Ooops!! Sorry about your dogs, Mayor.
Thursday, August 7th, 2008 - 8:54am
This story hit the cycle earlier this week. It caught my attention because I just moved out of this exact neighborhood. The mayor's house was literally 1/4 mile away across the railroad tracks.
I'm sure this sort of mistaken identity happens a lot more often than we know about. I suspect this is really only notable because it was the mayor's house.
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We should just end the war on drugs. It makes the war in Iraq seem rational in comparison.
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Poor dogs! But overall pretty damn funny as there is A LOT of heads about to roll. It even says in the story the police investigating have seen the perps drop off packages and then another guy picks up the package!
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Having just lost a pet, this sort of thing seems even worse, and I always considered these sorts of actions to be rather monstrous.
Well that's some pretty f*cking great detective work there, jackass. God forbid you actually try to figure out who lives somewhere before you kick in the door and start shooting up the place.
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Yeah, is it bad that I felt bad for the dogs and not much else? Though I did feel a little sympathy for the people losing their pets - that's pretty harsh. Especially since it didn't seem that they were much of a threat at all.
If you can't be a good example, at least be a horrible warning.
A friend of mine had this happen to him:
His dog escaped from his cage in the garden and decided to take a nap on a bench (in the same garden). The neighbours - and old couple - were worried about the escaped dog and called the police. What did they decide to do? Shoot the dog. From within the car. Twice. Once through the bench, once again while he was limping to get away. After which they let the dog bleed slowly to death.
Now the police pretend they know nothing. Close ranks and all that. Bastards.
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This kind of thing needs to happen to public officials more often. Maybe then they'll start caring enough to put a stop to no-knock raids and ensure that officers will be punished when they're responsible for raids on innocent people. Punishing them would be a better form of deterrence than giving them medals.
Since they had a warrant, smacking the judge around a bit seems to be in order as well.
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Well, in fairness, the mother in law did scream when she saw black clad men with machineguns running into the house. That, at least, is the justification they gave for making the entry particularly dynamic.
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Is there a police ombudsman or independent body that citizens can report police officers to? We've only had ours for a very short time but Northern Irelands' Police Ombudsman has been quite a success given how low policing had sunk. Perhaps the courts isn't the method to tackle poor policing?
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These guys couldn't find their effing a$$holes with both hands, map, flashlight, and a personal coach.
Believe it or not, THIS is what's got me completely rethinking my feelings on the Patriot Act. As a private citizen, this episode is merely terrifying. As a dog owner, I want blood.
Also - I came to P&C looking for this specific thread, and a more descriptive name might be cool.
Say it again. How these retards got their pants on before the raid is a mystery to me.
Also, aren't the police supposed to be a little circumspect about the whole deadly force thing? What, you can only shoot a human if they present a serious threat, but you can shoot a dog if it looks at you wrong? This is f***ed up.
The no-knock thing is f***ed up. The plainclothes, masked thing is beyond f***ed up. They're lucky they don't get into firefights with innocent citizens, pulling that s***. I have a shotgun for one reason only: to shoot "plainclothes" people who show up at my house unexpectedly. And from reports, the dogs weren't attacking the cops, but what would you reasonably expect a good dog to do to someone who breaks into your house?
I'm starting to wonder about whether the police should have the right to invade someone's home under any but the most urgent circumstances. Surround the house and ring the doorbell - you probably won't get too many Wacos. You'll certainly get fewer f***-ups involving innocent citizens.
Didn't know it was the mayor's house. Jesus Christ.
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I try to err on the side of law enforcement as often as possible because I realize that their job is not at all easy AND the "drug war" (as ridiculous as it is, they have no say in the formulation of that particular policy) has made their jobs that much more dangerous, but I still have to wonder if the societal cost of the militarization of police tactics has created a mentality that uses force too often as a first resort.
One of my friends was mugged the other day in DC on his way home. He and his brother were walking home from the bars and were literally blocks from their house when two punk kids tried to shake them down for cash. They hesitated for a couple seconds out of fear and one of the muggers pulled a gun and shot his brother.
