Shopping for a reliable, affordable Wireless Router (Apr 2009)

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docbadwrench's picture
Location: Seattle Area

Greetings goodjers,

It would appear that my 2+ year old wireless router has officially bought the farm. I am now in the market for a new one and must turn to the only community that I trust to give me good advice. So what say you, folks?

My primary desire is to find a piece of equipment that is very easy to use. Over the years, I have developed a hate-hate relationship with wireless technology. So far as I can tell, it's all garbage that makes me curse, throw up my hands in confusion, and sit on tech support with an Indian call center for at least two hours.

I'm certain that these things have become more useful since the last time I bought one, but I just don't know what to do because I don't stay current with this technology.

Thanks in advance.

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Linksys WRT54GL.

Tomato firmware.

Done.

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*Legion* wrote:
Linksys WRT54GL.

Tomato firmware.

Done.

Seconded! As long as you're happy with the WRT54GL's features, you won't get a router that's easier to use than one of those running the Tomato firmware.

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Yeah I've always been satisfied with my WRT54GL. I use DD-WRT instead of Tomato firmware though.

It doesn't run 802.11n however. If you plan on doing a lot of high-bandwidth stuff over your network and you have 802.11n adapters on your devices you might consider a router that has that capability.

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*Legion* wrote:
Linksys WRT54GL.

Tomato firmware.

Done.

Precisely. Both easy to use and incredibly powerful and customizable. The only limitation of Tomato right now is that there are no N routers it works 100% on. But if you aren't doing huge file transfers between computers on a regular basis, G is all you need anyway. We run our entire house (including our company's server) on a WRT54GL with Tomato and the only reason it has has any downtime in the last 6 months is because of a power failure.

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*Legion* wrote:
Linksys WRT54GL.

Tomato firmware.

Done.

It's what I use.

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Hmm, not sure recommending using a custom firmware is really a good idea for somebody looking for an easy to use router.

I would recommend one of the Apple routers, but I've been having some disconnection problems with mine recently. They're certainly easy to configure, though.

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The Tomato firmware is the only one I recommend for people needing easy to use. I find the interface and layout more intelligently done than the built-in Linksys firmware, plus it adds more feature and is more stable on top of that. I definitely don't suggest DD-WRT unless you're an advanced user.

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Yeah easy to use and custom firmware are like Jumbo Shrimp.

I'd recommend the Apple routers - either the Airport Extreme Base Station or the Airport Express mainly because that is what I use and am familiar with them and have had no problem with them. And I do find them easier to setup than the old DLinks I used to mess with. Another plus is setting up 2 or more to work together.

AE is under $100, but it is wireless only. 1 ethernet port for modem or computer if the AE is talking to another AE or AEBS that is connected to the internet. Very compact (not much bigger than a deck of playing cards and that is including the power supply which is built-in) and it does let you do wireless printing and wireless iTunes in addition to being a router.

AEBS is $179 (the just replaced old model can be had for $50 less) and is probably out of the affordable category. This is more fully featured. 3 ethernet ports and support for a large number of wireless users. Also allows wireless access to USB hard drives as well as wireless printing. New model has support for separate wireless G/N networks as well as guest network access.

Both work with Windows or Mac.

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I'll weigh in with the WRT54GL as well. The option to use custom firmwares if needed is nice but the standard fireware is fine. I'm sure at this stage you can pick them up for peanuts.

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Location: Seattle Area

Wow, you people are responsive and consistent. Consider it done. I will shop around for the best deal I can find. I have never installed custom firmware before. Will it void my warranty if I do that (not that I care about my warranty - I just don't want to break something I've just purchased)?

Again - thanks guys. The GwJ community is helpful for almost any issue that comes up. While you're all being helpful, I've got this skin issue I need looking at...

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I'm sure at this stage you can pick them up for peanuts.
Amazon actually has it on sale at the moment for a mere 60 peanuts (with free shipping).

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Location: Warshington

After having many problems with my netgear wireless router I followed the same advice that everyone has given you. (Well, sort of)

I couldn't find the 54GL locally, but I ended up with a 54GS after reading that there is a pared down version of DD-WRT that will run on it. I didn't want to mess with the custom firmware right off the bat, so I set it up according to the instructions. Easy to do and it's been rock solid for a month or two now. Haven't had to reboot it once. My PS3 and my iPhone both connect every time without issue.

That being said, I'm still going to run ethernet cables to the livingroom eventually as the wireless is still all but useless for streaming video.

