IGN Botches Alone in the Dark Review

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http://www.gamecritics.com/ign-botches-alone-in-the-dark-review

Read about this article at DQ and, man. I love it. It really shows the tactics of IGN: Play ten minutes, then review. Hopefully it's coming back to bite them now.

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Yeah, this review made me want to pick up Alone in the Dark, after almost all of the reviews were so negative.

But I did have some problems with the review - most of was done in what I feel was a professional manner ("the review said this, but this other thing was really the case"), but the author kind of kills some of his credibility by making personal attacks at the IGN reviewer and editors. The shots may well be deserved, but 9 points of logical criticism are undone by one point of snottiness.

Still and all, a good read.

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Interesting, that's like somebody watching the first 2 minutes of 2001 and saying "This sucks". Well, yeah, it will if you don't take it as a whole. Wonder if the IGN guy would respond to something like this?

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Interesting, that's like somebody watching the first 2 minutes of 2001 and saying "This sucks".

If you only watched the first ten minutes, you'd be asking "Where's the space odyssey?"

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MaxShrek wrote:
Interesting, that's like somebody watching the first 2 minutes of 2001 and saying "This sucks".

If you only watched the first ten minutes, you'd be asking "Where's the space odyssey?"

Or, hey I lived through 2001 and you, sir, are no 2001...

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This guy is right on every point except the bit where he thinks that Alone in the Dark is a good game.

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It sounds like its worth a try. Why would I not want to burn zombies? I hadnt paid much attention to this game's release... partially because I had to cancel Gamefly. It might be time to re-up

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As much as I adore any and all IGN-bashing, and his suspicion that the reviewer probably never played much of the game is probably true, I don't buy most of his argument at all. If he enjoyed the game more than the average person, that's fine. So is claiming it got unfairly maligned or that it's just underrated. But most of his "points" come off as subjective claims that he had a far less frustrating experience then, let's face it, the majority of critics out there, and resorts to the all-too-familiar line of "you're playing it wrong". Also, maybe if it was a game I liked I would agree with him that reviews don't tend to mention the "good" things in a game that's universally panned, but that's just human nature to not notice those things when you're not enjoying yourself. Haze also had no loading times, and I never saw a single review mention that either.

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This one never even came close to interesting me. I blame the movie, by sucking so bad it made me not care about anything "Alone in the Dark" ever again. Professionally it was stupid to only play 10 minutes of a game, it's what you're paid for suck it up! Now, personally, I believe I could tell if the game was a stinker in that time frame depending on just how bad the first 10 minutes were. However, I am a sucker for hanging on to games too long to see if by the grace of god they some how get better.

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The demo was fun, but I don't understand how it can even begin to claim to be full of rational, realistic problems and solutions when pouring lighter fluid into a loaded gun makes it shoot "fire bullets."

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The demo was fun, but I don't understand how it can even begin to claim to be full of rational, realistic problems and solutions when pouring lighter fluid into a loaded gun makes it shoot "fire bullets."

A lot of strange things can happen when you are alone in the dark.

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I read the linked article and y'know, it makes a lot of good points... then it commits the dire sin of over-arguing its case.

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After finally getting something right, Ryan goes off the rails immediately by complaining that fire is the only way to kill enemies, dismissing the gun (of which he incorrectly states there is only one type) and bludgeoning tools entirely. This isn't an entirely accurate description of the situation. The zombies that plague Carnby for the majority of the game can easily be killed with bullets, explosions, or simple clubbing with a sledgehammer. The drawback is that they will come back from the dead unless incinerated.

So basically, this guy is faulting Ryan for saying that it takes fire to kill enemies based on what seems to be his opinion that "killing" something does not necessarily mean it is "dead?" It's not like this is such a rare game mechanic as to be unclear... Hell, I remember casting Melf's Acid Arrow to finish off trolls in Baldur's Gate! Believe me, they weren't dead until you hit them with acid or fire, no matter how horizontal they got.

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So basically, this guy is faulting Ryan for saying that it takes fire to kill enemies based on what seems to be his opinion that "killing" something does not necessarily mean it is "dead?" It's not like this is such a rare game mechanic as to be unclear... Hell, I remember casting Melf's Acid Arrow to finish off trolls in Baldur's Gate! Believe me, they weren't dead until you hit them with acid or fire, no matter how horizontal they got.

I'd be uncomfortable if someone was confusing unconscious and dead as synonyms. If they keep getting back up, I'm fairly certain their not dead, just upset you beat them with a shovel until they passed out.

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So basically, this guy is faulting Ryan for saying that it takes fire to kill enemies based on what seems to be his opinion that "killing" something does not necessarily mean it is "dead?" It's not like this is such a rare game mechanic as to be unclear... Hell, I remember casting Melf's Acid Arrow to finish off trolls in Baldur's Gate! Believe me, they weren't dead until you hit them with acid or fire, no matter how horizontal they got.

