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WAAAAAAYYYYYYYY back in like 2006 when I heard that the RNC was coming to my beloved home state of MN, I immediately sought out my nearest card carrying party member. Being as I was in Iraq, I didn't have to go far. He asked why I wanted to go so bad as I'm a professed independent. You see, I didn't want to join the Republican Party, I simply wanted him to inquire about a possible opening for a freelance jack-booted thug. Because I totally knew stuff like this was going to happen.

Best part of the article:

Dirty Hippie Anarchist wrote:

"There were no bombs or anything in there."

Who said anything about bombs, hippie?

I plan on keeping this thread updated throughout the convention with little nuggets like this one but otherwise I figure we can keep the RNC stuff in here.

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Well when you use the power of the President and the US Attorney General to make and screen judge appointments I'm sure getting a search warrant was pretty easy.

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Interesting that the anti-authoritarians go after the right, which is traditionally anti-government. Think they know that anarchy is a rightist idea? They should be out bothering the DNC, shouldn't they?

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Police raids on dirty hippies today in Minnesota.

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The right is traditionally anti-government and anti-central authority. The current Republicans, on the other hand, are all about centralized power and deceiving the population into giving up important rights. They're protesting at the correct convention.

(although, honestly, with the Democratic complicity, they really oughta be at both.)

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The right is traditionally anti-government and anti-central authority.

It's getting close to 30 years since the start of Reagan's presidency. At this point they're pretty well established in their current traditions.


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The right is traditionally anti-government and anti-central authority.

Only since the 1960's, and the 80's in a big way. Times change and especially the former has changed in my lifetime.

From the intro to the 1956 Republican Party Platform, just to show how much has changed.

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Our Government was created by the people for all the people, and it must serve no less a purpose.

The Republican Party was formed 100 years ago to preserve the Nation's devotion to these ideals.

On its Centennial, the Republican Party again calls to the minds of all Americans the great truth first spoken by Abraham Lincoln: "The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."

Our great President Dwight D. Eisenhower has counseled us further: "In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."

While jealously guarding the free institutions and preserving the principles upon which our Republic was founded and has flourished, the purpose of the Republican Party is to establish and maintain a peaceful world and build at home a dynamic prosperity in which every citizen fairly shares.

We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.

We believe that basic to governmental integrity are unimpeachable ethical standards and irreproachable personal conduct by all people in government. We shall continue our insistence on honesty as an indispensable requirement of public service. We shall continue to root out corruption whenever and wherever it appears.

We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

To these beliefs we commit ourselves as we present this record and declare our goals for the future.

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We shall continue vigorously to support the United Nations.

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We hold that the major world issue today is whether Government shall be the servant or the master of men. We hold that the Bill of Rights is the sacred foundation of personal liberty. That men are created equal needs no affirmation, but they must have equality of opportunity and protection of their civil rights under the law.

We hold that the strict division of powers and the primary responsibility of State and local governments must be maintained, and that the centralization of powers in the national Government leads to expansion of the mastery of our lives,

We hold that the protection of the freedom of men requires that budgets be balanced, waste in government eliminated, and taxes reduced.

In these and all other areas of proper Government concern, we pledge our best thought and whole energy to a continuation of our prized peace, prosperity and progress.

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America does not prosper unless all Americans prosper.

Government must have a heart as well as a head.

Courage in principle, cooperation in practice make freedom positive.

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We believe that working for the Government is not a right but a privilege.

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We will vigorously promote, as we have in the past, a non-political career service under the merit system which will attract and retain able servants of the people. Many gains in this field, notably pay increases and a host of new benefits, have been achieved in their behalf in less than four years.

The Republican Party will continue to fight for eagerly desired new advances for Government employees, and realistic reappraisement and adjustment of benefits for our retired civil service personnel.

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We recommend to Congress the submission of a constitutional amendment providing equal rights for men and women.

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We shall continue the bipartisan development of foreign policies. We hold this necessary if those policies are to have continuity, and be regarded by other free nations as dependable.

