Atheists post sign by nativity scene, sign stolen

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Nothing like the holidays to bring out the absolute worst in people. I really wish people like this would stop calling themselves atheists. Maybe it's what they believe, but lots of people think that this is just what all atheists do: sh*t in your eggnog.

I know that "every group has its extremists" and assholes but it always seems that THIS is the only way atheists are portrayed in the media, as attention-whoring, disrespectful idiots who want to force everyone to stop believing in God.

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What I find so funny about Atheists is that they are so concerned that people believe in religion they have to force it down everyone's throat. If you don't believe it then leave it the hell alone, if it brings joy to people's lives why knock it?

Everyone gets to find out which side is correct in the end.


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Thank you, Pharacon, for illustrating that:

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lots of people think that this is just what all atheists do: sh*t in your eggnog.

Now if you'd kindly lean your head back and open wide, I've got a big heaping bucket of Not God to force down your throat.

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Pharacon wrote:
What I find so funny about religious people are that they are so concerned about people not believing in religion they have to force it down everyone's throat.

Just to be fair.

It can be said about people from both sides.

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Here is the text of the tablet:

Quote:
At this season of
The Winter Solstice
may reason prevail.

There are no gods,
no devils, no angels,
no heaven or hell.

There is only our natural world.

Religion is but
mythical superstition
that hardens hearts
and enslaves minds.

Honestly, I don't find anything offensive or insulting in any of that. It is certainly far less inflammatory than statements like "there is but one god, his name is Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet" or similarly emphatic professions of faith. It also has the advantage of being factually correct.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I know that "every group has its extremists" and assholes but it always seems that THIS is the only way atheists are portrayed in the media, as attention-whoring, disrespectful idiots who want to force everyone to stop believing in God.

It's the only story that ever occurs, I suppose. There's really nothing else for atheists as a group to do except talk to each other about atheism ("So, uh, I was sitting at home and thought I heard voices. Turns out I sat on my phone and called someone with my left ass cheek.") and try to convert others. And nobody likes to be preached to.

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The double irony of an Atheist posting this sign and a Christian stealing it is too much to handle. The universe is going to implode.

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If I were wealthier I'd start up some sort of overtly secular charity or institute, not to try to convert people but to help ALL people. Basically a very expensive way of saying, "Not All Atheists Are Assholes." Maybe I could get that emblazoned over the door.

Then you'd see this on the news:

"Prominent atheist indoctrination center firebombed, two dead, one injured."

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LobsterMobster wrote:
If I were wealthier I'd start up some sort of overtly secular charity or institute, not to try to convert people but to help ALL people. Basically a very expensive way of saying, "Not All Atheists Are Assholes." Maybe I could get that emblazoned over the door.

Then you'd see this on the news:

"Prominent atheist indoctrination center firebombed, two dead, one injured."

NAAAA

it has a nice ring to it

Edit: It is also the answer to a question. Is there a God? NAAAA

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LobsterMobster wrote:
If I were wealthier I'd start up some sort of overtly secular charity or institute, not to try to convert people but to help ALL people. Basically a very expensive way of saying, "Not All Atheists Are Assholes." Maybe I could get that emblazoned over the door.

Then you'd see this on the news:

"Prominent atheist indoctrination center firebombed, two dead, one injured."

Then your name would be Bill or Melinda Gates or Warren Buffett.

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I'm not into religion, but Atheists like that are just douchenuckles. We get it, you don't think god is real, now go back to your house and celebrate nothing.

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Their organizations are secular but not visibly so. Ask the average person if those charities are associated with a religion and I'll bet you they'll either say, "I don't know," or "Christianity."

Douchenuckles? That's a new one by me. I like that, but shouldn't it be "doucheknuckles?"

The whole situation reminds me of the Mormon episode of South Park. Maybe the stories are hard to swallow, maybe it isn't true, but religion can help people and bring them closer together. Isn't that good enough to give believers a right to believe?

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Their organizations are secular but not visibly so. Ask the average person if those charities are associated with a religion and I'll bet you they'll either say, "I don't know," or "Christianity."

Douchenuckles? That's a new one by me. I like that, but shouldn't it be "doucheknuckles?"

The whole situation reminds me of the Mormon episode of South Park. Maybe the stories are hard to swallow, maybe it isn't true, but religion can help people and bring them closer together. Isn't that good enough to give believers a right to believe?

They have a right to believe whatever they want. Just as Atheists have a right to free speech to express statements of fact. Neither impinges upon the other unless your definition of "right to believe" is so broad as to include "right not to be informed of contrary facts".

If that is the case, we live in country whose downward spiral into horrific, violent ignorance is unavoidable.

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Paleocon wrote:
They have a right to believe whatever they want. Just as Atheists have a right to free speech to express statements of fact. Neither impinges upon the other unless your definition of "right to believe" is so broad as to include "right not to be informed of contrary facts".

I still wouldn't be adverse to a carefully worded "asshole clause" in there (fun fact: Asshole Claus is the atheist version of Santa), something along the lines of:

"You have the right to free speech, but please don't be a dick about it."

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Paleocon wrote:
Here is the text of the tablet:

Quote:
At this season of
The Winter Solstice
may reason prevail.

There are no gods,
no devils, no angels,
no heaven or hell.

There is only our natural world.

Religion is but
mythical superstition
that hardens hearts
and enslaves minds.

Amen, dammit!

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LobsterMobster wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
They have a right to believe whatever they want. Just as Atheists have a right to free speech to express statements of fact. Neither impinges upon the other unless your definition of "right to believe" is so broad as to include "right not to be informed of contrary facts".

