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In a P&C thread OG_Slinger made the following comment:

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Hunting has been in a steady decline for decades and sport shooting is lucky to make the 2 AM slot on ESPN 8 "The Ocho".

That struck me as interesting, and something I wanted to explore. I didn't want to derail that thread, and thought the conversation could be non-P&C as well (please?).

Does the first part of this comment strike people as correct? How many people here are hunters?

I'm a hunter, and have been for many many years. Hunting teaches you a lot of things, and teaches/encourages you to develop a special relationship with nature and wildlife. It's no coincidence that quite a few wildlife preservation societies are actually founded by hunters (Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, Quail Forever).

I realize that in an age when providing food is as simple as a trip to the grocery store, hunting is no longer an essential life providing activity. Even so, it seems to me that it would be profoundly sad if hunting as an activity, and particularly the skills and philosophy that go with it, were to diminish to the point of dying out completely.

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I'm a hunter, a fisherman and an outdoorsman.

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Hunting teaches you a lot of things, and teaches/encourages you to develop a special relationship with nature and wildlife. It's no coincidence that quite a few wildlife preservation societies are actually founded by hunters (Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, Quail Forever).

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I'm not sure that hunting is a dying past time at all. ESPN may not have hunting on during prime time, but there is the Outdoor Channel that shows it at almost all hours of the day. However, I live in MN and hunting here is extremely common.

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According to the stuff I've read, the only demographic that is growing in hunting is girls. Adult women are stable and males are declining. Lots of moms and dads are introducing their girls to hunting though.

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According to the stuff I've read, the only demographic that is growing in hunting is girls. Adult women are stable and males are declining. Lots of moms and dads are introducing their girls to hunting though.

All four of my sisters have now gone through Firearm Safety, and my g/f got her Conceal and Carry just last year. I can attest to the awesome fact that more women are taking up the hobby.

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According to the stuff I've read, the only demographic that is growing in hunting is girls. Adult women are stable and males are declining. Lots of moms and dads are introducing their girls to hunting though.

Both of mine are on their way, getting their first taste of shooting this summer on our Adirondacks vacation. At 5 and 7 they are older than I was when I started hunting, but they are also very petite girls and aren't quite able to comfortably handle a short-stocked .410 yet.

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I used to hunt birds in high school and college. Now, as a adult, I'd rather see them alive and shoot them with my Nikon.

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I really don't want to pull this into P&C so please feel free to ignore my question if you think it's going too heavily there, but I do have a question for hunters.

I understand and appreciate the desire and ability to connect with nature in a meaningful way. I know that it's not as easy as just running in guns blazing, and that you really do NEED to have a connection to the world around you to do it well. I guess my question is... why pull the trigger? If you aren't going to eat or display the thing, I don't really see what it accomplishes.

Like Mars said, I'd personally rather go through all the tracking and whatnot and then get a really good picture.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I really don't want to pull this into P&C so please feel free to ignore my question if you think it's going too heavily there, but I do have a question for hunters.

I understand and appreciate the desire and ability to connect with nature in a meaningful way. I know that it's not as easy as just running in guns blazing, and that you really do NEED to have a connection to the world around you to do it well. I guess my question is... why pull the trigger? If you aren't going to eat or display the thing, I don't really see what it accomplishes.

Like Mars said, I'd personally rather go through all the tracking and whatnot and then get a really good picture.

Well, in this area deer have become a troublesome, overpopulated species due to the removal of predation and development that has made their habitat more appealing. As a result, we have a problem with their denuding native plants, spreading Lyme disease, and presenting driving hazards. The most effective population control, so far, has been recreational hunting. The meat goes to feed the homeless.

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Food or Pest removal, deer/rabbit/foul for food, coyotes/groundhog pest removal.

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Marsman wrote:
I used to hunt birds in high school and college. Now, as a adult, I'd rather see them alive and shoot them with my Nikon.

That's just, wrong. You should always use a Canon

Seriously though I enjoy hunting wildlife with my Canon just as much as with my Winchester. Different purposes and slightly different experiences, but equally enjoyable.