The pernicious and damaging politics of recent memory are the creation of Nixon and Reagan Republicans, and are a veering away from earlier 20th century Republican ideals.

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Popehat has been blogging about it as well. One of the search warrants describes all the stuff cops were looking for, including an "X-Box gaming system" which is odd because I always pegged dirty hippies as Nintendo fans.

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This crap is just ridiculous. Falls right in line with the abuse of authority that everyone's been ranting about in the "mayor's dogs killed" thread, if not moreso. Nice to see our freedoms being preserved here on the eve of the convention of the party that's fighting the "War on Terror". How better to illustrate their blatant hypocrisy?

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Maybe it takes a fall, like the one triggered by Nixon, to get one party to disassemble and refocus their perspective. Maybe it will take a good ass-whipping in the national elections to get the GOP to refocus on ideals and core principals that I felt the GOP 'used' to stand for and hold sacred...

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Pigpen wrote:
Maybe it takes a fall, like the one triggered by Nixon, to get one party to disassemble and refocus their perspective. Maybe it will take a good ass-whipping in the national elections to get the GOP to refocus on ideals and core principals that I felt the GOP 'used' to stand for and hold sacred...

I have been preaching this for a while. My estimation is that it would take 12 years wandering in the wilderness to get their consciences back. I fear, however, that I am a bit of an optimist. The realist in me has to admit that just as likely an outcome would be that the borrow and spend, me-me-me, international interventionist, neoconservative, Jesus anoints my leaders, the government is evil unless they are cutting me checks brand of Dixiecrat "conservatism" will simply dig in and murder the rest of us. They have hijacked the party. Who's to say it isn't theirs now?

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Hey Pigpen, did you see the pictures of the huge altar - erm, *stage*, sorry, they've built for the RNC? Almost makes the site look like, you know, a temple or something...

In all seriousness, all the stuff about "Obama worship" and the "Temple of Obama" are not coming from objective reporters, especially based on the size of the stage as the pics show there is not too much difference in scale between the two stages. The actual stage for the RNC is bigger, but the width of the stage area is maybe slightly wider for the DNC one. Still, for my money? Both are pretty garish and over the top.

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Hey Pigpen, did you see the pictures of the huge altar - erm, *stage*, sorry, they've built for the RNC? Almost makes the site look like, you know, a temple or something...

Hey...we gotta worship too m'man!

Unless you're running out of mana overhealing is the most worthless stat in the game. Underhealing is effectively known as "wiping".

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Paleocon wrote:
They have hijacked the party. Who's to say it isn't theirs now?

The same was being said about the DLC, and Obama's run has left that little group in a very compromised bargaining position as of late. So who know what can happen with a little time.

I'd like to see a move away from the political binary we all know, but it's such a convenient us vs. them mechanic that I don't think we'll see that anytime soon.

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Hey Pigpen, did you see the pictures of the huge altar - erm, *stage*, sorry, they've built for the RNC? Almost makes the site look like, you know, a temple or something...

Those side-by-sides look interesting. The DNC stage looks like something out of the Oscars/MTV Movie awards.

The RNC seating arrangement is reminiscent of phalanx divisions to me, for some reason. Their stage is more evocative of the steps of our national buildings. It's a lot more, uh, conservative.

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I see them both as too big, costing way too much money and ultimately useless since all the decisions were made ahead of time. I'll let you fill in the clever symbolism.

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Hey...we gotta worship too m'man!

Well, that makes one of us.

I see the RNC stage and I keep thinking "One People, One Nation, One Leader!" Maybe it's just me.

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I see the RNC stage and I keep thinking "One People, One Nation, One Leader!" Maybe it's just me.

It's not just you. I think part of it is that the RNC image we see is a CGI render, so it's currently more shall we say, German, than it'll end up being. The red/black color scheme for the floor and creepy shadow people in the seating isn't helping either.


