Farenheit 9/11 trailer
Tuesday, June 15th, 2004 - 4:39pm
I just saw this today, and it's pretty funny. Bush's statement at the end... Wow, you can't make that stuff up. Quicktime.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/lions_gate/fahrenheit_911/
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This''ll get P&Ced in 5...4...3...2...1...
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Michael Moore is a scandalist.
It is a well-known fact that he took things out of context and tossed them around as he saw fit in ""Bowling for Columbine"".
He''s a person for whom ""making an engaging movie"" takes priority over ""telling the truth"".
With that philosophy he could probably become a great computer game designer (cue Warren Spector quote here).
However given how he makes fictional movies about real events, the value of his cinematic material puts him somewhere on the level of a circus clown.
Ok, that didn''t take long. Perhaps it would be better to move this one.
The man wears a bucket of KFC on his head. I wouldn't expect anything less. - Pred
Believe it or not, even someone at Fox News is saying good things about this movie.
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And thus did that writer lose his job.
"Just remember that sometimes you need to allow problems to just roll like water off of a duckilama's back." ~Reaper
The big problem is that the film is an indictment of bad things it mostly makes up. If you like your unthinking propaganda, here''s a fine movie for you.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
Wow. Those quotes are potent stuff.
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
Bowling for Columbine suffered from this problem, but has anything in this film been shown to be false yet?
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
The central attack that Bush flew Bin Laden''s family out immediately after 9/11.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
A funny thing about Michael Moore, there is a film being produced called ""Michael Moore Hates America"" and Moore refuses to be interviewed by the film maker. I''m not sure any of you have seen Roger and Me but the film mirrors that. Moore is a gas bag and a liar. This film will do well and sell to people who hate Bush, about 75% of the Democratic party.
I haven''t seen it but I will and then I''ll attack it for what is in it.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Moore isn''t a very nice person:
http://www.nbc6.net/entertainment/3390666/detail.html
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
And from this story and your other one, Ulairi, Moore is a hypocrite, apparently...
What a surprise.
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
Bradbury comes off as an un-mitigated ass in that article, though.
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And now it''s time....for the rest of the story.....
Who was it that flew Bin Laden''s family out after 9/11....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38669
Richard Clarke...""I take responsibility for it. I don''t think it was a mistake, and I''d do it again,"" Clarke told The Hill newspaper yesterday.
and now you know...the rest of the story....Which of course is not nearly as entertaining as Michael Moore''s version of the events is.
I''m sure his movie is fun, but I hate watching documentaries when you know that some of the stuff may be true and the other stuff is just false or blatant lies.
Now in Michael Moore''s defense it was Richard Clarke that changed his story.
Another thing in the clip is when Michael Moore goes up to the congressman and says he wants to sign up family members to Iraq, the Congressman says that he has nephews in the war, and he''d be glad to help. Michael Moore sheepishly walks away. The scene, although in the trailer, has been removed from the movie.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/politics/8865644.htm?ERIGHTS=6316161449936793732twincities::lawyeron@yahoo.com&KRD_RM=6mpvrmsottqtnmouqmmmmmmmmo|Ronald|N&is_rd=Y
One thing that apparently is true, and what I believe will be the most controversial aspect of the film (Iraqi prisoner tortures not withstanding) is George Bush reading to children for several minutes after being told about the plane hitting the twin towers. He''ll have to make a statement about that incident.
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He''s pissed off. How would you feel if someone stole your title and won''t talk with you about it? Moore is an asshole and a lair. It doesn''t matter to the nuts that eat this garbage up. They hate Bush, they hate America (as it is, as it was, and as it was intended to be), they are hateful people.
The ""pro-American"" film will not get any press because by and large the entertainment media and general media agree with Moore.
It doesn''t matter how many times Moore lies or edits creativly, they still want to belive.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Paul Harvey?
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I''ve never understood about this. Bush new about the attack but he just couldn''t get up and run away, 11 minutes is not a long time. There is no proof someone told him to get up and leave and the only problem is that it is caught on camera of him being shocked. I think everyone would be.
I don''t understand what the point Moore is trying to make.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Ulairi, don''t you know that the president is supposed to run from the room every time a plane crashes?
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
That depends on what Card told the President. If he said ""A plane crashed"", I wouldn''t think it would be necessary to interrupt the President for that. Some are suggesting he said ""America is under attack"".
