Stupid little bags of testosterone

Amoebic wrote:

Spoilered for parental sanity:

Spoiler:

Some silly clucks out there thought that oral/anal/manual/etc. "didn't count" somehow, and that as long as vaginal penetration didn't occur, you were still technically a virgin.

Wow, did I ever know the wrong girls in high school.

gregrampage wrote:
Amoebic wrote:
Spoiler:

Some silly clucks out there thought that oral/anal/manual/etc. "didn't count" somehow, and that as long as vaginal penetration didn't occur, you were still technically a virgin.

Sadly that's still around.

Spoiler:

It's actually very common among Christians who want to save themselves for marriage but really don't. Specifically the anal part. I think most people agree oral/manual doesn't count for virginity.

It's a woman thing. Guys are more likely to say "my penis interacted with a part of her anatomy, we had sex."

Nosferatu wrote:
gregrampage wrote:
Amoebic wrote:
Spoiler:

Some silly clucks out there thought that oral/anal/manual/etc. "didn't count" somehow, and that as long as vaginal penetration didn't occur, you were still technically a virgin.

Sadly that's still around.

Spoiler:

It's actually very common among Christians who want to save themselves for marriage but really don't. Specifically the anal part. I think most people agree oral/manual doesn't count for virginity.

It's a woman thing. Guys are more likely to say "my penis interacted with a part of her anatomy anything, we had sex."

The number of unwanted erections the jiggling on the back seat of the bus gave me as a hormone riddled teenager... That's how I knew I was truely the last of the Dragonborn.

m0nk3yboy wrote:

The number of unwanted erections the jiggling on the back seat of the bus gave me as a hormone riddled teenager... That's how I knew I was truely the last of the Dragonborn.

Sigged.

I might be rehashing what someone else said, but it may bear repeating.

When it comes to my daughter, when she approaches dating age, I will politely let her know that she can always come to me and I will always try to reserve judgement and be rational when conversing directly with her about her potential beaus. I will also attempt to make it clear to her that no one she will be spending time with should feel safe if they think they are going to get away with treating her poorly.

For a boy to not be willing to stand up to me in some way to see my girl, marks him as not worthy of her attention. And he'll be treated as such. I can gauge my responses to the nature of the type of standing up to me. Ones not prone to physicality won't be graded on not being willing to challenge me physically - everyone has different strengths. But if they won't put themselves on the line for her somehow - I will not let up on them, and i imagine they will eventually go away.

This will likely cause some disagreement in the household.

I already have my standard goodnight ready for boys that take her out. I will have a few dummy 9millimeters on hand. When they go to leave.. I'll say "catch". When the boy looks to me for an explanation, I will state "Have her home by 11:00, or the next one will be coming much faster." I plan to be engaged in firearm maintenance when I know boys will be stopping by.

My girl is 5 right now. Obviously, everything could change a great deal in the interim. But I believe that every girl should be under the impression that there is nothing her father won't do to ensure her safety and well being. No matter what.

...even if maybe it's not completely true - it's a comfort in alot of ways to know that someone cares that much about you, even when it's a hassle.

Man I love this place.

Good call back on page 1 about the Goodjer children dating service.

momgamer wrote:
SuperDave wrote:
gregrampage wrote:
Amoebic wrote:
Spoiler:

Some silly clucks out there thought that oral/anal/manual/etc. "didn't count" somehow, and that as long as vaginal penetration didn't occur, you were still technically a virgin.

Sadly that's still around.

Spoiler:

It's actually very common among Christians who want to save themselves for marriage but really don't. Specifically the anal part. I think most people agree oral/manual doesn't count for virginity.

Spoiler:

I think the term for those people is "bareback Christians".

It's amazing how many ways there are to say "frickin' idiot" in the English language. ;)

If they want to call that virginity, who can really say they're wrong? I mean, the whole concept of 'virginity' is a silly one. Are lesbians eternal virgins? Only until they use a strap-on? Inquiring minds want to know.

Here's my definition of virginity: a state of sexual experience acceptable to the groom's father.

Here's the importance I put on figuring out someone's status as a virgin or not: none.

trichy wrote:
m0nk3yboy wrote:

The number of unwanted erections the jiggling on the back seat of the bus gave me as a hormone riddled teenager... That's how I knew I was truely the last of the Dragonborn.

Sigged.

You sure you don't want to spellcheck that first? :p

CheezePavilion wrote:

Here's my definition of virginity: a state of sexual experience acceptable to the groom's father.

groom, or bride? I guess it could be either.

nel e nel wrote:
CheezePavilion wrote:

Here's my definition of virginity: a state of sexual experience acceptable to the groom's father.

groom, or bride? I guess it could be either.

