Hey, maybe someone else will pick up the title - which might turn out to be a plus in the long run.
I for one am at least happy to see that we won''t have another title dragged on as vaporware for months or years...
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
MMOG scene is in trouble...too many titles..too little market..and a very narrow demographic..
MS is basically putting all its eggs in the MMORPG scene with Sigil..
There hasnt been a successful MMOG launched in quite some time... other than FFXI which had an advantage with its IP its been really ugly out there..
I tell you one thing...the money dried up REAL fast for MMOG''s...I know a couple projects that are running on fumes...I get almost weekly emails asking for money..which they aint getting sadly.
again...there needs to be a huge change in design philosophy for any sort of real breakthroughs to happen...
This endless PVE EQ cloning aint going to cut it...
It''s like trying to have 50 amazon.com''s.. .whats the point?
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
I agree. While the MMO market isn''t going to die completely anytime soon, I see more of a future (and more of a market) for games that support user-run persistent worlds on a smaller scale, like Neverwinter Nights, or FPS games like Battlefield 1942 and Call of Duty.
I think the performance (or lack thereof) of the ""experimental"" MMO''s has indicated a certain lack of an audience. World War II Online, the Sims Online, and Planetside have all performed well below expectations (or hype). I''m not saying that only fantasy/sci-fi-rpg MMO''s can succeed, but it just doesn''t seem like the concept or market is ready for success yet.
And yeah, there''s a glut of MMO''s right now both active and in development, and there are going to be some serious bombs before the market hits a balance.
It isn''t just a market problem. MMOG''s can''t compete with single player/limited multiplayer in terms of graphics. EQ is the ugliest game I regularly play, and it runs far worse than any other game I have. Sure the newer ones look better, and maybe perform better than EQ, but I haven''t seen anything that I think compares to the best FPS games.
Hey, maybe someone else will pick up the title - which might turn out to be a plus in the long run.
I for one am at least happy to see that we won''t have another title dragged on as vaporware for months or years...
Don''t expect anyone else to pick up the title. It wasn''t published by MS it was fully owned and developed by the MGS.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
The least they could do is just give it out to the public, if they are just going to let the code rot away on some hard drive. I know that that would never happen, but since they aren''t going to be making any money off of it, and they don''t appear to want to sell it to anyone else, it sounded like a good idea
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The least they could do is just give it out to the public, if they are just going to let the code rot away on some hard drive. I know that that would never happen, but since they aren''t going to be making any money off of it, and they don''t appear to want to sell it to anyone else, it sounded like a good idea
It''s still tech that they can use in other games. I wanted the game live so they could hire me.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
This is exactly what I was talking about a few years ago, it''s really no different than the RTS glut a few years back. Simply not enough pie for everyone to get a piece. Damn shame though, I know Elysium was really excited about it and they had some great ideas.
We''ll see what Brad McQuaid and Sigil come up with.
Dangit I was looking forward to this game more than any other MMORPG because it was actually going to do something new. Bugger microsoft. Why couldn''t they have just bought out and then trashed some of the stupider MMORPGs running around to open up market share for their game, which actually had promise? Sigh.
Well, if the internet rumor mill is to be believed, it was canceled so that Microsoft can buy Blizzard so that WoW could be an XBox exclusive (for a while - think Halo).
Well, if the internet rumor mill is to be believed, it was canceled so that Microsoft can buy Blizzard so that WoW could be an XBox exclusive (for a while - think Halo).
I am so tired of people posting things that show up on the internet. There is no factual basis for this rumour other than pure speculation. It isn''t from a ""close source to Blizzard"" or VU or Microsoft. People got this from a MESSAGE BOARD. Any time anything happens some website posts that Microsoft will buy them.
WoW will not be Xbox exclusive. It will not happen. The game has been in development for the PC and for MMORPGS means you CANNOT JUST PORT IT.
Microsoft has a deal with Sigil Games (Brad''s new outfit) and MMORPGS are no longer a sure fire hit. There is a glut of them out there.
I''m not trying to flame anyone just a rant about poor online gaming journalism.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
I thought evilavatar was a joke site. Or was that somethingawful? Anyway, I can''t believe things are going so well for Microsoft that they can just go around buying companies to get exclusives for XBox.
Okay, for the record (once again and for the last time): Heise.de is a site that has quite a reputation and is definitely credible. However, the tidbit mentioned at EA is not an article at the site. It''s a post in one of the threads. Every idiot can post there, so there''s basically no substance behind this. This is as trustworthy as linking to some moron speculating on the IGN forums and going like ""IGN is reporting...""
Whoever it was to bring up said post...
1) ... he can''t speak (properly) German - well, in that case one shouldn''t mention content from German sites in the first place.
2) ... he can understand German - in that case he''s an idiot because it''s totally obvious that this is a forum post. Well, you don''t even have to be capable of understanding that language to see that.
I am so tired of people posting things that show up on the internet. There is no factual basis for this rumour other than pure speculation. It isn''t from a ""close source to Blizzard"" or VU or Microsoft. People got this from a MESSAGE BOARD. Any time anything happens some website posts that Microsoft will buy them.