I don''t know what was said, but the video is damning and the President will need to address it, whether he says ""I didn''t want to scare the children"", or, ""I freaked out"", or, ""it wasn''t made clear to me the gravity of the situation"", it can not be left unanswered.
Watch the video and let me know what you think...
http://www.thememoryhole.com/911/bush-911.mov
Like I said, it is important to know what he was told. Knowing how paranoid the Secret Service is, if it was known that we were under attack, they would have pulled him out of the seat without asking permission. That is just common sense. I would like to think he was quickly told ""A plane hit a building"" so he wouldn''t be caught off guard by the press, looking puzzled at a tragedy.
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Given how hard it can be to react appropriately to shocking news, I don''t necessarily fault Bush for continuing to read. I find the two quotes in the trailer to be far more troubling given the deliberation with which he makes light of serious problems. Assuming Moore has not monkeyed around with them, of course.
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
Which two quotes? His joke to wealthy contributors, poking fun people who hate successful people, or the one on the golf course which shows that he can interrupt a day off to be serious? What is your problem with either of those?
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
It''s context. Obviously George Bush was playing golf and was egged on to make a quote, he made his quote and a quip and went on with his game. Of course in the movie they''ll show him swing his golf club and then the body of a dead marine.
Moore has made his intentions clear in this movie. He does not want George Bush to be reelected. It''s funny, because Kerry promises 40,000 more troops in Iraq, but I''m sure the irony of that is lost on Michael Moore, a man who supported General Clark. The same General who was lambasted by Michael Moore in the Columbine movie for bombing the hell out of people in Serbia.
Michael Moore is insincere.
Alien, how did you react when you first heard about 9/11? Did you keep doing what you were doing or did you try to get more information? Bush better be ready for this.
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I don''t think it will cause any stir. The people think of Bush on 9/11 with the megaphone not in the class room. If he is asked he''ll just say something.
People who hold onto that are clining to threads and not getting any real sway.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
My experience doesn''t really count because it was so weird. I was in Italy and watching it on Italian television so - not being able to speak Italian - all I had was the video and I thought it was a bad thriller movie. Then it took until the next morning to find somebody with enough English and time to explain what the hell happened.
My own personal recollection that I think would be a closer analogy to Bush''s experience at the school is learning that someone you care about has died. I tend to walk around like a zombie for a little bit when that happens - functional, but not really a good decision-maker.
I can accept that the golf quote could be a setup. It''s really the fundraiser quote that gets me. His naked acknowledgement that his administration is an administration built by and for the wealthiest Americans is offensive to my sense of social justice. Of course, that''s coming from a guy whose sense of what the U.S. is all about and how it should be run is wildly different from Bush''s, and whose vote has been for the anti-Bush all along. Maybe if you don''t share my own views on how the country should be run, e.g. potential swing voters, the school video will have a stronger impact. If that''s true, then Bush should be more worried about it.
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
I really don''t like the way Michael Moore does things at all. When I saw Bowling and when I see this new one I''ll consider it a comedy and little more than that. You just can''t trust anything he puts forward since so much of it is based on misrepresentations and out of context.
He may have some valid evidence but it''s lost in the BS.
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I agree Certis, but you have to admit, Bowling for Columbine had a lot of nice things to say about Canada.
And Alien13z, the statement at the fundraiser was a joke. He was poking fun at the adage that the Republican base is considered to be a bunch of millionaires. As millionaires only make up 1 per cent of the population, it logically can not be said that they make up the republican ""base"".
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Moore has taken that statement out of context. It was a joke. Moore also misrepresented Bush''s ""This would be a lot easier if it were a dictatorship"" as Bush trying to destroy democracy.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
I remember when the first plane crashed. Everyone thought it was just an accident. I remember hearing on CNN that day that the President was told a plane had crashed into the WTC. That happened 2-3 minutes after the first plane crashed. No one had any idea that it was anything other than a tragic accident. I realize that a plane crashing into a building is a big deal under any circumstances, but there is no reason to think that the President should have leapt up and forseen that another plane was following.
I am not sure what you mean by this? What do you mean by ''social justice''? Equal opportunity does not mean equal results.
"It's so much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much about the problem." - Malcolm Forbes
To liberals it does. There are two thoughts with equality, one in opportunity (the start) and the others in the ends.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Perfect example. ""Canadians don''t lock their doors and it''s 100% safe happy happy all the time!"" Pfft.
That''s always been my take on it too.
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