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It's officially ordered. I hope I can install that Tomato firmware without too much difficulty. Those of you with experience - if you can pass along any helpful websites that you use to manage this combo, please feel free to toss them into this thread. It'd be a nice way to consolidate all the stuff you think is the most helpful.

I'm looking forward to harvesting this information and putting them into my OneNote folders for the next time that I need to work on my networking problems. Invariably, I always need reference materials when I don't have internet access. You'd think I'd have learned this earlier...

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Just follow the instructions on the Tomato site and you should be fine. You basically just update the router with it like you were updating to another factory Linksys firmware.

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At the risk of souning like a broken record: WRT54GL with tomato! Have been using this combo for over two years now and it has never stopped working even once.

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trip1eX wrote:
Yeah easy to use and custom firmware are like Jumbo Shrimp.

I'd recommend the Apple routers - either the Airport Extreme Base Station or the Airport Express mainly because that is what I use and am familiar with them and have had no problem with them. And I do find them easier to setup than the old DLinks I used to mess with. Another plus is setting up 2 or more to work together.

Both work with Windows or Mac.

Yeah, and with nothing else. I know it's not a problem for most people, but I personally much prefer the idea of a router with a web-based interface that'll work in any browser to a router that can only be configured using proprietary tools on a proprietary OS.

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to be fair, though, you can get the airport config utility for Windows. But yeah I prefer a web-based interface as well.

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Khoram wrote:
to be fair, though, you can get the airport config utility for Windows. But yeah I prefer a web-based interface as well.
I think his point was that it didn't work in Linux.

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pneuman wrote:

I know it's not a problem for most people, but ....

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Grumpicus wrote:
Khoram wrote:
to be fair, though, you can get the airport config utility for Windows. But yeah I prefer a web-based interface as well.
I think his point was that it didn't work in Linux.

Exactly. Or, say, any other device that one might have lying around with a web browser (an iPhone or other smartphone, perhaps?). Or a Windows box that doesn't have the Airport tools on it -- what if you need to download them, but your network's screwed because your router is misconfigured? There are a bunch of reasons why having a web-based interface is a good thing.

trip1eX wrote:
pneuman wrote:

I know it's not a problem for most people, but ....


Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion!

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pneuman wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:
Khoram wrote:
to be fair, though, you can get the airport config utility for Windows. But yeah I prefer a web-based interface as well.
I think his point was that it didn't work in Linux.

Exactly. Or, say, any other device that one might have lying around with a web browser (an iPhone or other smartphone, perhaps?). Or a Windows box that doesn't have the Airport tools on it -- what if you need to download them, but your network's screwed because your router is misconfigured? There are a bunch of reasons why having a web-based interface is a good thing.

trip1eX wrote:
pneuman wrote:

I know it's not a problem for most people, but ....


Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion!

Well what I can say. You summed up my thoughts pretty well. "Not a problem for most people." So if we agree in principle then there's nothing more to add.

As for what else you just posted well you get a disc with the tools on them when you buy an Apple router. You can also put them on a USB stick if need be or burn them to another disc. You can put a spare disc in your car just in case. And put one in your attic to be doubly sure.

Also you can save your router configs. And you can physically reset your router.

Actually (and I'm no expert) but I would think a non-web interface would actually be a bit safer than a web interface. To each their own.

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trip1eX wrote:
pneuman wrote:
Grumpicus wrote:
Khoram wrote:
to be fair, though, you can get the airport config utility for Windows. But yeah I prefer a web-based interface as well.
I think his point was that it didn't work in Linux.

Exactly. Or, say, any other device that one might have lying around with a web browser (an iPhone or other smartphone, perhaps?). Or a Windows box that doesn't have the Airport tools on it -- what if you need to download them, but your network's screwed because your router is misconfigured? There are a bunch of reasons why having a web-based interface is a good thing.

trip1eX wrote:
pneuman wrote:

I know it's not a problem for most people, but ....


Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion!

Well what I can say. You summed up my thoughts pretty well. "Not a problem for most people." So if we agree in principle then there's nothing more to add.

And yet you chimed in anyway I keep forgetting that it's impossible to point out potential issues in Apple products, even if you say up front that those issues probably won't apply to most people, without getting some smart-ass remark from an Apple fan that just can't stand to see anyone say anything bad about Apple.

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pneuman wrote:

trip1eX wrote:
pneuman wrote:
trip1eX wrote:

I know it's not a problem for most people, but ....

Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion!

Well what I can say. You summed up my thoughts pretty well. "Not a problem for most people." So if we agree in principle then there's nothing more to add.