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I really don't want to pull this into P&C so please feel free to ignore my question if you think it's going too heavily there, but I do have a question for hunters.

I understand and appreciate the desire and ability to connect with nature in a meaningful way. I know that it's not as easy as just running in guns blazing, and that you really do NEED to have a connection to the world around you to do it well. I guess my question is... why pull the trigger? If you aren't going to eat or display the thing, I don't really see what it accomplishes.

Like Mars said, I'd personally rather go through all the tracking and whatnot and then get a really good picture.

I don't think that's too P&C a question at all Lobster. For me, two things. First, I've never hunted anything I wasn't going to (and didn't) eat. Second, actually pulling the trigger puts you into the 'circle of life' frame of mind in a way that buying your ground chuck at Kroger simply can't. It is not the sum total of the experience by a long shot. And it isn't necessary each and every time. But doing so at least once is, again in my mind, a huge part of the overall learning and philosophical experience.

I feel I enjoy camera hunting now in a way that I wouldn't had I never actually hunted. I'd still enjoy taking pictures of wildlife even if I'd never hunted, but I'd not have that same special relationship with wildlife, and nature itself, that I mentioned in my first post.

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Well, yes, killing for food does make sense to me. That's why I said, "If you aren't going to eat or display the thing..." Unless you buy your ground chuck from Kroger and then don't eat it.

I do understand the pest control angle but I guess I have a hard time believing that someone can get that in tune with nature, track down their prey, get it in their sights, and then think, "better kill it or it'll eat someone's garden."

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I haven't yet seen anyone here say they hunted and didn't eat it.

Some states have initiated hunting seasons to prevent the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease, a prion disease similar to Mad Cow that's been found in some deer. That's certainly a case where you'd hunt but not eat it.

I myself have never hunted.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Well, yes, killing for food does make sense to me. That's why I said, "If you aren't going to eat or display the thing..." Unless you buy your ground chuck from Kroger and then don't eat it.

I do understand the pest control angle but I guess I have a hard time believing that someone can get that in tune with nature, track down their prey, get it in their sights, and then think, "better kill it or it'll eat someone's garden."

People don't need to think this though, because the limits are set by the state. The state has figured out that the deer population this year was X and that is higher/lower than last year so hunters can take out less/more than the year before.

In Washington there is no need for a license to kill crows, take out as many as you want they are deemed a nuisance. Same with coyotes, you kill as many you want (I have a friend that this is pretty much all he does). As for the 'game' type creatures there isn't a need to think "I'm keeping their population in check!" because the state has only so many licenses to give out and if you get one you get one and if you don't you don't.

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I do understand the pest control angle but I guess I have a hard time believing that someone can get that in tune with nature, track down their prey, get it in their sights, and then think, "better kill it or it'll eat someone's garden."

I usually think, 'This is for the rhubarb,' as I pull the trigger.

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I do understand the pest control angle but I guess I have a hard time believing that someone can get that in tune with nature, track down their prey, get it in their sights, and then think, "better kill it or it'll eat someone's garden."

I usually think, 'This is for the rhubarb,' as I pull the trigger.

I think "BOOM! HEADSHOT!"

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Reaper81 wrote:
I usually think, 'This is for the rhubarb,' as I pull the trigger.

I do believe I have a new sig.

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I think I'm just going to chalk this up as one of the things I don't really understand and get out of the way of a group of enthusiasts discussing something they all enjoy.

Thanks for the answers though, and Reaper, I'm sure your rhubarb is extremely safe.

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Reaper81 wrote:
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I do understand the pest control angle but I guess I have a hard time believing that someone can get that in tune with nature, track down their prey, get it in their sights, and then think, "better kill it or it'll eat someone's garden."

I usually think, 'This is for the rhubarb,' as I pull the trigger.

Shouldn't that be "For the Chard!!"?

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Paleocon wrote:

Well, in this area deer have become a troublesome, overpopulated species due to the removal of predation and development that has made their habitat more appealing. As a result, we have a problem with their denuding native plants, spreading Lyme disease, and presenting driving hazards. The most effective population control, so far, has been recreational hunting. The meat goes to feed the homeless.

