Emulators and Roms: Your Opinion
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004 - 12:37am
I have used Roms and Emulators in my past. If I could find a decent site or if I had some spare time I would acutally look for them and play some old games again. What are your guys opinions on them.
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I used them a lot in the past when I was particularly poor... don''t use them much now.
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For, I think old games shouldn''t die. I''ve never really been into them, but it''s nice to know if I wanted to play Excitebike, I could do it without my Nintendo.
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If it was just one game you wanted to play, I''d have no problem with it. But if it''s legal to download one game, there is no stopping downloading the entire NES library for free. That''s not right.
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my vote cancels out yours
As I see it though, we in America get the shaft... old games are easy to find in Japan, as I understand it... still manufactured on a smaller scale, but not so here. I used to own all my old faves from the NES, so I figure it''s kewl to go back and download them. Hell, in some cases, no one would even be making any money off the games anymore anyway, so what difference does that make?
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The checkout girl at Circuit City was going on and on about how she doesn''t buy any GBA games any more, since she has an emulator and can download all the games for FREE. Glad her boss wasn''t around...
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Definitely for!
But only for pre-PS era machines such as: Nes, Master system, Snes, Mega drive/Genesis, Arcade boards and my trusty Amiga 600.
I''ve so many games that would never have seen the light of day from out of my cupboard otherwise.
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Emulators are great. Four friends and I played Super Bomberman 2 on my xbox this weekend. What a blast.
Definitely for, but like ilium, mainly/only for the old, old stuff.
And good old Wizardry 1 on Apple ][+.
I loved C-64 Elite, but it''s been a while since I saw anyone selling it.
Both systems have good emus out there.
I also think that Bleem! was a great idea and should definitely be legal, but I wouldn''t support anyone downloading PS1 cd images to play ""free"" games on their PC with Bleem! If you sold/broke/lost your PS1 and have the games, though, I think that''s a good substitute.
Emus to get new games for ""free"" - bad.
Emus to reminisce(sp? ) or to replace hardware - good.
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That about sums up my position on the whole subject, although I don''t think that hardware issues really are an out-they still sell the PS1, you know.
I think that when I started to be able to afford my own new games I backed off the EMU stuff. It''s a grey area about legality. I honestly wish more companies would public domain the really old stuff. It would make things easier to get the older games.
Then again Nintendo couldn''t charge 20.00 for a 15 year old game I guess.
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If for no other reason than my wife would kill me if I had a real arcade.
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I don''t see the harm in emulating games that are impossible to find these days.
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It seems to me that they considered these games worthless until observing the relative popularity of emulators.
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Exactly buzz, just like any other media company it takes rampant piracy for them to wake up to new markets. Like Napster, for instance. I consider them healthy for the industry for that reason alone, they''ve created a few new markets. People sell actual arcade roms legally now.
I am definitely for emulators to replace hardware that''s impossible or hard to find. I also don''t mind downloading older games that are hard to find or I consider them overpriced (i.e. 20.00 for an NES game). I don''t download XBox images and put them on my HDD though.
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I only support it for the playing of old, mostly impossible to find arcade games.
"Is that your blood?"
"Some of it, yeah."
Speaking of which... There was a game I used to love to play, but I can''t remember the name of it. It was similar to a Defender kind of game.
You were out to save people who lived at the bottom of the screen.
But the graphics and game play were brought up to date for the 90''s.
You could change the config of your ship. One config was for speed, one was for maneuverability and more accurate shooting. In this second config you controlled a turret on the ship with a knob instead of the joystick.
The third config was for power and better armor, I think.
I remember a lot of green in the palate.
Anyone have any idea what I''m talking about?
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For. Just tried SSI''s old Six Gun Shootout for C64. What a hoot.
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For those who see nothing wrong with ROM piracy, what happens when/if it ceases to be abandonware? When a version of Intellivision Greatest Hits or somesuch comes out, a substantial portion of people with the illegal ROMs for the games aren''t going to buy it. The copyright holders aren''t just being evil in condemning ROMs of their games; they have valid reasons to be angry about them.
OTOH, companies are being absolutely stupid for not selling authorizing versions of the ROMs. Plenty of people would happily give 5 bucks or so to legally play some of the great games from the past, and that''s a whole lot more than the publishers are making off the underground ROM trade and copyrights that gather dust.
