Games and Little Kids
Hi Folks-
I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter who is quite technically savy.
Completely operates the VCR and DVD players she has in her play room, on her own with no problem. We limit her TV time and it's all very kid friendly.
Until the day she saw me playing Halo. Her eyes got very big and she hopped on my lap to watch. I think gaming runs in the family. Now Halo isn't super violent by any means, no more than a Star Wars movie in my opinion.
However, now she runs over to the Xbox and says "Halo, Daddy Halo!". Sits in my lap and says "Get that one Daddy, get the big one!" "Run Daddy run!" "My turn now, Daddy."
I'm a little uncomfortable with that. Not that I believe in over sheltering kids (I have friends who's 4 year old twin boys can't watch Nemo because it scares them too much) but just wondering what other parent's policies are with little kids and their video games.
Thanks in advance for the input.
Lars
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I don''t envy you, and I have no idea what to do in a situation like this. I, too, would be interested to hear what the more experienced of us would do, if for no other reason than to prepare myself for the future.
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It''s a big ""It depends"" to me. If you''re uncomfortable with it, find a different game with similar gameplay that''s more... comfortable/suitable in your eyes that she can navigate and you can drive.
The gameplay is pretty simple and fairly universal/widespread: run around, deal with bad guy, grab powerup, repeat.
If you want to find a(nother) community of gaming parents, I really enjoy the writing and reviews at GamerDad.com. The original articles are always engaging to me, and the reviews all have a ""Kid Factor"" section where they give their opinion of whether kids should play it(rather, if they''d allow their kids to play it) and at what age, as well as always recommending that a parent play through a game completely before allowing their kids to do so, in order to see if there are any parts/themes they don''t want their kid exposed to. (Edit: Forgot to mention their no-reg-required forums, with sections for Games, Your kids, etc.)
I think you''ve got a great opportunity on your hands, but if it makes you uncomfortable, find an analog that doesn''t but that will still interest your little one.
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Hmmmmm... well, I think this was about the time I picked up gaming. I can tell you, on a whole, what my parents policies were for gaming. In the beginning, I was big on Mario, all that stuff... longer than I can even remember really. Mom says she stopped playing after I started beating her, and I don''t even remember that *shrugs*
That said, only a little while later, I was playing Wolfenstein 3D. I mean, I was definitely limited on time and I was obviously disciplined for anything I did wrong (I think the worst thing I ever did was bite someone for making fun of me all day, sort of a vigilanty attack after the teacher''s let the kid get away with it so many times).
I think, as long as you make sure your daughter understands the whole difference versus reality and games, she''ll be ok, but definitely stick with whatever you''re comfortable with.
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I have a 14 month Infant at home and basically its a no blood and guts kinda game policy. So basically Zelda would be ok but Doom wouldn''t... or Simpsons Road Rage is ok (they never get hurt when you hit them) Halo is pushing it I''d say.... But since its not humans your shooting (although the flood is close and migth be pushign it to far for me). Stuff like sports would be fine I''d say. Also games like Mario or Racing games are right up kids allies. I can say my son at about 6 months LOVED mech assault on XBOX. again no blood so its cool.
What I can''t figure out is how my wife will allow Teletubbies in the house but not Doom3
At least in Doom3 I''d be KILLING demons not letting my son watch their spawn 
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If I ever get kids, I''ll refuse to let them play games until they finish Lord of the Rings. It''s so they''ll develop an imagination, instead of getting it nerfed by all this pre-imagined nonsense. No, really.
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Buy a Freddy Fish, Putt-Putt(the car) or Pajama Sam game. They are well done, interactive games for the PC. They may be on consoles now, not sure. If I recall correctly, they are ""mouse driven"" games, no keyboard required. Easy for a small one to navigate around. These entertained my step daughter up to age 7 or so. Dang it''s been a long time ago.
Edit: Forgot to add. If you get the Freddy Fish game about missing Kelp seeds, prepare yourself for having her go around the house acting like a pirate and saying ""Yargh!"" for a few weeks. Was a funny little song.
My 15-month-old girls like to push the pretty buttons on the Xbox controller (I give them the OC to distract them from the one I''m using (it only works for a little while)) but haven''t yet realized that they can affect things on the screen (if it was plugged in).
Anyway, my plan is to basically just follow (tempered by my own intelligence, of course) the ESRB ratings (and their movie counterparts) when it comes to matters of age-appropriateness. As such, I expect I''ll likely get the girls a Gamecube (or similar) due to the generally larger quantity of appropriate-level games once they show an interest.
As long as I''m talking about ""the plan"", I''ll also mention that I hope to be able to get them involved in PC games simply because I want them to become familiar with the equipment since it''s such an essential part of modern-day life (as opposed to consoles - which have their place as well). At least they already have their own keyboard to bang on instead of mine.
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I have a similar feeling to what ALG said above -- I''m worried that the flashy game and movie tie ins for things like LOtR will keep my kids from experiencing the books first...
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I will probably restrict my FPS gaming to after my girl goes to sleep. I already do that, actually. In fact, I don''t do any gaming while she''s up any more. I think it''d be fun to play with her one day in something, but probably not a shooter. Why? Ill-defined reasons, for certain. But I guess just because.
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I agree completely on the FPS angle... and now that I think about it, I pretty much don''t play when they''re up anymore b/c it''s just not possible. (The example mentioned above was when they were less mobile (i.e. still only crawling) and it was a racing game.)
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I have a 4 and 2 year old. I too try to stick less violent games while my children are arround and do almost all my gaming after they go to bed.
