NFL 2011 Week 14

Thin_J wrote:
Certis wrote:

Fascinating, thanks guys. Wait, does this mean Tebow's weird throw will never change? Because even I can tell that thing is WHACK.

If I remember correctly they've tried to get him to fix it before without any success.

His motion is actually shorter than it was in college, but it's never going to be concise, as Legion points out.

Jayhawker wrote:

I hadn't even realized that Legion had been daydreaming about the kid.

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Randall could throw it 90 yards in the air on one knee... he used to do it during pre game warmups...

*Legion* wrote:
Certis wrote:

Fascinating, thanks guys. Wait, does this mean Tebow's weird throw will never change? Because even I can tell that thing is WHACK.

Part of Tebow's problem is that he's too thick and bulky. He isn't able to generate a lot of torque with his shoulders and hips.

That weird motion you see is him working around that. He's generating power through a loooong wind-up because he is unable to generate that power with that elastic *snap* of the shoulder and hips.

What we call "arm strength" is really a whole body thing, and the emphasis is more on elasticity than muscle. (This, of course, is why someone like Tim Lincecum can be a rocket-throwing major league pitcher while having the body of a pre-teen girl).

This is why Tebow's throwing motion isn't really "fixable". You can make him throw like other quarterbacks, but then he can't generate the power needed to push the ball where it needs to go (something he already struggles with).

Part of the confusion comes from the term "arm strength" when they should be calling it throwing power or something like that.

Tim Lincecum, I'm pretty sure he's stoned all the time.

I know I'm very late to this party but since I might as well tag this thread anyway...

"Arm strength" is really about arm speed. A pitcher and a quarterback both use their entire body to sling the ball like snapping a whip to get the ball moving as quickly as possible on release.

Jags
Broncos
Chargers
Giants
Ravens

boogle wrote:

Jags
Broncos
Chargers
Giants
Ravens

Those picks are not very bold.

Buccaneers at Jaguars

Bears at Broncos

Bills at Chargers

Giants at Cowboys

Wildcard: Seeing as how my team is one of the choices this week, I'm gonna pick a gimmie... I'd pick the GB game, but something tells me that trail could come to an end, so I'll pick: Patriots at Redskins

Well, it's definite. Everyone here picked Denver (so far) -- they lose this weekend.

Jayhawker wrote:
boogle wrote:

Jags
Broncos
Chargers
Giants
Ravens

Those picks are not very bold.

I can't be messing around with ratboys crazy rules. I'm being legislated into mediocrity!

Buccaneers at Jaguars: I watched Gabbert and Tebow on NFL Rewind last night and... I think I'd take Tebow at this point. Sorry, *Legion*, the kid looked horrible on the few throws he sent more than 5 yards down the field.
Bears at Broncos: OK, I give up. HE JUST WINS.
Bills at Chargers
Giants at Cowboys: The Giants are starting to look halfway decent again.

Rams at Seahawks: It wouldn't be the holidays without a beatdown of the Rams in Seattle.

Bucs
Bears
Chargers
Giants

Steelers over Browns - picking Vikings games was getting boring so I'm just going to pick easy ones like everybody else

Bucs
Broncos ha!
Chargers
Cowboys it's like picking between two ugly chicks...
Steelers

Buccaneers at Jaguars: Neither. Okay, I guess I'll bet on MJD.

Bears at Broncos: At home against a broken Bears team, I take Jesus Tebow.

Bills at Chargers: I'll go with the inconsistent home team over the inconsistent away team.

Giants at Cowboys: F- Dallas.

Colts at Ravens: Seems they've gotten over their trap game ways. God, I hope so. Ray Rice FTW!

I don't check the thread for a day and it turns into man-crushing a baseball player.

Buccaneers at Jaguars

Bears at Broncos

Bills at Chargers

Giants at Cowboys

Wild card: Falcons at Panthers ... Carolina played three pretty good quarters against ATL in Week 6. On the negative side, Carolina is going against Michael Turner (who loves Carolina cookin') after losing both starting DTs against Tampa last week. But the subs held Blount in check, so maybe it's a wash. I think the Panthers have gotten tougher since October, and I don't think ATL is playing lights-out football. So ... Carolina by a couple.

TheGameguru wrote:

Cowboys it's like picking between two ugly chicks...

If they're ugly chicks, what are the Eagles?

Guru, I am interested in your take on Andy Reid, and should he be fired. A lot of people in my circle are calling for his head, but I can't seem to find another coach that wouldn't bring the team even further backwards next season. Thoughts? I think the same goes for Tom Coughlin, there's just no one out there to replace him, aside from maybe Bill Cowher.