Thankfully, the punks ran off after that, but what happened afterward was, in many ways, worse. My bud called 911 to get the cops and a bus (his brother was shot in the neck and was losing a lot of blood). The cops were the first to arrive and he told them that it was his brother, what happened, and that he needed to keep talking to him to keep him conscious. The cops, otoh, kept trying to get him to say that he was in the neighborhood buying drugs and to back away from the vic.
After a few minutes of this, he got upset at the police officer and told him that he was not buying drugs, the vic was his brother, and that there was no way he was backing away from him. That's when the cop drilled him full force in the center of the chest with the business end of his flashlight. When he hit the ground, the cop put his knee on his neck, cuffed him, and tossed him in the squad car.
Irrespective of the nature of the danger leos face, I can't help but think that treating a victim this way was entirely unnecessary. I would like to think this is simply a lack of proper training, but I think it is far deeper than that. It appears, at least to me, to be a profound difference of policing philosophy.
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Jesus crist. I hope this was videotaped by the cruiser's camera.
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And, yet, people went out of their way to lambaste me for saying that things are worse in this country than they have ever been before. Add 'routine police brutality' to the long, long, LONG list of things that are broken.
As an ethnic minority, I have to say that things are many times BETTER than they were as recently as 40 years ago. Say what you will about the problems we have today, but in many VERY significant ways, we are far better off today than we have ever been.
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What Paleo said, Malor. I hope you know I love you like a brother for our WoW time together, but you're kind of given to hyperbole.
Paleo - that story is also effing terrifying. I hope they are suing, hope that cop is being fired or worse. Is it legal for cops to prevent first aid in a life-threatening circumstance?
More on the mayor story: I just realized that if they didn't know it was the mayor's house, that means they made NO attempt whatsoever to figure out who lived there. Is THAT legal?
And I hope the judge who issued the warrant gets his, as well.
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From the story I read, they did, though they only got the name of the wife (since it was her name on the package). Apparently that's all they cared to find out. They never bothered to see who else might live there.
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Beating confessions out of suspects, warrantless searches, busting heads, keeping suspects away from lawyers- all these things existed up to and after the reform period of the 1960s and 1970s. Where are you getting this idea that these things are modern inventions or more prevalent now than they were then?
It's hard to imagine something like the Mississippi Burning case happening today without those rednecks getting the death penalty.
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Pale, is your friend's brother ok? Your story kind of leaves him on the concrete, bleeding profusely at the neck.
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4 broken ribs, destroyed spleen, punctured lung, and other internal injuries, but he's alive and stable.
I told my bud that he should seriously see a trauma counselor.
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Seconded.
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He should see a whole bunch of lawyers, goddamit!
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I think he'd rather not sue the city if he doesn't have to. He still lives in the city and relies on the police for protection. This does, however, have him thinking about moving the hell out of the city.
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With protection like that, who needs criminals?
Hopefully after he wins his lawsuit, he can live anywhere he wants.
Also, I'm confused about the list of injuries, since buzz was asking about the shooting victim. Getting shot in the neck gave him broken ribs, or are those injuries from the guy hit by the cop?
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The shooter was holding the gun "gangsta" style above his head. Vic ducked as the gun went off. Bullet entered through the neck and travelled parallel to his spine, through the lung and came to read in his spleen.
My friend suffered a bruised sternum from the hit with the flashlight.
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Is either your friend or his pal black?
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Actually, no. Both are white and very yuppie looking. One of the cops actually said "If you're white and in this neighborhood, you must be after drugs". That was particularly mystifying considering it was just three blocks away from $1.2mil rowhouses.
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Man, if that happened to me I'd be all over a lawyer and contacting every journalist I could. If that cop gets away with it, it just encourages that behavior - to say nothing of the seething rage I'd be feeling.
This whole thread is very disturbing.
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Isn't that what black people have been saying for generations? I do think that this kind of behavior is more the exception than the rule, but I don't have any experience to base that on.