And yet you chimed in anyway I keep forgetting that it's impossible to point out potential issues in Apple products, even if you say up front that those issues probably won't apply to most people, without getting some smart-ass remark from an Apple fan that just can't stand to see anyone say anything bad about Apple.

Hey now. Settle down.

The only smartass comment I saw was "Thanks for your valuable input to this discussion!" which wasn't me.

And why bother dumping on someone's recommendation by pointing out potential issues (personal preferences really) that are not a problem for most people?

I chimed in for emphasis and because I agreed with the statement "Not a problem for most people." Your post reminded me of those game reviews that declare a game fun, but spend most of the review nitpicking the game.

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I thought your initial quote was pretty smart-ass -- I basically interpreted it as "I don't have anything more to add, except to say that your concerns are crazy and unfounded". I wouldn't be so uppity about that usually, but this isn't the first time you've taken the line that the Apple Way is the Right Way, and if you're doing things differently, well, then you should just learn to love the Apple Way instead.

Of course, since I knew this would be the likely response, I probably shouldn't have responded in the first place I'll remember that for next time.

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Wow. From what you say you were carrying some baggage along for the post and were aiming at my head the whole time. YOu read too much into things.

How is quoting you invalidating your complaint? If that's true then didn't you already invalidate your own complaint by initially clarifying it with what I quoted?

And if you think about it "Not a problem for most people" acknowledges it could be a problem for some people and thus it is hardly an invalidation of your complaint. It's just an agreement on my part that your complaint just isn't a big issue for the marketplace at large.

Also I find it odd you also quoted me leaving out the specific arguments I made against your small complaint and instead just resorted to playing the fanboy card. I was a bit surprised you had nothing to say to my point that the tools are on disc when you buy an Apple router. And that you can make a backup and store them on a USB key. And you can save your router configs and physically reset your router. That seemed to me to invalidate your complaint more than anything else I posted. But I guess it is not that odd given that you had some fish to fry here that you were carrying on your person for some time.

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trip1eX wrote:
Wow. From what you say you were carrying some baggage along for the post and were aiming at my head the whole time. YOu read too much into things.

How is quoting you invalidating your complaint? If that's true then didn't you already invalidate your own complaint by initially clarifying it with what I quoted?

And if you think about it "Not a problem for most people" acknowledges it could be a problem for some people and thus it is hardly an invalidation of your complaint. It's just an agreement on my part that your complaint just isn't a big issue for the marketplace at large.

I'm just not sure why you bothered to make that quote post then -- just taking the time to do that seemed like a smart-ass thing to do to me. If that's me reading too much in to it, then I apologise, but it's still not clear why you made that comment.

trip1eX wrote:
Also I find it odd you also quoted me leaving out the specific arguments I made against your small complaint and instead just resorted to playing the fanboy card. I was a bit surprised you had nothing to say to my point that the tools are on disc when you buy an Apple router. And that you can make a backup and store them on a USB key. And you can save your router configs and physically reset your router. That seemed to me to invalidate your complaint more than anything else I posted. But I guess it is not that odd given that you had some fish to fry here that you were carrying on your person for some time.

I didn't bother arguing the point because it seemed a bit silly really Of course the tools come on a CD with the router, and of course you can make backups of that CD to make sure you still have those tools if you lose the original. I'd just rather stick with a web-configurable router and not have to worry about all of that.

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Yeah it is a silly argument since it invalidates your complaint. It is silly having the tools on disc and having a backup of them. Silly how simple things like that work to undermine your complaint.

And so obvious you say and yet you felt the need to complain about potentially not having the the tools on your Windows box or not being able to download them?

It must not have been so obvious to you while you were complaining. OR you just wanted to complain all along which is what you have implied with the various smart ass comments you have made and the various fanboy slights yada yada yada. You were really just wanting to argue. You had a bounty on my head from the get go is what you have alluded. You came in with baggage. And preceeded to clobber me over the head with it while I sat unaware that your only goal was to start something based on what your secret scorecard told you.

All I did was quote you. I quoted the part of your post that I agreed with!!!! You get it? I agreed with you. Your complaint isn't a problem for most people. We agree!!!!

Hooray!!!

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By the way, I received my router and have been using it just fine. I haven't installed Tomato yet, but that's next (once I get a free moment).

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You might want to give the stock firmware a run for a while before you upgrade, as it's pretty reliable on it's own. I only switched over to DD-WRT on my 54GL so I could bridge it with another router. If I hadn't needed to do that, I probably would have left it, as it never gave me an issue before I changed the firmware.

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