Don't get me wrong, I hope the Giants keep Coughlin, but like Eagles fans, Giants fans are not patient. They should be more patient, since Coughlin did bring them to Super Bowl glory just 4 short years ago. Most fans (Eagles) have to wait a lifetime for that.

Jaguars
Broncos
Chargers
Giants

Packers over Raiders

Rat Boy wrote:

I don't check the thread for a day and it turns into man-crushing a baseball player.

Back on track with George Carlin's Football-Baseball. NSFW!

Kush15 wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Cowboys it's like picking between two ugly chicks...

If they're ugly chicks, what are the Eagles?

Guru, I am interested in your take on Andy Reid, and should he be fired. A lot of people in my circle are calling for his head, but I can't seem to find another coach that wouldn't bring the team even further backwards next season. Thoughts? I think the same goes for Tom Coughlin, there's just no one out there to replace him, aside from maybe Bill Cowher.

Don't get me wrong, I hope the Giants keep Coughlin, but like Eagles fans, Giants fans are not patient. They should be more patient, since Coughlin did bring them to Super Bowl glory just 4 short years ago. Most fans (Eagles) have to wait a lifetime for that.

Keep in mind that not all coaches are obvious picks. I mean, John Harbaugh pretty much came out of nowhere. He doesn't run things in the same way Andy Reid does, but he could fit in with the Giants. So, one never knows.

Andy Reid is entrenched though. Getting rid of him is a complete shakeup of the organization. That does make it more difficult. Maybe Josh McDaniels would fit in, he like running everything (into the ground).

garion333 wrote:

Maybe Josh McDaniels would fit in, he like running everything (into the ground).

I would not be surprised if the Eagles get rid of Reid, but I don't think that will fix much. It is a strange situation they are in: Reid is a really good coach for 59 minutes of a football game, but it does seem like he is complacent in Philly. If they do replace him, I have no idea to whom they could turn and have it be an improvement, so I suspect they will re-arrange his supporting cast and hopefully return to the quality football that I expect from the Eagles.

What is funny about McDaniels is that with Tebow finding success now, his reign in Denver looks a lot less like a trainwreck. I think an organization that has a GM who will call the shots and a young, teachable QB could give him a look and see a decent head coach - Jacksonville might be a great place for him to go.

Atras wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Maybe Josh McDaniels would fit in, he like running everything (into the ground).

I would not be surprised if the Eagles get rid of Reid, but I don't think that will fix much. It is a strange situation they are in: Reid is a really good coach for 59 minutes of a football game, but it does seem like he is complacent in Philly. If they do replace him, I have no idea to whom they could turn and have it be an improvement, so I suspect they will re-arrange his supporting cast and hopefully return to the quality football that I expect from the Eagles.

What is funny about McDaniels is that with Tebow finding success now, his reign in Denver looks a lot less like a trainwreck. I think an organization that has a GM who will call the shots and a young, teachable QB could give him a look and see a decent head coach - Jacksonville might be a great place for him to go.

I'm sure any of our regular posters who are Jacksonville fans (*cough* *cough*) would just LOOOOOOVE that.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Atras wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Maybe Josh McDaniels would fit in, he like running everything (into the ground).

I would not be surprised if the Eagles get rid of Reid, but I don't think that will fix much. It is a strange situation they are in: Reid is a really good coach for 59 minutes of a football game, but it does seem like he is complacent in Philly. If they do replace him, I have no idea to whom they could turn and have it be an improvement, so I suspect they will re-arrange his supporting cast and hopefully return to the quality football that I expect from the Eagles.

What is funny about McDaniels is that with Tebow finding success now, his reign in Denver looks a lot less like a trainwreck. I think an organization that has a GM who will call the shots and a young, teachable QB could give him a look and see a decent head coach - Jacksonville might be a great place for him to go.

I'm sure any of our regular posters who are Jacksonville fans (*cough* *cough*) would just LOOOOOOVE that.

I don't follow Jacksonville as closely as Legion, but they are right behind the Patriots in teams I root for. McDaniels was a disaster in Denver, but Cassel and Brady both had nothing but good things to say about him, and I think he could be good for Gabbert.

Yeah, he's done wonders for Bradford.

Atras wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Atras wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Maybe Josh McDaniels would fit in, he like running everything (into the ground).

I would not be surprised if the Eagles get rid of Reid, but I don't think that will fix much. It is a strange situation they are in: Reid is a really good coach for 59 minutes of a football game, but it does seem like he is complacent in Philly. If they do replace him, I have no idea to whom they could turn and have it be an improvement, so I suspect they will re-arrange his supporting cast and hopefully return to the quality football that I expect from the Eagles.