Last night I watched a deer hop a 7 foot fence in my backyard, after helping himself to a couple hundred dollars worth of plants. Teneman, feel free to stop by central NJ on your way to the Adirondacks.

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The complaints I see usually go to vegetable gardens or flowers. People around here in CT would LOVE if the deer stuck to denuding native plants. Incidentally, Connecticut is a state that was all but built on the deer tick. It's how we got our early lead in Lyme disease sufferers.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I think I'm just going to chalk this up as one of the things I don't really understand and get out of the way of a group of enthusiasts discussing something they all enjoy.

Thanks for the answers though, and Reaper, I'm sure your rhubarb is extremely safe.

No need to abandon the thread Lobster, the kind of discussion you're inviting is sort of what I was hoping for.

Out of curiosity, do you go fishing? I'm interested to see if your... hesitance?... to pull the trigger in a hunting situation carries over to a hesitance to pull a fish out of water.

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Most of my pest removal isn't for plant's sake, it's for livestock/equipment, groundhogs leave holes all over fields and pastures.

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I'd like to echo both Paleocon and Teneman in my answer to your question Lobster. I live in a suburb of Minneapolis that had (I'm not sure if it is still true) the highest population of deer in the entire state. Certain people with "connections" could get a permit to bow hunt in this densely populated city to try and curb the population explosion. with around 70k people living in 32 square miles, there are a lot of roads, and deer + roads = a reasonably dangerous situation for drivers. Add that to the the Chronic Waste Quintin mentioned and it turns into a rather large problem. Keeping animal populations in balance has been proven for quite some time to reduce massive population loss due to disease and such.

I've always been taught to eat what you kill. I really enjoy duck and goose hunting, but I really don't care to eat them. I hunt with people that love to eat them though. I know of a few families that live on mostly wild game that they hunt through out the year.

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And for those who like to hunt, but don't want to eat what they kill, PLEASE give your carcasses to the hungry.

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Hunting is huge here in ID, and I don't know anyone who doesn't keep their meat. Some even use it as their primary source of protein during the winter.

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Paleocon wrote:
And for those who like to hunt, but don't want to eat what they kill, PLEASE give your carcasses to the hungry.

For the longest time food banks in Ohio wouldn't take venison. Despite the fact that people would head to the delicacy section of the grocery store and pay obscene amounts for it.

Happily, that's starting to change. More of this type of thing needs to happen.

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In MN we have Hides for Habitat. Every fall parking lots are littered with drums for people to dump their unwanted deer hides. The money goes to the enrichment of our local habitats. Wood Duck houses and things of that nature I presume. Kill a deer to help a duck- or something like that.

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Paleocon wrote:
And for those who like to hunt, but don't want to eat what they kill, PLEASE give your carcasses to the hungry.

Thanks, Paleo, I was going to mention that and just plumb forgot.

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Lobster I think what you are trying to say is you have heard of people that hunt animals be it small or large game and just kill for the fun of it. Yes there are people out there that do that but I think with the group of people here you will not see that at all. I for one enjoy any type of hunting. I bow hunt, use a black powder rifle , and a regular .306. But I grew up in PA which has one of the most open gun/hunting laws of any state in the US (at least I think that is right...Montana might be a close second from what I hear) and that has taught me to have an affinity for nature. Again I only kill what I intend to eat just like most have said here already.

Now that I totally got off topic from replying to you Lobster let me say this, and I do believe this is what you were afraid of when you stated it might be to P&C, I think people that just hunt to shoot things for the hell of it should be hunted themselves. That might be to strong a belief but I enjoy nature and don't want to trip over a dead deer carcass that someone just left out there after they shot it when I go hiking in the woods.

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I want to go hunting some time. But do not have the equipment or the know how (or those pesky things known as time and money) to do it. But I do love Deer Jerky and venison.

If there is anyone looking for a hunting buddy in the Houston area look me up! I play violent video games, so I should be a natural to this hunting thing. As I understand it now you just run through the woods at topspeed and if you see a deer you open fire at the same time you dive to the ground and get up again.

Also I'm working on jumping while running so far I do not see any speed increase but I'm sure I just need to practice.


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