So much for justice
The woman says she forgot to file a report when her child went missing because she was so busy with her own investigation. She didn't tell her boyfriend the kid was gone. She said she left the kid with someone she couldn't identify by face, at a location that had been uninhabited for weeks (conveniently directly across from her boyfriend's house). She lied to police about where she worked and only admitted she didn't work there while wandering the halls of the place with police escort, looking for her "office." She asked to borrow a shovel around the time the kid went missing. She refused to let her father look in the trunk of her car. In questioning, she showed no emotion, sadness or remorse over the loss of her daughter.
...but since she got a bondsman to come up with $500,000, she's at home tonight.
I don't know, maybe she didn't do it. Maybe she's just totally obsessed with making it look like she did. She's being monitored so she might not run, but this is the kind of thing that pisses me off so much about the whole idea of bail. What? You've got money? Well, we can't have you staying in a depressing jail cell now can we?! On your way now. Oh, please don't run away, OK?
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So you think the concept of bail is a injustice? You would rather have everyone convicted of a crime stay in jail till their proceedings?
Not an expert in US legal terms, but I'm pretty sure every movie shows that the judge is resposible for determining when bail will be allowed and when it won't. So it's a money thing, but also a judgement (and lack-there-of) thing.
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Convicted? Well, yes, ideally.
For people charged and held, I think keeping all of them in jail until their proceedings would be more fair than only holding the poor.
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Most bail payments, like most crimes, are not large. Knowing several dumbasses who have been arrested on a variety of charges, the biggest bail I've personally seen was $500.
OK Joe, but most crimes aren't large. We're talking about a woman held on charges of providing false information to the police and suspicion of murdering a child and a bail of $500,000.
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Well good, maybe if she wants to go free she should've not killed her kid? I'm honestly not sure why there wasn't a no-bail request, but whatever.
I think you mean charged, not convicted.
It seems a bit early to wail about justice.
Fedaykin98 wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
I meant charged.
Their not charging her with murder yet, so a no bail is both excessive and unrealistic. The bail system is designed to help people prepare their defense, and to cut down on overcrowding in jails. You can't possibly get rid of bail and expect our jails to be able to hold the current backlog, and you can't put nonconvicted people into a prison, so we would end up spending millions on new jails.
Was the bail set at 500,000 or 5,000,000?
You only pay 10% of what ever the number is to be released.
So if it was 500,000 then she would have had to front 50,000 to be home that night.
While I agree that you should not be allowed to leave if you are charged with a crime. Everyone should be held on remand in a perfect system but unfortunately our criminal justice system is so extremely f*cked up that I have a hard time siding with anyone but the defendant in most cases.
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Do you people realize how long the wait is between being charged, and being tried, years in some cases, you want them in jail that whole time, thats awesome if they are innocent, which they are, right up till the jury comes back.
Anyone do a psyche eval on this lady? It seems too...strange for the average kidnapper/potential murderer to come up with without having some kind of condition or disorder.
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Maverick, you're turning this into a straw man. I'm not arguing that. All I'm arguing is that it isn't fair that the difference between rotting in a cell and going home is how much money you can spare.
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Yeah, but that's the nature of the system, Lobster. The law is not about fairness. I'm not arguing that's right, just that in legal matters, the more money you have, the better off you'll be during the process.
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Bail also takes into account severity of the crime, financial situation of the accused and other factors. The bail was set to a level she in all reality couldn't have reached, de facto remand. If she wasn't getting support because shes become a macabe celebrity, she wouldn't be getting out. She may not even be paying for her 10 percent of the bail.
I would think it involves a lien on her house, that's what would usually be used, as I understand it.
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That and the threat of bounty hunters if she fails to show for her court date.
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Bail in most cases isn't bad. I would argue it's a good thing. Now, better judgment on bail, that you'll get my agreement. But in most cases it's around 500, so you'd need to front 50$. I'm a poor bastard, and I could likely scrape up the $50. And IIRC, it's refunded either when you show or when you're cleared.
The worst I can recall (and is more a testament to judicial stupidity), is when my aunt got pulled over in Breckenridge, CO coming back from a trip to find out her license was revoked. (It was a clerical error.) So, while she was getting that sorted, she needed to get a ride to her court date (She lived in Colorado Springs). The ride bailed, she called and explained. A week later when we were there, we gave her a ride up, she paid her ticket... and got jailed. (Now, them not administering her medication as ordered aside) it took us 4 hours to get ahold of someone who could wire up the money for bail. (We had to pay $500, so that'd make the bail 5000?).
Also: She got hauled off, in handcuffs by three officers... in front of her 7 year old daughter. (And 12 year old nephew). She didn't as much as yell either, all she said was "Are you serious?". Then bam, handcuffs, and dragged off.
That's f*cked justice.
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So I guess she's not the ideal poster girl against $500k bail bonds after all.
I can't even comprehend how seriously bent you'd need to be to take the life of your own 3 year old daughter.
And party afterwards? It's a wonder she doesn't run into herself going around a corner.
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My original argument was that they shouldn't have let her go home for any price.
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Bounty hunter to revoke Casey Anthony's bond
Fedaykin98 wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
Good. I hope this is more of a "I see now that she's guilty" reverse and less of a "well, I'm famous, don't need you any more!" deal.
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