the Mexican Drug War

Edwin wrote:

Well this was unexpected.

I wonder what would happen if the details of the entire Zeta operation would be revealed.

If true why would the Zetas trust that Anonymous would refrain from leaking their information anyway?

I think "Anonymous" has more to lose from this than the Zetas. If it's true they kidnapped one of them, he's probably dead.

Everyone knows who's working for who, publishing a list won't do anything - authorities won't go near it just because "Anon said so", and enemy cartels are already engaged in battle. Maybe it would give one of the rival cartels an edge, but in the big scheme I honestly don't think it would matter.

Also, cartels don't like being threatened.

I wonder how serious these kids are.

The Zetas need to change their name. Every time I hear something about them, the first thing I think of is a sorority.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

The Zetas need to change their name. Every time I hear something about them, the first thing I think of is a sorority.

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Nevermind.

"Anonymous supporters have backed off threats to expose Zeta drug gang collaborators, an operation launched in early October as a retaliation for an alleged kidnapping of an Anonymous follower by the Mexico-based drug gang. Members of Anonymous had posted a video claiming the group could identify journalists, police officers, and taxi drivers who collaborate with the Zeta crime syndicate. Zeta has not shied away from targeting its online critics. In September the crime group hung two people from an overpass warning bloggers and 'online snitches' to beware. The decapitated body of another social-media reporter was found later with a similar warning. Worried about the impact on both misidentified people and Anonymous followers, other supporters of the Anonymous movement worked to dismantle the operation over the weekend. In effect, the group canceled the attack, according to online news site Milenio."

It was a silly idea, anyway.

Looks like they changed their mind:

They hacked this guy's site and posted that he's a Zeta:
http://www.gustavorosario.com/

Is it a big deal? Dunno, he's had videos on youtube pointing to him as a consultant and protector of the Zetas for months, he's still in the government.

edit: If you don't understand what's with the flowers and stuff, today is the Day of the Dead, which we celebrate by visiting our dead and making altars with flowers to them. It's kinda creepy, I suppose.

Man, thanks for keeping us posted Mex. I'm not sure what to think of Anonymous' hijinks though.

No problem man, just sharing what's going on here.

Saw this on Stratfor today:
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20111...

It's a terrible idea from Anonymous, because I don't know what they hope to accomplish - By pointing someone out as part of a Cartel, they're not alerting the authorities (They already know), they're telling the enemy cartels.

So eventually it either becomes meaningless, or if it works, anyone on the internet will point out someone as a member of some cartel and hope they kill him, because how can you know if it's really some Anonymous guy with legit intentions or some random who hates another person.

I dunno, it just seems like a very misguided thing to me. It's easy for kids in Europe or the US to participate in these Anon things, but it's very dangerous here, you might get someone killed.

I could easily see fingering someone as a cartel member becoming the new "Burn her! She's a witch!"

A year old video. Still crazy, though. Sorry, Mex.

DSGamer wrote:

A year old video. Still crazy, though. Sorry, Mex. :(

Oh, I just saw it.

Yeah, just another day in Mexico. It's not that bad where I live, we've been lucky so far. Honestly it does sound like movie sound effects or something, I wonder if it's real.

Told you it was just a matter of time...

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...

Tavera, Fernando DOB 5/15/1992 Four suspects are in custody charged with capital murder in connection with a shooting Monday on Hollister near Bourgeois in northwest Harris County. That shooting left one person dead and an undercover HCSO deputy wounded. Officers with several local and federal agencies were conducting surveillance on an 18-wheeler carrying an undetermined quantity of marijuana when several suspects in vehicles pulled up to the truck and opened fire. Officers engaged in gunfire with the suspects. That exchange resulted in the undercover officer being shot in the leg and the death of the occupant in the 18-wheeler. / Harris Co. Sheriff's Office

Once this happens I wonder if it's too late, since it means they've got a decent foothold out there. However, the US has way more firepower than the mexican army, so...

Maybe I'm looking too far ahead, hopefully the US changes their mind about legalization

Yeah... sadly, no real surprise there.

I don't know if I'd say it's "too late", though. There's been an unspoken agreement so far that US enforcement won't care too much as long as all the trouble stays across the border, but it's pretty ballsy to export it to Texas. I think unless it becomes clear that it was an isolated incident, the rules will change significantly.