I'd be uncomfortable if someone was confusing unconscious and dead as synonyms. If they keep getting back up, I'm fairly certain their not dead, just upset you beat them with a shovel until they passed out.

Y'know Maverick, that kind of thinking will make health care costs skyrocket.

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I've long pushed for abolishing the "hit them with a shovel to see if their dead" test that many hospital insist on performing. It costs the tax payers billions in shovels, and shovel upkeep.

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I've long pushed for abolishing the "hit them with a shovel to see if their dead" test that many hospital insist on performing. It costs the tax payers billions in shovels, and shovel upkeep.

Without this test, how many zombies would now be wandering the streets? HOW MANY?!

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I know that IGN is the whipping boy (or one of them) for what's wrong with game criticism, but really the article above doesn't really do a good job showing that IGN is teh evil.

When it comes to IGN it really comes down to the channel. Most consider IGN's Nintendo team the best in the business.

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I don't know the exact case with this IGN review, and I don't know how good or bad Alone in the Dark may be since I've never played it. But, as mentioned above by others before I used the skip feature to jump past the particularly difficult or frustrating posts, whoever wrote this horrendously long review of a review really didn't do much other than whine about how the reviewer didn't like a game that he liked. Or, at least, I think that's all he did. See, I also skipped much of this review review. Because it was boring, and it was bullsh*t.

I think my favorite part of the review review was when the guy complained that IGN's review stated that you can only kill everything with fire, followed by the guy going on to explain how the IGN review was wrong by explaining how you could use a variety of weapons to beat the enemies senseless, but they would get back up unless you burned them to death, thus illustrating how you can only kill everything with fire!

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He makes a lot of good points, however the game *is* badly flawed. It's still got some fantastic innovative elements to it but flawed it remains. (In particular, 2/3 of the way through you hit a virtual brick wall with the pacing - which is where I had to give up on it...after spending a couple of hours chasing a dozen plot maguffins you finish up and then....have to chase ANOTHER dozen or so plot maguffins).

I'll maybe give the PS3 version a look when it's out though - as apparently it's going to be heavily patched (streamlined inventory, different control scheme, etc).

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MechaSlinky wrote:
Or, at least, I think that's all he did.

You fail at RTFA

The author's main point wasn't that other people didn't like a game he DID like. His point was that the IGN review was written using factually incorrect information that lead him to believe the reviewer hadn't actually PLAYED the game all that much. Yes, the guy goes a little over the top in defending a game that he liked... but based on his comments, the IGN reviewer did seem to so a somewhat shoddy job.

I guess this is the reason for sites like Metacritic, though. Multiple viewpoints are a wonderful thing.

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I'll maybe give the PS3 version a look when it's out though - as apparently it's going to be heavily patched (streamlined inventory, different control scheme, etc).

I just saw something talking about how their might be a 360 patch as well... can't remember where I saw that bit of news, though...

EDIT: here it is.

http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2008/08/21/ps3-alone-in-the-dark-fixes-comi...

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MechaSlinky wrote:
I don't know the exact case with this IGN review, and I don't know how good or bad Alone in the Dark may be since I've never played it. But, as mentioned above by others before I used the skip feature to jump past the particularly difficult or frustrating posts, whoever wrote this horrendously long review of a review really didn't do much other than whine about how the reviewer didn't like a game that he liked. Or, at least, I think that's all he did. See, I also skipped much of this review review. Because it was boring, and it was bullsh*t.

I think my favorite part of the review review was when the guy complained that IGN's review stated that you can only kill everything with fire, followed by the guy going on to explain how the IGN review was wrong by explaining how you could use a variety of weapons to beat the enemies senseless, but they would get back up unless you burned them to death, thus illustrating how you can only kill everything with fire!

Reviewing a review you didn't read of a review the reviewer read in which the reviewer didn't play the game.

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Hmm...I've already traded in the 360 version unfortunately...

Guess I'll wait and see which turns out to be better - the 360 version is already dirt cheap second hand so re-buying it shouldn't be an issue if necessary.

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This is a very interesting read and basically echoes most of the play impressions I've gotten from people I know, that the game is far from perfect but still fun.

There seems to be a strong 'zeitgeist' effect where reviewers don't want to be seen to be dissenting voices. The first preview sets the tone for all previews and reviews that follow, positive or negative. GTA 4, MGS 4 and Too Human (although for many reasons) also seem to fit this theory.

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This is a very interesting read and basically echoes most of the play impressions I've gotten from people I know, that the game is far from perfect but still fun.

There seems to be a strong 'zeitgeist' effect where reviewers don't want to be seen to be dissenting voices. The first preview sets the tone for all previews and reviews that follow, positive or negative. GTA 4, MGS 4 and Too Human (although for many reasons) also seem to fit this theory.

