The Bourne Supremacy

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Or as I like to call it: How to ruin an excellent movie with the worst camera work EVER.

Good god, you cannot see anything that goes on in that film, someone needs to take that director out back and shoot him, many times, over and over.

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Is it bad enough to induce vommitting? I still have nightmares about those easily disturbed people at that screening for Blair Witch years ago...

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I seriously hope it hasn''t screwed the movie up that much. I''m taking it in Monday and hoping it will be twice as good as I hope.

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Is it bad enough to induce vommitting? I still have nightmares about those easily disturbed people at that screening for Blair Witch years ago...

WORSE.

I agree with Sinatar completely on this one. Great movie, stupid stupid camera work.

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Ya its WORSE then Blair Witch, WORSE and its an ACTION movie.

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Ya I gotta agree, saw it last night. Though I still enjoyed it, the constant handy cam style camera works really annoyed me, and even started to hurt my eyes. I also really hated how he did the old constant cuts in the fight scenes. One of the things I liked a lot about the Bourne Identity was how real the fight scenes felt, no fancy camera work or cuts, just the fight.

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I don''t know, the camera work didn''t bother me much, certainly not enough to affect my opinion of the movie (which I really liked).

Oddly enough the only movie I''ve seen where the camera work physically affected me was one of the LotR movies... we were sitting way too close at a really big screen and the fight scenes made me rather dizzy.

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Well since the movies barely match the books - probably less than I, Robot I hope it is at least some good action... I have a weekend full of movies planned when I get back next Thursday and this was one of the ones I wanted to see. I hope to get in Spider Man 2, I, Robot, the Bourne Supremacy... any other good ones out? Suggestions?

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It was still an okay movie, I enjoyed parts of it. But really there is no excuse for not putting the camera on a damn tripod. Having a shaky camera during dialogue scenes is just uncalled for, it was making me nauseous.

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I may not go see this one then and wait for the DVD - I dont like the idea of yakking in the theater .

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I was surprised how much I liked the first movie...I''ll be curious to see if I can get past the camera work...

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I don''t know who started that whole ""Can''t tell what''s going on during a battle"" thing, but they should be shot. The one I remember the most was the Gladiator fight scenes. Everyone was raving about them (""He fights a tiger duuuude""), but I still think they were edited like crap.

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I''ll agree with the good movie yet sh*t camera work crowd. The movie played out well, had an interesting plot (though not as good as the first) and lots of interesting twists. Yet as was stated before, the camera looks like it was held by an acrobat on crack. It definitely brought the movie down a notch.

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I just got back from seeing it. I really enjoyed it and yeah, the camera work is too much.

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We saw it last night and thought the same thing:

Decent movie/ AWFUL camera work. Two in our party fell asleep because they couldn''t tell what was going on.

The weird thing is that they filmed most of the scenes with regular means, and I think most of the shake was added digitaly. Which makes NO sense whatsoever. None. Maybe they will have a special edition where there is no DP with epilepsy.

And some of the angles they shot were SO much better than the ones they used! (I saw the making of on MTV, and you saw a lot of the pre/shakes footage).

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The movie played out well, had an interesting plot (though not as good as the first) and lots of interesting twists.

Interesting twists? Did we see the same movie? I mean, damn... it was like the director put the marker in your hand and dragged it along the dots he had painstakingly left in a straight line on the script. I swear he was shouting ""NO! Don''t look over there! Focus! Nothing interesting ever happens over there!"". Then he shook the camera a lot. Probably to keep you from looking somewhere else.

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Gluh. Shaky-cam. Well, i''ll prepare myself mentally to go to see it tomorrow. Thanks for the heads-up everyone.

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I wish I had read this thread before I went to see it tonight. I agree that the movie was good, but not as good as it could have been if they had just had some kind of stabilizer on the camera. I was hoping to see some fight scenes and action like the first one, but they ruined nearly every action scene in the movie with their camera work and the car chase scenes could have been much better if you didn''t feel like you were watching them from a tilt-a-whirl.

Seriously, do not pay the late movie prices...if you have to see it on the big screen. I really would like to have seen this movie with plain old-fashioned camera work Maybe we''ll get lucky and they will do something for the DVD version to make it bearable.

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The best was an opening sequence (this won''t be a spoiler) where a character is sitting at a desk writing -- the camera is moving around a bit -- enough to be distracting. Next scene starts with a helicopter fly-over-the-city shot, oddly it is perfectly smooth. I guess they couldn''t have a handy cam guy shaking the camera around on the helicopter while they''re shooting -- because if they could have, this fricking director would have done it.

Otherwise, a decent -- albeit straight forward -- thriller.

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"Edgar_Newt wrote:
The best was an opening sequence (this won''t be a spoiler) where a character is sitting at a desk writing -- the camera is moving around a bit -- enough to be distracting. Next scene starts with a helicopter fly-over-the-city shot, oddly it is perfectly smooth. I guess they couldn''t have a handy cam guy shaking the camera around on the helicopter while they''re shooting -- because if they could have, this fricking director would have done it.