Oh come on now.... What good is the internet if we take away rumor and innuendo? Anonymity does wonders for increasing the entertainment value! Anyway, how much stuff gets posted here (or anywhere for that matter) that isn''t from the internet?
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Sunday, February 15th, 2004 - 12:15pm
"TheGameguru wrote:
It wouldnt suprise me if Microsoft acquired the VU games division..
It would suprise me that they made WoW and Xbox exclusive. Would make very little fiscal sense.
Especially since they are sitting on a war chest that boggles the mind. Strategic acquisitions are definitely the way to go, since those acquisitions would support their overall strategy, but I''m wondering at this point if VU games is such a great catch.
Other than Blizzard, and the rights to the Blizzard games, its not as though VU has hit anything out of the park recently. Sure Homeworld 2 was good, but that''s just it, it was good, not great. What else have they got? Black Isle is closed, and the others are merely treading water.
A better overall buy, one which would support their Microsoft anywhere, all the time, would be Nintendo. And they are profitable.
I am so tired of people posting things that show up on the internet. There is no factual basis for this rumour other than pure speculation. It isn''t from a ""close source to Blizzard"" or VU or Microsoft. People got this from a MESSAGE BOARD. Any time anything happens some website posts that Microsoft will buy them.
Are you in fact suggesting that someone would post a non-verified report on the internet, where it could be read by the public? How dare you!
I will say good day to you sir.
"I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb." -Charles K.
It wouldnt suprise me if Microsoft acquired the VU games division..
It would suprise me that they made WoW and Xbox exclusive. Would make very little fiscal sense.
Especially since they are sitting on a war chest that boggles the mind. Strategic acquisitions are definitely the way to go, since those acquisitions would support their overall strategy, but I''m wondering at this point if VU games is such a great catch.
Other than Blizzard, and the rights to the Blizzard games, its not as though VU has hit anything out of the park recently. Sure Homeworld 2 was good, but that''s just it, it was good, not great. What else have they got? Black Isle is closed, and the others are merely treading water.
A better overall buy, one which would support their Microsoft anywhere, all the time, would be Nintendo. And they are profitable.
They''re sitting on a war chest but VU Games has one gem, Blizzard. MS has wasted a ton of money on Rare and that doesn''t look like it is turning out well. Just because MS has a lot of money doesn''t mean they will blow it for the games division which doesn''t make them any cash.
I could see EA buying it since they buy everything else.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
I tell you one thing...the money dried up REAL fast for MMOG''s...I know a couple projects that are running on fumes...I get almost weekly emails asking for money..which they aint getting sadly.
Waitasecond, You get emails from MMOG companies asking for fiscal buoying?
Who are you?
And, will it turn out later on that you''re not actually left-handed?
Sorry Spunior, I missed where they credited Heise when I read the quote.
Oh, my statement wasn''t meant to be a response to your remark. I just wanted to point that out again for everyone that had actually seen the original newstidbit at EA and explain why it''s nonsense.
Wow, that is a total shock. At least for me.
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WTF?
Its too early for April Fools jokes.
We havent really heard of it for some time but this is a shock.
Being fangoriously devoured by a gelatinous monster.
Hey, maybe someone else will pick up the title - which might turn out to be a plus in the long run.
I for one am at least happy to see that we won''t have another title dragged on as vaporware for months or years...
Reagan understood that the key to peace was never arms control. Security had nothing to do with the number of weapons, it had everything to do with the intention and power of those who possessed them. - Charles Krauthammer
MMOG scene is in trouble...too many titles..too little market..and a very narrow demographic..
MS is basically putting all its eggs in the MMORPG scene with Sigil..
There hasnt been a successful MMOG launched in quite some time... other than FFXI which had an advantage with its IP its been really ugly out there..
I tell you one thing...the money dried up REAL fast for MMOG''s...I know a couple projects that are running on fumes...I get almost weekly emails asking for money..which they aint getting sadly.
again...there needs to be a huge change in design philosophy for any sort of real breakthroughs to happen...
This endless PVE EQ cloning aint going to cut it...
It''s like trying to have 50 amazon.com''s.. .whats the point?
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
http://www.myspace.com/armyofthepharaohs
I agree. While the MMO market isn''t going to die completely anytime soon, I see more of a future (and more of a market) for games that support user-run persistent worlds on a smaller scale, like Neverwinter Nights, or FPS games like Battlefield 1942 and Call of Duty.
I think the performance (or lack thereof) of the ""experimental"" MMO''s has indicated a certain lack of an audience. World War II Online, the Sims Online, and Planetside have all performed well below expectations (or hype). I''m not saying that only fantasy/sci-fi-rpg MMO''s can succeed, but it just doesn''t seem like the concept or market is ready for success yet.
And yeah, there''s a glut of MMO''s right now both active and in development, and there are going to be some serious bombs before the market hits a balance.
