to three times.

thejustinbot wrote:

Since the Pats are going you have a streak where the Pats have gone to 4, the Steelers have gone to 3 and the Colts have gone to 2 since any other AFC team has gone. In that same time period, the Giants are the first team to go twice from the NFC.

If the Ravens had won, the streak would still be Pats 4, Steelers 3, Colts 2 and now Ravens 2 since any other AFC team had gone. At that point the Giants would still be the only NFC repeat, but it'd go from twice to three times.

I don't know the exact numbers for the Steelers and Colts, but there are very few Patriots from the earlier Superbowls still with the team. In other words, the Dynasty is not about having the same elite players, but the same elite team-mentality (and having Brady/Belichick helps).

thejustinbot wrote:

Since the Pats are going you have a streak where the Pats have gone to 4, the Steelers have gone to 3 and the Colts have gone to 2 since any other AFC team besides Oakland has gone. In that same time period, the Giants are the first team to go twice from the NFC.

FTFY

TheGameguru wrote:

Is the Salary Cap and parity really working?

Look at teams that have made the playoffs, rather than just the Super Bowl. Aside from Cleveland, what team hasn't made the playoffs in the last 10 Seasons? Mind you, they won 10 games in 2007, but missed the playoffs. That's where you get your parity.

Playoff teams this year that didn't go last year: Houston, Cincinnati, Detroit, NY Giants, San Francisco, Denver. Last I checked, that's a 50% rollover. Half of those teams haven't been to the playoffs in quite some time (Hou, SF, Det). There's your parity.

As far as NE, it is definitely due to Brady. He is just that good. I heard that there is 7 players on NE that played in the other NE vs. NY superbowl. Players from Giants that played in that game? 15.

My point is, Brady just brings an offense up 3 levels no matter who else is on that side of the ball with him.

I HOPE BB coaches for a few years after Brady retires. I really want to see if he can do anything without Brady. (And NE fans, please don't bring up Matt Cassel. Not a full year, first time other teams saw him, weak schedule, etc.)

TheGameguru wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:

I heard during the NFC game that if the 49ers won, they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years. The other talking head called that parity.

lol? I'm confused.

Not sure what's confusing. Basically, if the 49ers had won the NFC Championship, they would have been the 11th different NFC team in the last 11 years to go to the Super Bowl. As it is, in the last decade+1, 9 different teams have gone once and the Giants have gone twice.

  • 2001–02 St. Louis Rams 
  • 2002–03 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • 2003–04 Carolina Panthers 
  • 2004–05 Philadelphia Eagles 
  • 2005–06 Seattle Seahawks 
  • 2006–07 Chicago Bears 
  • 2007–08 New York Giants 
  • 2008–09 Arizona Cardinals 
  • 2009–10 New Orleans Saints 
  • 2010–11 Green Bay Packers 
  • 2011–12 (NOT San Francisco 49ers)

So I guess parity is working... but only in the NFC?

Patriots

28-21

karmajay wrote:

As far as NE, it is definitely due to Brady. He is just that good. I heard that there is 7 players on NE that played in the other NE vs. NY superbowl. Players from Giants that played in that game? 15.

My point is, Brady just brings an offense up 3 levels no matter who else is on that side of the ball with him.

I HOPE BB coaches for a few years after Brady retires. I really want to see if he can do anything without Brady. (And NE fans, please don't bring up Matt Cassel. Not a full year, first time other teams saw him, weak schedule, etc.)

As good as Brady is, I really don't think that one player can really have that big of an impact. Look at Indy (but not this year; this year they were horrible), the past few years they still had Peyton, who is (swallows pride) at least as good if not better than Brady, yet only 2 trips to the Superbowl with 1 win.