Whatever the person paying the dowry cares about ; D

Seriously, we're still talking about 'virginity' these days as some kind of "you did X with a Y so therefore we're pulling your V-card; you only did X with a Z? Oh, well then you're still a sex n00b" thing?

I didn't ask my dad's opinion on that matter, nor hers.

nel e nel wrote:
trichy wrote:
m0nk3yboy wrote:

The number of unwanted erections the jiggling on the back seat of the bus gave me as a hormone riddled teenager... That's how I knew I was truely the last of the Dragonborn.

Sigged.

You sure you don't want to spellcheck that first? :p

Fus Ro Dangle!

oddity wrote:

I might be rehashing what someone else said, but it may bear repeating.

When it comes to my daughter, when she approaches dating age, I will politely let her know that she can always come to me and I will always try to reserve judgement and be rational when conversing directly with her about her potential beaus. I will also attempt to make it clear to her that no one she will be spending time with should feel safe if they think they are going to get away with treating her poorly.

For a boy to not be willing to stand up to me in some way to see my girl, marks him as not worthy of her attention. And he'll be treated as such. I can gauge my responses to the nature of the type of standing up to me. Ones not prone to physicality won't be graded on not being willing to challenge me physically - everyone has different strengths. But if they won't put themselves on the line for her somehow - I will not let up on them, and i imagine they will eventually go away.

This will likely cause some disagreement in the household.

I already have my standard goodnight ready for boys that take her out. I will have a few dummy 9millimeters on hand. When they go to leave.. I'll say "catch". When the boy looks to me for an explanation, I will state "Have her home by 11:00, or the next one will be coming much faster." I plan to be engaged in firearm maintenance when I know boys will be stopping by.

My girl is 5 right now. Obviously, everything could change a great deal in the interim. But I believe that every girl should be under the impression that there is nothing her father won't do to ensure her safety and well being. No matter what.

...even if maybe it's not completely true - it's a comfort in alot of ways to know that someone cares that much about you, even when it's a hassle.

This seem way out of line and is probably assault. If you were cleaning a gun and then threw some dummy bullets at a kid the proper thing for him to do would be to go and tell his parents about it. And at least some of them would seriously consider sending the police to your door. And as for making sure that they can stand up to you? What does that even mean? A fourteen year old boy should not need to be in a position to have to defend himself from you, that is just bullying them. Not to mention that this sounds like a sure fire way to only keep around guys who will definitely have the sort of confidence to really try something. I think you would like her to date some nice quiet kid that will appreciate her.

Now, I have two other questions.

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Second, how would you feel if some parent said something to your daughters that could be equally frightening or inappropriate. "You better be smart enough to keep from getting pregnant, I am not having my boy paying for a little gold digging slut for the next eighteen years. I will drag you down to the clinic myself if you can't take care of it."

NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

No one brought it up because this has been a discussion of a specific situation.

gregrampage wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

No one brought it up because this has been a discussion of a specific situation.

That is a good point. Still, I feel like somebody needs to stick up for teenage boys.

NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

So that's what set off my spider sense and made me check this thread again.

NathanialG wrote:

This seem way out of line and is probably assault. If you were cleaning a gun and then threw some dummy bullets at a kid the proper thing for him to do would be to go and tell his parents about it. And at least some of them would seriously consider sending the police to your door. And as for making sure that they can stand up to you? What does that even mean? A fourteen year old boy should not need to be in a position to have to defend himself from you, that is just bullying them. Not to mention that this sounds like a sure fire way to only keep around guys who will definitely have the sort of confidence to really try something. I think you would like her to date some nice quiet kid that will appreciate her.

Now, I have two other questions.

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Second, how would you feel if some parent said something to your daughters that could be equally frightening or inappropriate. "You better be smart enough to keep from getting pregnant, I am not having my boy paying for a little gold digging slut for the next eighteen years. I will drag you down to the clinic myself if you can't take care of it."

Pure fried gold from start to finish. Couldn't have put it better myself.

NathanialG wrote:

This seem way out of line and is probably assault. If you were cleaning a gun and then threw some dummy bullets at a kid the proper thing for him to do would be to go and tell his parents about it. And at least some of them would seriously consider sending the police to your door. And as for making sure that they can stand up to you? What does that even mean? A fourteen year old boy should not need to be in a position to have to defend himself from you, that is just bullying them.

This was pretty much my response to that post as well.

NathanialG wrote:

This seem way out of line and is probably assault. If you were cleaning a gun and then threw some dummy bullets at a kid the proper thing for him to do would be to go and tell his parents about it. And at least some of them would seriously consider sending the police to your door. And as for making sure that they can stand up to you? What does that even mean? A fourteen year old boy should not need to be in a position to have to defend himself from you, that is just bullying them.