Mex wrote:

Maybe I'm looking too far ahead, hopefully the US changes their mind about legalization

I don't think it will change on a federal level anytime soon, but the states are starting to diverge.

Zetas dump 20 dead bodies in my town yesterday

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/...

I pass through there pretty often. I was actually there around 7, what the f*ck. Apparently the Zetas want to control this town, which was previously held by another Cartel that seemed to do things more cleanly.

No english translation but I guess Google would work fine

Stay safe, Mex.

Thanks man, I've really gotta cut back on doing dumb stuff... Like I'm planning tomorrow >_>

So the entire police force of a small town in Michoacán quit over the last month (32 policemen)

http://noticias.prodigy.msn.com/renu...ía-de-carácuaro-en-michoacán

Jeez...Can't really blame them, you won't risk your life for 1,400 dollars a month.

Meanwhile, the President of Colombia is openly supporting legalization of some drugs. If only our President could stop laughing long enough to listen, maybe we could help put an end to this.

Aetius wrote:

Meanwhile, the President of Colombia is openly supporting legalization of some drugs. If only our President could stop laughing long enough to listen, maybe we could help put an end to this.

I don't want to derail this thread but just wanted to chime in and say the legalization of marijuana would do so much good for the US. It's a benefit to every single American either directly or indirectly and it's a travesty that our government hasn't done it yet. I hope it happens in my lifetime.

93_confirmed wrote:
Aetius wrote:

Meanwhile, the President of Colombia is openly supporting legalization of some drugs. If only our President could stop laughing long enough to listen, maybe we could help put an end to this.

I don't want to derail this thread but just wanted to chime in and say the legalization of marijuana would do so much good for the US. It's a benefit to every single American either directly or indirectly and it's a travesty that our government hasn't done it yet. I hope it happens in my lifetime.

To be honest, I very much doubt it will without a Constitutional Amendment. (Which, if we're following Prohibition, should have been required to ban it in the first place, but that's neither here nor there.) There simply is too much money in the drug war for it to happen on the government's side. It's pretty clear that, despite opposite claims, Obama's white house is planning on subverting states' claims on even medical marijuana. It will truly take a majority of the people rising up to fight it -- but how do you convince the media of that?

I just wanted to mention that I just returned from a fabulous vacation in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, Mexico. What a wonderful country.

Rhode Island and Washington state governors ask the DEA to make marijuana legal.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...

Looks like legalization has record-high support.

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Minarchist wrote:

Looks like legalization has record-high support.

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So it'll be another 20 or 30 years before it'll become legal.

That sounds about right because it basically boils down to waiting for the Baby Boomers and older generations--the ones that equate weed with Reefer Madness, hippies, and mass social protests--to die off. Much like with racism and gay marriage.

Minarchist wrote:

Looks like legalization has record-high support.

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Wow. It looks like Nancy Reagan's Just Say No campaign and the War on Drugs actually did work. Well, work to keep public opinion against legalization for twenty years that is.

OG_slinger wrote:

So it'll be another 20 or 30 years before it'll become legal.

*sigh*...I know.

Minarchist wrote:

That sounds about right because it basically boils down to waiting for the Baby Boomers and older generations--the ones that equate weed with Reefer Madness, hippies, and mass social protests--to die off. Much like with racism and gay marriage.

On the bright side, with all the cuts to Medicare that are coming thanks to the economy being in the tank, that won't take long.

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I think that's mostly correct, but it's the wrong attribution.

It's kind of starting to bother me how often I hear the police sirens now. Another one just now, and they don't stop for a while :/

The other day I was out with a girl and we happened by a crime scene, some police truck had slammed into a car probably to stop it or something, lots of other police trucks around it and emergency services. Or when I went to have lunch with a friend and we saw a convoy of various police and military departments passing by us at high speed, clearly on their way to deal with something. And when I pass by the fancy school near my house, I see military men guarding the kids' exit from school. Then the 26 dead bodies dumped on the street the other day, and how regular people are starting to have family meetings to discuss what to do when someone in the family is kidnapped (The government says "Don't pay a dime", but it's not that simple).

A few weeks ago there was an old man who knew he was marked for death for helping the government vs the cartels. He did so because his son died in the Drug War. He met the President in a public event, sneaked up to him and told him about his situation in public, asking for help, even handed him a folder full of information. The president said Sure, we'll take this seriously, you don't have anything to fear. This week they killed that man. No comment from the president.

Not looking good...