I have this vague rule that if you are fighting monsters it is ok as long as it as not over the top. So for example I did not feel bad letting my girls help me play something like AO or EQ for the most part. I would go find some ugly monster and they could help me by pressing buttons. Or even better than monsters anything bug like as they already want me to ""get the buggies"" that invade the house now and then. Doom3 on the other hand I think is just to scary for my children currently even though you fight monsters.
I also did not play things like FarCry arround them or RTS games that look to much like people killing people.
So these are my rather vague parental gaming rules that I try to follow for myself.
I picked up a joystick game that contains DigDug, PacMan, Rally X and more for like $20 that plugs right into the TV that the kids love to use. I also have a bunch of kids, games Freddy Fish being one of them, for the children also.
Best advice I have is do what feels right and you are comfortable with.
Yeah, it seems we are on the same page on games.
When she first saw me playing Halo she ""caught"" me, I thought she was already in bed. I usually never play games of any sort while she is awake, which limits me to 9:00PM to about 10:30PM. Little monster is too smart for me, and she forgets nothing.
I think I''ll hide Halo for now, I''d rather she didn''t play any games, at least for a few years.
Lars
Who can live without Halo since he got FarCry I mean the graphics are insane..
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Yeah, I''m with you. My daughter is about 14 months now, walking and talking and imitating things she hears with alarming frequency...I just don''t want to expose her to the kind of violence and carnage you find in your average FPS until she is much older. Something like Halo is borderline, maybe...but Far Cry, Painkiller, Doom 3, or (God forbid) Riddick...those will wait until after she is asleep, and they will be played on the other end of the house. With headphones on. (*cough* Riddick *cough*)
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Ok, I''m not a parent by any means but have you thought about getting a Nintendo Gamecube or some kid games for the XBox and bringing her into your hobby? Mario Kart and Super Mario Sunshine always get a ton of attention when the little kids are around. Maybe see about if there''s a Dora the Explorer game or some other games/software you can play together. If you give her her own game maybe you can play yours while she''s busy.
Sort of on topic, this past weekend my new Brother In Law (13-years old) just played a FPS for the first time ever. He''s usually a sheltered, non-violent RPG gamer type and never tried one so we fired up the Unreal Tournament 2004 demo on two PCs I have when he saw the game box on my desk. It was a great time, we played co-op until 4 AM. He absolutely loved the game and started getting pretty decent at it. Then his extremely religious Mom came to pick him up and asked ""So what did you guys do?"". My new Brother In Law starts going on and on about ""I shot this guy in the head and the announcer said ""HEAD SHOT!"" and then I took this dune buggy and ran over like 10 bad guys and it said ""Vehicular Manslaughter"" and then I vaporized these guys and their bones fell to the ground"". Needless to say, his Mom wasn''t exactly too happy about it or with me. Now he''s banned from ever playing those games ever again and I''m the one on her s**t list.
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I recommend a Gamecube for kids. My daughters play Nintendo titles more than anything. Double Dash, Luigi''s Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, and Mario Party 4 are all big hits with them. In comparison, there are a few old PS1 kids games they play on the PS2, and the only Xbox game they play is Barbie Wild Horse Rescue. My youngest (4.5 years) is a huge Spiderman fan, so she likes to watch me play Spiderman 2 on the Xbox.
I don''t play most FPS games when they are awake. My oldest (8.5 years) really liked Nerf Arena Blast and beat it on the hardest level, and we recently started playing some Timesplitters 2 in co-op mode on the GC since that''s pretty cartoony.
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My 4 year old loves UT2k4. More importantly he likes the dune buggy type things (Ok, yes, I know they''re called scorpions). I turned off gore and pretty much avoid combat while he''s ''helping''. the 6 and the 4 year olds used to love to help me play NWN but the wife pretty much shut that down.
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Here''s a question: I have a friend whose daughter will soon have her 4th birthday. Since they have no videogames in the house, I decided to bring one of the joystick videogame things as a present (specifically http://www.thinkgeek.com/cubegoodies/toys/68ef/, the ms.pacman caught my eye). Would this be a good gift for a child of her age who''s never been exposed to videogames?
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Depends on what the reason is for there not being videogames in the house. Could be akin to bringing wine to a dinner party hosted by devout Muslims. Check with the parents, it might be less appreciated by them than ""the toys that make the noise"" to borrow a phrase from Denis Leary.
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Well, the dad still occasionally becomes addicted to scrolling shooters. The mom isn''t a gamer, but has potential
I''d told them about this idea of mine a while ago, and they seemed interested. I just wanted to know if Pacman will be reasonably easy for the girl to get into.
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I recently got my 4 year old daughter a Leapster by Leap Frog. It one of those edutainment type things, but looks like a big, fat Gameboy Advance. She absolutely loves it. It''s got a stylus input too for training them to draw and write numbers/letters. It''s really neat. I picked up a drawing game, a Dora game, and a Disney Princesses game. It comes with a pack-in, too. It''s a little spendy at $79.99, and $24.99 for the games, but I''m more comfortable letting her set in front of this and learn while she plays than just turning her loose on the Gamecube or something.
On the big console side, she enjoys playing, or watching me play, the Scooby Doo games Mystery Mayhem and Night of 100 Frights (GC), Simpsons: Hit & Run (Xbox), Super Monkey Ball 2 (GC), Jimmy Neutron:Jet Fusion (GC), Fairly Oddparents: Breakin'' Da Rules (Xbox), Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy (GC), and ESPN NFL 2k5 (Xbox).
On the PC/Mac side of things, the local CostCo carries boxes with like 4-6 of the kind of games mentioned earlier in the thread for as low as $15. Freddy Fish, Disney, Putt Putt, Dora, etc. She really likes these, too.
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