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Heheh, the shadowy legions of the damned in the audience even have preppy popped collars.


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The RNC stage is more monolithic. The shapes are much simpler and the lines all ruler straight. Really just two rectangles with the flag dominating the background rectangle and mirrored in the floor of the stage. In contrast the DNC stage is fractured and made up of several shapes with gaps between them. More curved lines on the staircases.

Arguably that says something about the parties' internal structures (homogenous versus a coalition of blocs). Or it's just coincidence.

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Hey Pigpen, did you see the pictures of the huge altar - erm, *stage*, sorry, they've built for the RNC? Almost makes the site look like, you know, a temple or something...

It is a temple. A hockey temple! Also home to the best concert I've ever seen: REM, Springsteen, and Neil Young all on the same bill. John Fogerty was there too but he shall not be listed in the same sentence with the other 3.

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Boy, I'd vote for those Republicans in a heartbeat, Robear.

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John Fogerty was there too but he shall not be listed in the same sentence with the other 3.

sorry Alien...clearly wrong...Fogerty far supercedes Springsteen...

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Video of one of the raids.

Listen to the description of the warrant - a bald-faced use of terrorist language to justify a raid that was obviously baseless.

Seeing all those people sitting outside their house in handcuffs is ... depressing.

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A county sheriff showing off some of the confiscated items. You know, that looks like my garage. And where are the laptop computers that were taken? Also curious in the linked story is the reference to anarchists - I wonder if someone needs to notify these guys that it's not the 1920's and these self-described anarchists don't have bombs.

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Pigpen wrote:
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John Fogerty was there too but he shall not be listed in the same sentence with the other 3.

sorry Alien...clearly wrong...Fogerty far supercedes Springsteen...


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Aetius wrote:
Video of one of the raids.

Listen to the description of the warrant - a bald-faced use of terrorist language to justify a raid that was obviously baseless.

Seeing all those people sitting outside their house in handcuffs is ... depressing.

EDIT:

A county sheriff showing off some of the confiscated items. You know, that looks like my garage. And where are the laptop computers that were taken? Also curious in the linked story is the reference to anarchists - I wonder if someone needs to notify these guys that it's not the 1920's and these self-described anarchists don't have bombs.

Well the compound bow on the floor seems a bit odd. Bolt cutters on the table and a piece of chain link fence on the floor are also a bit odd?

WTF were they going to do, cut through a fence and shoot someone with an arrow? I realize it very possible to kill someone with a compound bow but are they really proposing that they were going to try and assassinate someone with a bow?

Now I have this image of a delegate lying on the street with an arrow sticking out of him......

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WTF were they going to do, cut through a fence and shoot someone with an arrow? I realize it very possible to kill someone with a compound bow but are they really proposing that they were going to try and assassinate someone with a bow?

Now I have this image of a delegate lying on the street with an arrow sticking out of him......

The revenge of Crazy Horse indeed.

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WTF were they going to do, cut through a fence and shoot someone with an arrow? I realize it very possible to kill someone with a compound bow but are they really proposing that they were going to try and assassinate someone with a bow?

Now I have this image of a delegate lying on the street with an arrow sticking out of him......

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I like their color scheme:

makes me think of something and hum a tune :

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Aetius wrote:
Video of one of the raids.

Listen to the description of the warrant - a bald-faced use of terrorist language to justify a raid that was obviously baseless.


Obviously? We have no idea what information they had. They had to get a warrant, after all, which would require at least some probable cause. Do you just doodle jack-booted thugs on your peachy-folder all day? You seem to have them on the brain. This "raid" had people led outside and kept on a sunny porch, while their place was checked, I assume for some weapons or equipment that they had reason to believe was there. This is not exactly the height of oppression. If this had happened at the DNC, to a religious group, you'd be howling about violent fundies. But here, with some wierd hippie cult? It's f*cking Stalinist Russia, man!

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
makes me think of something and hum a tune

You make me want to get stoned and pull out the record player.

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Double post for Floyd.