Yeah, having been on the recieving end of some really... questionable parental behavior, I come down on this side of it too. Now, I know most everyone here is joking, but, you know, getting threatened at gunpoint is never fun, no matter how you look at it. (Funny part was, she was just my friend, she swung the other way.)

Reading it again, it does come across as internet talking. My child will only have the perfectly honorable and charismatic suitor. That's fine for you, but what if your child wants the weedy shy kid? How would you react if your little angel turns out to be the one getting on the bad side with the other set of parents by leading their kid 'astray'. Seems like the perfect way for them to learn to hide all their personal relationships from you, or as others have mentioned being questioned about why you're subtly threatening the kid's life.

Goddamn it, all this ass talk and I come really late.

Wait... phrasing...

Serious note: Glad you talked to her, trichy, and stuff turned out ok.

Now, let's talk about doing it in the butt, one more time.

NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Depends on how butch she is. Oh, and I'd stop looking at lesbian porn.

As a concerned parent, I would demand to both watch and direct all proceedings.

NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Actually, Emily's best friend is a self-proclaimed lesbian (the modifier because she is only 13), and Jen and I have discussed our thoughts on if Emily chooses that particular route. Honestly, I don't care whether Emily dates guys or girls; I just don't want her dating anyone for a few more years. I know that's probably unrealistic, but I think if we've agreed on anything in this thread, it's that rationality and clear thinking happily take a back seat when it comes to our children.

NathanialG wrote:
gregrampage wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

No one brought it up because this has been a discussion of a specific situation.

That is a good point. Still, I feel like somebody needs to stick up for teenage boys.

Teenage boys do a good enough job sticking up themselves.

ANYWAY.

trichy wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Actually, Emily's best friend is a self-proclaimed lesbian (the modifier because she is only 13), and Jen and I have discussed our thoughts on if Emily chooses that particular route.

If your daughter's a lesbian, you may want to seriously reconsider your choice of words.

wordsmythe wrote:
NathanialG wrote:
gregrampage wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

No one brought it up because this has been a discussion of a specific situation.

That is a good point. Still, I feel like somebody needs to stick up for teenage boys.

Teenage boys do a good enough job sticking up themselves.

ANYWAY.

trichy wrote:
NathanialG wrote:

None of you have brought up the possibility of your daughters bringing home a girl and how you would treat her.

Actually, Emily's best friend is a self-proclaimed lesbian (the modifier because she is only 13), and Jen and I have discussed our thoughts on if Emily finds herself attracted to girls.

If your daughter's a lesbian, you may want to seriously reconsider your choice of words.

Damn it! I thought I had corrected that. FTFY

oMonarca wrote:

Goddamn it, all this ass talk and I come really late.

Wait... phrasing...

Serious note: Glad you talked to her, trichy, and stuff turned out ok.

Now, let's talk about doing it in the butt, one more time.

That is for the Boogle threads! You can get all your ass play there.

Actually at 13 I'd agree with the original choice of words about the friend, Emily. To proclaim oneself as anything at that stage is a choice. (Obviously I don't know Emily, the description makes it sound like she is fairly forward about her interest in other girls). What sort you are attracted to is not neccesairly a choice (shrug I don't know if it is possible to choose a route to change what your tastes are, I don't think the potential affects the discussion at hand), however the decision to fling such a thing in the face of another early on is a typical teenager kind of thing to do. I like lots of things, most of them don't come up in coversation with most people. My sexual orientation definitely doesn't come up, or specifically in my case the fact that I chose to not have sex for as long as I had. Maybe I'm misreading the intent, but I've seen lots of teenagers do stupid, stupid things over the years to make themselves "different" and honestly declaring oneself to be a lesbian is fairly tame these days, given our near worship of the female body in American culture. It's almost at the level of the old greek idolization of the male form. It's acceptable for just about anyone (except your mom/grandma* (ew!)!) to say they like to look at the female body.

*note that was a joke about no child wanting to think about their parents (old people) having a sexual side.

Hookay. I'm probably not going to please anyone here but since I'm a teacher I always like to ask . . .

If you could potentially be a father-in-law, what's to stop you from being fatherly before the wedding? Can you try treating a suitor as someone who could learn from you what your own child is learning? Did you teach your child with threats and weapons? Can you spare the time in constructive conversation instead of sneering and looming?

We have such a hang-up about trying to influence anyone else's child. Why is that?

Unless you are a teacher of course; then you should live in mortal fear of being sued and fired for doing so.

gains wrote:

We have such a hang-up about trying to influence anyone else's child. Why is that?

Unless you are a teacher of course; then you should live in mortal fear of being sued and fired for doing so.

You practically answered your own question. Parents don't seem to appreciate someone else parenting their child.