And I think the Cassel situation is a good mark of just how good BB is. You say not a full year, but it was 15.75 games - that's pretty damn close to a full year. If you want more than that, look at how BB has evolved with the game: a defensive minded coach, recognizing the changing game, restructures how he operates to keep on winning. His ability to plan for games where they don't have a ground game to speak of, his ability to get players to fill in at roles that they are not made for, his ability to win with some of the defenses the Patriots have fielded in the last few years. It's pretty impressive, even without Brady.

Kush15 wrote:
thejustinbot wrote:

Since the Pats are going you have a streak where the Pats have gone to 4, the Steelers have gone to 3 and the Colts have gone to 2 since any other AFC team besides Oakland has gone. In that same time period, the Giants are the first team to go twice from the NFC.

FTFY

For some reason I always get the Giants/Ravens game and the Raiders/Bucs game switched in my head as to when each happened.

Grumpicus wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:

I heard during the NFC game that if the 49ers won, they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years. The other talking head called that parity.

lol? I'm confused.

Not sure what's confusing. Basically, if the 49ers had won the NFC Championship, they would have been the 11th different NFC team in the last 11 years to go to the Super Bowl. As it is, in the last decade+1, 9 different teams have gone once and the Giants have gone twice.

  • 2001–02 St. Louis Rams 
  • 2002–03 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
  • 2003–04 Carolina Panthers 
  • 2004–05 Philadelphia Eagles 
  • 2005–06 Seattle Seahawks 
  • 2006–07 Chicago Bears 
  • 2007–08 New York Giants 
  • 2008–09 Arizona Cardinals 
  • 2009–10 New Orleans Saints 
  • 2010–11 Green Bay Packers 
  • 2011–12 (NOT San Francisco 49ers)

So I guess parity is working... but only in the NFC?

You didn't say unique. Its a tautology that in n years n nfc teams will go to the superbowl under the current system.

Oh.. I just misread it.. I'm just dumb.

TempestBlayze wrote:

A friend of mine remade all the NFL team logo's to have a more vintage style to them. I think they look great.

http://gridiron-league.com/

IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436095/prt_220x272_1327345612.jpg) vs IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436100/prt_220x272_1323492493.jpg)

They all look like beer labels.

Eh I just read it the way it was intended... but yeah...

they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years

should have read

they'd be the 11th different NFC team to go in the last 11 years
Paleocon wrote:
TempestBlayze wrote:

A friend of mine remade all the NFL team logo's to have a more vintage style to them. I think they look great.

http://gridiron-league.com/

IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436095/prt_220x272_1327345612.jpg) vs IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436100/prt_220x272_1323492493.jpg)

They all look like beer labels.

A beer for every NFL team? Something more for fans to argue about who has the better Budweiser variant? Sounds great, someone tell the league to get on that!

Stele wrote:

Eh I just read it the way it was intended... but yeah...

they'd be the 11th NFC team to go in the last 11 years

should have read

they'd be the 11th different NFC team to go in the last 11 years

yes.. that was my lol at first.. but obviously I was just being dumb and reading it as it was written.. It is interesting how different the NFC has been in terms of Parity than the AFC in SB representation.

/mumbles about early 2000's Eagles NFC championship ineptness.

Atras wrote:
karmajay wrote:

As far as NE, it is definitely due to Brady. He is just that good. I heard that there is 7 players on NE that played in the other NE vs. NY superbowl. Players from Giants that played in that game? 15.

My point is, Brady just brings an offense up 3 levels no matter who else is on that side of the ball with him.

I HOPE BB coaches for a few years after Brady retires. I really want to see if he can do anything without Brady. (And NE fans, please don't bring up Matt Cassel. Not a full year, first time other teams saw him, weak schedule, etc.)

As good as Brady is, I really don't think that one player can really have that big of an impact. Look at Indy (but not this year; this year they were horrible), the past few years they still had Peyton, who is (swallows pride) at least as good if not better than Brady, yet only 2 trips to the Superbowl with 1 win.