What is funny about McDaniels is that with Tebow finding success now, his reign in Denver looks a lot less like a trainwreck. I think an organization that has a GM who will call the shots and a young, teachable QB could give him a look and see a decent head coach - Jacksonville might be a great place for him to go.

I'm sure any of our regular posters who are Jacksonville fans (*cough* *cough*) would just LOOOOOOVE that.

I don't follow Jacksonville as closely as Legion, but they are right behind the Patriots in teams I root for. McDaniels was a disaster in Denver, but Cassel and Brady both had nothing but good things to say about him, and I think he could be good for Gabbert.

They have good things to say about him because he's an innovative offensive mind, who was an absolute, utter train wreck as head coach. I will do my best to point out Tebow having a winning record against teams while the Denver defense is playing out of its mind doesn't say much about Tebow itself (oops, failed that one), but McDaniels' drafts were pretty much train wrecks, and, considering the bounty he got for the Cutler trade, that team should be utterly loaded (and it clearly is not). I would rather have Art Shell and Jim Caldwell co-coaching my team than McDaniels; at least Art and Jim would only screw up the present, not the future.

garion333 wrote:

Yeah, he's done wonders for Bradford.

Fair enough.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

They have good things to say about him because he's an innovative offensive mind, who was an absolute, utter train wreck as head coach. ... McDaniels' drafts were pretty much train wrecks, and, considering the bounty he got for the Cutler trade, that team should be utterly loaded (and it clearly is not).

I completely agree with you on the damage he did to Denver, over the long term. I would not want to be Josh McDaniels going for a jog in an area where John Elway might be driving; that said, putting him somewhere where there is a respected, intelligent General Manager (like Gene Smith in Jacksonville) should prevent the long-term damage he could do. Denver got used to having a head coach who was also the Supreme Football Leader, Master and Commander of all Things Broncos in Shanahan, and stupidly let a young, first time head coach act like a GM; and they got a marginally mitigated disaster thanks to the insane Tebow fawning. I don't know that McDaniels is actually capable of being a good head coach - the fact that he couldn't find a way to work with Cutler or Marshall does not speak well to his abilities there - but I hold out some hope for him.

Not me. I would have McDaniels as OC, no problem, but there needs to be somebody on the field who has the authority to say to him, "Shut the hell up, you little douchebag, we're not doing things your way."

To be fair to McDaniels, his first draft was a much, much worse draft than his second. He had 5 picks in the first two rounds of the 2009 draft and pretty much all of them are busts. None of the 2nd rounders are even on the team anymore.

Last year's draft was better overall, but more because of picking players like Eric Decker, J.D. Walton and Zane Beadles (all starters). Tebow is ... Tebow, but the Demayrius Thomas pick is still highly questionable since he can't stay on the field (which was the knock against him coming out of college).

But it's not just the picks. It's the personnel issues with Cutler and Marshall (as was mentioned) and whatever really went down with Mike Nolan. And he lost the fans.

There have been some interesting names pop up in the Jaguar coaching search. Let's go down the list.

* Mike Mularkey - His ill-fated head coaching job in Buffalo aside, a reasonably good coach, and someone who has done a good job with Matt Ryan. Has ties to the current Jaguar coaching staff (his son is on it), so Mularkey could be a hire that keeps a lot of the current staff in place. Mularkey is also from Florida himself, so there's that factor. It would be yet another example of the incestuous relationship the Jaguars and Atlanta Falcons have developed.

* Mike Sherman - No. NO. I hated him in Green Bay. It doesn't sound like he fared much better at A&M.

* Jay Gruden - Not John, but the little brother, the one currently offensive coordinator in Cincinnati. Definitely the sort of "up-and-comer" a team like Jacksonville should consider.

* Jeff Fisher - Man, this would be a hard pill to swallow just in terms of the "guy I hated for years" factor. But of all the crap I talked about Tennessee, I always praised Fisher as a coach. Fisher made overachievers out of roster fodder for many years in Tennessee. I have to admit that I would love to see what Jeff Fisher could do with the diamonds-in-the-rough Gene Smith digs up.

* Pat Hill - OK, nobody's actually saying this is even remotely a possibility. This one's just in my head.

I have not seen Josh McDaniels suggested as a candidate for the Jaguars head coaching job. I have little respect for how he served as a head coach in Denver. Head coaching is a management position as much as a coach, and he was not a good manager.

The Jaguars are Gene Smith's show, so a coach is going to be someone who is OK with staying out of the management of the roster. Jeff Fisher worked under GMs his entire time in Tennessee, he would not be a problem there. Mularkey is not a give-me-all-control type either.