Or, not. Maybe the games really are good or bad and thus you see trends in reviews. Reviewers and critics should love to be "one out" - why not? It gets you more hits on the website. Think about it - would any person here care AT ALL what anyone else thought about something if it was your job to review said item? It could be food, art, or games. Why should you? It's just not logical.

This is the one guy that thinks this game deserves more than it got and his website is getting a lot of attention. There were people who were luke warm to Halo3 as well, but I don't think anyone (professional) came out and said it was crap.

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0kelvin wrote:

Reviewing a review you didn't read of a review the reviewer read in which the reviewer didn't play the game.

9.3/10

0kelvin doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. Did you even read the original post? He wasn't "reviewing the review," he was "not playing the game, then not reading the review review." Get your facts straight!

3 out of, like, lots of points

I'll admit I got confused and didn't read to the end of the sentence, but my point still stands.

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See, my bigger beef here is the expectation one. A review is nothing more than one persons experiences with a game, just like a movie review. The IGN piece is NOT a hackjob. It's a pretty dirt-standard review, and I've read a lot of them that were much more poorly thought out. I give the guy props for even playing the game all the way through. I beat my head on that game for about an hour and a half before I realized the control system was NEVER going to get better. Personally, it was unplayable. That's just me. Obviously other people loved it.

And there's the rub, as always. I don't follow this guys work, but maybe this was the wrong reviewer for the job. Genre matters. Just look at Rolling Stone: the reason they can credibly review C&W, Rap, Rollins and the Jonas Brothers is that they don't have the same dude reviewing everything "because it's all music."

I suspect there's some of that going on here in both directions: Weissenberger (at GC) clearly goes for the big-boy games in principle. He's reviewed R6 Vegas, GTA, Kane & Lynch, Virtua Fighter, Devil May Cry, Dark Sector and Operation Darkness this year. On this later, somewhat out of character review he opens by saying:

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"The truth is that all reviews are subjective. Critics, reviewers, and gamers all bring the weight of their experiences and tastes with them to every game they play.I point this out because Operation Darkness nearly overwhelmed my critical reasoning skills. It's a game that hews so closely to my tastes that it might well have sprung wholly-formed from my own mind. Had I been asked, one year ago, what the absolute best premise I could imagine for a game would be, there's an 80% chance my answer would have been "A gothic-horror themed League of Extaordinary Gentlemen battle Hitler's undead army." So how can I possibly look at a game fairly when it seems to have been created for a market of me?"

I see that as what's at work here. Weissenberger was clearly predisposed to like AitD. I think Geddes approached this like a pretty dirt-standard review.

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Nyles wrote:
0kelvin wrote:

Reviewing a review you didn't read of a review the reviewer read in which the reviewer didn't play the game.

9.3/10

0kelvin doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. Did you even read the original post? He wasn't "reviewing the review," he was "not playing the game, then not reading the review review." Get your facts straight!

3 out of, like, lots of points

I'll admit I got confused and didn't read to the end of the sentence, but my point still stands.

Your first sentence establishes that 0kelvin is a third person, but then your second sentence is a question in second person. Did I even read the original post, or did 0kelvin? What's being asked?

I'd rate it 4% out of B+

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Shoal07 wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
This is a very interesting read and basically echoes most of the play impressions I've gotten from people I know, that the game is far from perfect but still fun.

There seems to be a strong 'zeitgeist' effect where reviewers don't want to be seen to be dissenting voices. The first preview sets the tone for all previews and reviews that follow, positive or negative. GTA 4, MGS 4 and Too Human (although for many reasons) also seem to fit this theory.

Or, not. Maybe the games really are good or bad and thus you see trends in reviews. Reviewers and critics should love to be "one out" - why not? It gets you more hits on the website. Think about it - would any person here care AT ALL what anyone else thought about something if it was your job to review said item? It could be food, art, or games. Why should you? It's just not logical.

This is the one guy that thinks this game deserves more than it got and his website is getting a lot of attention. There were people who were luke warm to Halo3 as well, but I don't think anyone (professional) came out and said it was crap.

It's just a pattern I've noticed recently, it may be nothing, but I am very skeptical about basing purchase decisions on 'professional' reviews, I prefer to get the opinions of people I know and respect. I'm not saying that it is deliberate either, maybe after a few impressions have hit people convince themselves that things are not as they really are.

What else explains the mass fellatio for GTA 4? The game was good, yet nowhere near deserving of the accolades it got. I don't think anyone wanted to be out of step with the hype.

Oblivion was the best thing since peanut butter in review, yet down the line the consensus is that the game, while good, was flawed in a number of ways.

It just seriously seems that there is a frenzy around some games.

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There is a frenzy around games, and it cuts both ways. Alone in the Dark can't be reviewed on its merits because it's too high profile. It has to be either a work of genius or a fiasco. The review community has already chosen fiasco. The problem with reviewing a reputed fiasco is that you have to spend the whole review defending it point by point. It then becomes far too easy to slide into calling it a work of genius, when it's probably not.

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