And I think the Cassel situation is a good mark of just how good BB is. You say not a full year, but it was 15.75 games - that's pretty damn close to a full year. If you want more than that, look at how BB has evolved with the game: a defensive minded coach, recognizing the changing game, restructures how he operates to keep on winning. His ability to plan for games where they don't have a ground game to speak of, his ability to get players to fill in at roles that they are not made for, his ability to win with some of the defenses the Patriots have fielded in the last few years. It's pretty impressive, even without Brady.

I love how you both are throwing down the exception that disproves your point. As Atras pointed out, Belichek can work with a QB who's not Brady, and Cassel is the perfect prover of that; IMO, Belichek is the closest thing we've seen in a head coach to Bill Walsh from the 80s. The man has a system and can drop players into the slot nearly at will.

As for Peyton Manning? The man deserves the MVP award for this year and didn't play a game. The Colts went from 10-6 to 2-14. If that's not a strong enough indicator of how vital Manning is to that team, then I don't know what is.

Unlike Indy, the Patriots have gotten good return on plenty of their draft picks. Indy has become the place busts go after college.

TempestBlayze wrote:

A friend of mine remade all the NFL team logo's to have a more vintage style to them. I think they look great.

http://gridiron-league.com/

IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436095/prt_220x272_1327345612.jpg) vs IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436100/prt_220x272_1323492493.jpg)

Some of those are fantastic. Some are kind of uninspired. Mostly, I really dislike the one for Houston, because it's a reminder of the Oilers leaving town, and that Tennessee stupidly owns that name and logo now. I don't pretend to speak for all Houstonians, but it's hard for me to look at Oilers stuff without a lot of negative feelings. I'm not saying I'm in therapy for it or anything, just that the logo invokes probably the opposite of the desired emotion.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
TempestBlayze wrote:

A friend of mine remade all the NFL team logo's to have a more vintage style to them. I think they look great.

http://gridiron-league.com/

IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436095/prt_220x272_1327345612.jpg) vs IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436100/prt_220x272_1323492493.jpg)

Some of those are fantastic. Some are kind of uninspired. Mostly, I really dislike the one for Houston, because it's a reminder of the Oilers leaving town, and that Tennessee stupidly owns that name and logo now. I don't pretend to speak for all Houstonians, but it's hard for me to look at Oilers stuff without a lot of negative feelings. I'm not saying I'm in therapy for it or anything, just that the logo invokes probably the opposite of the desired emotion.

Those are really cool. I'm especially digging the Teb- er, Broncos one.

The Raiders hire Dennis Allen as their new head coach. Yeah, that Dennis Allen, as in the now former defensive coordinator who lent a hand in making Tim Tebow look good in Denver.

Denis Allen, like Gary Kubiak, is an Aggie!

garion333 wrote:

Indy has become the place busts go after college.

Which is why the Polians got run out of town. Manning (and Brady, too) can hide a lot of flaws. In the Colts' case, it's an old team with no backup QB, and it showed this season.

Paleocon wrote:
TempestBlayze wrote:

A friend of mine remade all the NFL team logo's to have a more vintage style to them. I think they look great.

http://gridiron-league.com/

IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436095/prt_220x272_1327345612.jpg) vs IMAGE(http://payload6.cargocollective.com/1/3/124039/2436100/prt_220x272_1323492493.jpg)

They all look like beer labels.

Funny you should say that because he was going for more Budweiser and less Bud light

Rat Boy wrote:

The Raiders hire Dennis Allen as their new head coach. Yeah, that Dennis Allen, as in the now former defensive coordinator who lent a hand in making Tim Tebow look good in Denver.

Oh -- that Dennis Allen who benefited from not having to game plan against: Darren McFadden, Jay Cutler, Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson, Matt Cassel, basically a useful Ben Roethlisberger and a few other NFL prime players, but when faced with actual NFL offenses, routinely got beat by 45 points or more. That Dennis Allen? Good for the Raiders.