Otherwise, a decent -- albeit straight forward -- thriller.

Much like when he is searching for clues on the internet and the cameraman is having a spastic seizure or something, while filiming bourne sitting in a chair surfing the net.

In a related note, the director is Paul Greengrass. I do believe I will be boycotting anything else this hack (god forbid) gets hired to make.

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"Sinatar wrote:
Or as I like to call it: How to ruin an excellent movie with the worst camera work EVER.

Good god, you cannot see anything that goes on in that film, someone needs to take that director out back and shoot him, many times, over and over.

Funny, just goes to show ""different strokes.""

I thought the camera work was excellent. I liked the fact that nothing was slowed down, that there was a gritty realism to it.

Great movie.

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"SpyNavy wrote:
Well since the movies barely match the books - probably less than I, Robot I hope it is at least some good action... I have a weekend full of movies planned when I get back next Thursday and this was one of the ones I wanted to see. I hope to get in Spider Man 2, I, Robot, the Bourne Supremacy... any other good ones out? Suggestions?

I rank them thusly:

I,Robot
Spiderman 2
Bourne Supremacy

See them in reverse order if you want to save the best for last.

Keep in mind, however, that all three are well above your average ""Summer movie.""

I''d say check out Farenheit 9/11, but folks would probably stone me for that.

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I thought the camera work was excellent. I liked the fact that nothing was slowed down, that there was a gritty realism to it.

I must say I''m with the majority on this one. Good flick that was practically ruined by idiotic cinematography. There''s a way to film things so that they''re gritty and realistic but also visible. In the first movie, when Bourne took out the guards at the embassy you got the sense that you were watching one of the more dangerous people on Earth. In this one you got the impression that there were humans (possibly) somewhere in the scene doing things, perhaps involving fighting or high-speed tandem needlepoint.

Same with the car chases. We assume that there were several cars involved and that on occasion they would contact each other in alarming ways. They were relatively exciting still but so friggin'' obscured through blur-cam and shakey-cam shots that the excitement you would ordinarily derive from such insane driving was diminished.

In the hands of someone who wasn''t afraid to actually show you what was going on for more than a second at a time, that movie could have been awesome as an action flick. As it stands it''s marred.

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Its gonna suck, but not as bad as Catwoman.

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I just got back from seeing it. I really enjoyed it and yeah, the camera work is too much.

Funny, you guys are all gamers, but a little shakey cam gets you all upset!

Hell, I''ve seen more stuttering and W-t-f-is-going-on in BFV, and most of you guys have played that.

I''ll sit here like Scalia, comfortable in the knowledge that, despite being in the minority, I''m right.

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Funny, you guys are all gamers, but a little shakey cam gets you all upset!

Hell, I''ve seen more stuttering and W-t-f-is-going-on in BFV, and most of you guys have played that.

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Your monitor must be made of jello for you to experience anything like that in a game. And you almost prove my point for me there, we''re all gamers and most of us don''t get motion sickness easily. I sat through the Blair Witch Project without batting an eye, and I''ve never had a FPS make me sick. I actually got nauseous in the car chase scene. Take that as you will.

Besides, the beef isn''t with getting sick, it''s with obscuring what would otherwise be fun action sequences. The camera was shaking so badly, and zoomed so far in that I couldn''t tell what was going on, that was my problem. The fight with the German man? I couldn''t tell who won till it was almost over because they were both wearing black shirts.

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"SpyNavy wrote:
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Any buzz on the Alien vs. Predator Movie?

I saw a commercial for it yesterday, looked good, I liked the settings, but who can every really tell with the trailers these days?

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Besides, the beef isn''t with getting sick, it''s with obscuring what would otherwise be fun action sequences. The camera was shaking so badly, and zoomed so far in that I couldn''t tell what was going on, that was my problem. The fight with the German man? I couldn''t tell who won till it was almost over because they were both wearing black shirts.

See, that''s the part that I actually liked.

To often directors get by with a scripted, ballet-like fight sequence (see Jackie Chan, et. all, as well as every single blockbuster film this year) in lieu of something dramatic.

The fight scene with ""the Professor"" (he''s in the first film) is nasty, frenetic, and short. Like two people really trying to kill each other. And you can''t tell who''s winning-that adds to the drama.

Just my 2 cents though.

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My wife came out of this movie saying, ""Does the whole movie have to be tense?"" We both really like the first one, but yeah...

Maybe if I thought doing drugs was a cool thing, I''d do them, and get seriously freaked out watching this movie. As it was, it distracted me enough to scratch any chance of me staying ""in the movie."" I should not be thinking, ""my god, steady cam? please?"" in the middle of a movie.

And yeah, both spidey and i, robot rocked. This was...pretty good and unnecessarily annoying.

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I''ve never seen anything as shaky and unwatchable as this movie in a video game, except maybe getting super-spin stunned by a monster in Everquest while in the middle of a 100 person raid with spell effects turned on max....that might come close to how unwatchable the action sequences in this movie were.

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