I still wouldn't be adverse to a carefully worded "asshole clause" in there (fun fact: Asshole Claus is the atheist version of Santa), something along the lines of:

"You have the right to free speech, but please don't be a dick about it."

Just out of curiosity then, would you consider missions work and/or prosthetyzing "asshole" behavior? These are simple mandates for Christianity and Islam. It is written in their holy books that such behavior is not only acceptable but required. Considering these religious philosophies rely on the aggressive spreading of lies, how is it somehow more obnoxious that individuals or organizations make a point of dispelling them?

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Well, Paleocon, there are a number of things that atheists do differently than religious people. One of the benefits of not believing in divine judgment is that you're allowed to be as ridiculously tolerant as patience will allow.

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Instead of leaving the sign, they should have stolen the nativity set. There's no reason it should be on display in or near a State building. Separation of church and State, baby. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

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Yeah but christians have gone all techy by putting GPS in the jebus baby so when we steal it they prosecute.

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To me, this that is the pinnacle of irony. The born-agains will use GPS even though it's based on technology that they refute when it comes to evolution. GPS requires very accurate time measurements to calcuate the position of something. That time is generated by an atomic clock, which uses the constant decay rates of atoms as its engine. But according to their logic, god changes those constant decay rates willy nilly just to keep us on our toes and test our faith.

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At this point striking the Pope once with a sword is a completely reasonable action.

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Ah yes, the Wellington Community Center is a notorious den of born-agains and evolution-deniers. Let's all refrain from inventing facts in order to demonize others.

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Ah yes, the Wellington Community Center is a notorious den of born-agains and evolution-deniers. Let's all refrain from inventing facts in order to demonize others.

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Paleocon wrote:
Here is the text of the tablet:

Quote:
At this season of
The Winter Solstice
may reason prevail.

There are no gods,
no devils, no angels,
no heaven or hell.

There is only our natural world.

Religion is but
mythical superstition
that hardens hearts
and enslaves minds.

Honestly, I don't find anything offensive or insulting in any of that. It is certainly far less inflammatory than statements like "there is but one god, his name is Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet" or similarly emphatic professions of faith. It also has the advantage of being factually correct.

ahh prove it?

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On my way home from the train station yesterday, I noticed that some pranksters altered the light sculptures on the front yards of two adjacent homes -- they took Joseph (or Mary?) from the nativity scene on one front yard and swapped it with Mary (or Joe?) on the other one. So there are these two conspiculously gay parent couples looking down at their baby Jesuses.

I contemplated knocking on the door of an either house and letting them know, but then thought -- what if they kind of like it that way?

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Wow, 2000 years of proselytizing Christians forcing religion down people's throats, and the small percentage of atheists in the US in the last few decades are the problem? This must be similar to how Christianity is endangered in the US.

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Hey, now we're getting a Festivus tree in the state capitol. Awesome.

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I liked the religious bigotry in the first phrase "An atheist sign criticizing Christianity..." The sign was positioned so as to be a critque on this particular Christian scene, but the sign never mentions any specific god. The assumption is that it is Aetheist vs Christian. Makes me seriously wonder if this sign happened to be outside a mosque if anyone would have commented.

I dislike absolute surity of belief. I dislike atheists who say 'there is no God' with the same venom as 'X God is the one true God'. I am always very happy with Christians, or any religious person, who say 'this is what I am running with, hope you jump onboard'. I am perfectly fine with any atheist who says 'well we can't point to any empirical evidence of God, whatever the stripe, so I think it is silly to act as if there is one'.

I don't think an atheist is doing themselves any favours when they say 'there is no God' as some kind of impact statement.

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I've found it best as an atheist to just keep my mouth shut, do my job and try to lead as moral a life as I can. Right or wrong, I'm pretty sure people where I live and work are significantly prejudiced against atheists, perhaps even moreso than Muslims in some ways (I have a few Muslim coworkers).

I agree that this kind of sign business does nothing to help things... But given the prejucide, I can understand where it comes from (not even getting into things like intelligent design in classrooms).

A related thing I've noticed recently is that saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" runs the risk attracting significant scorn and disapproval around here... Ugh.

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A related thing I've noticed recently is that saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" runs the risk attracting significant scorn and disapproval around here... Ugh.

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I'm not into religion, but Atheists like that are just douchenuckles. We get it, you don't think god is real, now go back to your house and celebrate nothing.

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Douchenuckles? That's a new one by me. I like that, but shouldn't it be "doucheknuckles?"

Actually, I think the proper term is, "Douchedragging Knucklebags."

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I know that "every group has its extremists" and assholes but it always seems that THIS is the only way atheists are portrayed in the media, as attention-whoring, disrespectful idiots who want to force everyone to stop believing in God.

It's the only story that ever occurs, I suppose. There's really nothing else for atheists as a group to do except talk to each other about atheism ("So, uh, I was sitting at home and thought I heard voices. Turns out I sat on my phone and called someone with my left ass cheek.") and try to convert others. And nobody likes to be preached to.

I agree. When disasters strike the country, you always hear of religious groups setting up and giving aid in the disaster region. You never hear specific stories about atheist groups doing this. Do atheist groups ever get together to do charitable causes? Or are they mainly focused on things like this story is about. Serious question, can anyone link to a news report about an atheist group getting together to support some charitable cause? Katrina? Houston this past year? Fires in CA? Anything? I've looked, but never had any luck. Sure you can find a few google links to some groups, but they never seem to make the news.

The perception is that if you hear a news report about an atheist, its them being snarky about Christians. Never Muslims it seems....