Personally, I stay away from downloading ROMs just like I don''t download MP3s. I have enough things to worry about without getting a letter describing my 5-figure settlement options, thanks.
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I mostly use MAME for getting very old arcade machine games or C64 games. I still have my Amiga 500 so don''t need anything for that. If it is readily available, I don''t download it. When the release arcade compilations, I generally buy them if they are halfway decent. I NEVER pirate newer games though!
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This is the only one I can remember that had saving people...no ship configuration stuff though.
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=&game_id=9845
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I wonder if there was ever a sequel/update to this game... Because other than the other stuff I mentioned, it sounds pretty close.
Maybe I was dreaming...
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No no! That was it! The deal was player 2 could attach himself to player 1''s ship and become turret. Excellent!
Been trying to find this damned game for years.
Anyone have a good ROM repository?
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"Some of it, yeah."
That hits the crux of the problem. I would pay $5 for just about any ROM, if it were offered as an option, so would everyone else, I wager. $5 for Mortal Kombat? Mario? Defender? Here''s my check book.
But they don''t, which forces you into a greay area legally, If the game is truly abandoned, then you are free to do with it what you want if the original authors don''t speak up for it. If someone claims the game off ""waivers'' then its piracy.
I''m not sure if someone repackaging the ROMS in some neat little joystick makes ROMS of those games illegal, since I don''t have any knowledge if there was a transfer of rights in those cases.
Just because they are licensed doesn''t mean that the licenses have the right to enforce the original copyright.
I think I''m more attracted to the idea of having 1,000,000 ROM''s then actually playing them. Nostalgia lasts approximately 5 minutes, and I realize I could be playing much, much better games instead.
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I think it is great to play the old DOS/Amiga/C64/SNES/NES/MegaDrive games I own, but no longer have a system for. Its not like the consoles last forever and I really doubt a lot of the disks/cartridges would still work today. Yet I can play them on an actual system without much hassle. I don''t see why I should have to pay for them again though, because I bought them back then already.
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Definately for ROMs and emulators since without them a huge number of old games would be gone forever. As far as legality, it was my understanding that games older than 10 years become part of the public domain. Copyrights only last so long, and I think it''s especially short on games.
A pretty good site I''ve been to (10+ year old stuff only, no piracy) is http://www.the-underdogs.org/
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The problem is that I don''t consider that a valid reason for them to be angry. Try to keep a little perspective about it, we''re talking about potential profits of something they might choose to sell that costs them nothing to produce. These games in a joystick and ""classic NES series"" games are a direct result of emulation. That''s the problem with monopolies, there is no innovation because they have no incentive. It takes 3rd parties to innovate in the distribution of copyrighted goods, which happens to be illegal. It''s the same story that every other industry has played out over and over again. New technology comes out, the big players ignore it until someone comes along and illegally makes it popular. Then they pay attention, innovate and make tons of cash. Think VCRs, or Radio, or Cable, or Satellite or Napster. They all followed this pattern. So it is with Roms. The second I can get an NES game for a decent amount of money, I''ll pay it. Until then I''ll use emulation. Nintendo can whine and moan and try to throw me in jail, or they can get off their ass and make some money. They seem to be doing the latter. They could throw a hissy fit, but alot of good it''ll do them.
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Agreed, good games are being lost because they are not manufactured anymore. And it sucks big time. If i could find a good NES/SNES rom repository, i''d rather replay those classics than the latest mario FPS.
Same thing happens on the PC scene and it pisses me off... Sierra holding the rights to Quest for glory? Come on, they''ll never market anything again under this brand. I don''t even want the VGA upgraded version, just the original.
That''s interesting. One of my friends is obsessed with pirating tv shows, movies, anime series, etc. He NEVER watches anything - he''s just stuck inf ront of the machine, downloading things, and every now and then shows me a clip off a movie or something. He''s got hundreds of CDRs with really odd stuff.
I guess he''s more of a collector. He buys plenty of DVDs too, but nowhere near the amount that he pirates.
He doesn''t sell anything, sometimes he gives programs to friends at school. I find it amusing. Sometimes I come in and he''s like ""WOW! I have 10 gigs of old 70''s and 80''s games!"". He never plays any of them of course... he''s too busy downloading them.
Also, what about porn? Porn is copyrighted too, yet no one seems to bother porn downloaders.
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