It isn''t just a market problem. MMOG''s can''t compete with single player/limited multiplayer in terms of graphics. EQ is the ugliest game I regularly play, and it runs far worse than any other game I have. Sure the newer ones look better, and maybe perform better than EQ, but I haven''t seen anything that I think compares to the best FPS games.
Don''t expect anyone else to pick up the title. It wasn''t published by MS it was fully owned and developed by the MGS.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
The least they could do is just give it out to the public, if they are just going to let the code rot away on some hard drive. I know that that would never happen, but since they aren''t going to be making any money off of it, and they don''t appear to want to sell it to anyone else, it sounded like a good idea
Tobyus
Still searching for the perfect game...
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It''s still tech that they can use in other games. I wanted the game live so they could hire me.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
This is exactly what I was talking about a few years ago, it''s really no different than the RTS glut a few years back. Simply not enough pie for everyone to get a piece. Damn shame though, I know Elysium was really excited about it and they had some great ideas.
We''ll see what Brad McQuaid and Sigil come up with.
Certis beat me to it. - Elysium
Funny, other than WOW, this was the only online game that I wanted to try. I guess I''ll have to go play FF Online instead.
Dangit
I was looking forward to this game more than any other MMORPG because it was actually going to do something new. Bugger microsoft. Why couldn''t they have just bought out and then trashed some of the stupider MMORPGs running around to open up market share for their game, which actually had promise? Sigh.
Graktar, Orc Hunter
That sucks. I was hoping some of their instanced and private stuff would have been cool. Oh well.
I disagree with what you say, and I will deny, to your death, you're right to say it. - Bucky Katt
Well, if the internet rumor mill is to be believed, it was canceled so that Microsoft can buy Blizzard so that WoW could be an XBox exclusive (for a while - think Halo).
http://www.evilavatar.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&...
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I am so tired of people posting things that show up on the internet. There is no factual basis for this rumour other than pure speculation. It isn''t from a ""close source to Blizzard"" or VU or Microsoft. People got this from a MESSAGE BOARD. Any time anything happens some website posts that Microsoft will buy them.
WoW will not be Xbox exclusive. It will not happen. The game has been in development for the PC and for MMORPGS means you CANNOT JUST PORT IT.
Microsoft has a deal with Sigil Games (Brad''s new outfit) and MMORPGS are no longer a sure fire hit. There is a glut of them out there.
I''m not trying to flame anyone just a rant about poor online gaming journalism.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
I thought evilavatar was a joke site. Or was that somethingawful? Anyway, I can''t believe things are going so well for Microsoft that they can just go around buying companies to get exclusives for XBox.
It was when a certain trio of people now here were contributing to it...
Can I give a Zing to a self-Zing?
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come on down to Rat Boy's nest!
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Okay, for the record (once again and for the last time): Heise.de is a site that has quite a reputation and is definitely credible. However, the tidbit mentioned at EA is not an article at the site. It''s a post in one of the threads. Every idiot can post there, so there''s basically no substance behind this. This is as trustworthy as linking to some moron speculating on the IGN forums and going like ""IGN is reporting...""
Whoever it was to bring up said post...
1) ... he can''t speak (properly) German - well, in that case one shouldn''t mention content from German sites in the first place.
2) ... he can understand German - in that case he''s an idiot because it''s totally obvious that this is a forum post. Well, you don''t even have to be capable of understanding that language to see that.
It''s embarassing either way.
It wouldnt suprise me if Microsoft acquired the VU games division..
It would suprise me that they made WoW and Xbox exclusive. Would make very little fiscal sense.
Aint nothing new about the world order..it's been playing since the day they put George Washington on a quarter
85's face the truth you're too dumb.
http://www.myspace.com/armyofthepharaohs
Especially since they are sitting on a war chest that boggles the mind. Strategic acquisitions are definitely the way to go, since those acquisitions would support their overall strategy, but I''m wondering at this point if VU games is such a great catch.
Other than Blizzard, and the rights to the Blizzard games, its not as though VU has hit anything out of the park recently. Sure Homeworld 2 was good, but that''s just it, it was good, not great. What else have they got? Black Isle is closed, and the others are merely treading water.
A better overall buy, one which would support their Microsoft anywhere, all the time, would be Nintendo. And they are profitable.
Are you in fact suggesting that someone would post a non-verified report on the internet, where it could be read by the public? How dare you!
I will say good day to you sir.
"I'm for the guy who can tell the lion from the lamb." -Charles K.
They''re sitting on a war chest but VU Games has one gem, Blizzard. MS has wasted a ton of money on Rare and that doesn''t look like it is turning out well. Just because MS has a lot of money doesn''t mean they will blow it for the games division which doesn''t make them any cash.
I could see EA buying it since they buy everything else.
For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance. ~Ron Shelton, Bull Durham, 1988
Waitasecond, You get emails from MMOG companies asking for fiscal buoying?
Who are you?
And, will it turn out later on that you''re not actually left-handed?
Sorry Spunior, I missed where they credited Heise when I read the quote.
Oh, my statement wasn''t meant to be a response to your remark. I just wanted to point that out again for everyone that had actually seen the original newstidbit at EA and explain why it''s nonsense.
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