WOW: BHA- So...how do I heal a raid? (I'm serious)

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Any tips? I'll be healing with Newark, my restro druid on Tues. I've never healed a raid before. I know how to heal obviously, but not how to heal a raid. I have 1871 +healing & good mana regen I guess, I rarely need to drink. My armory link: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blackhand&n=Newark

I specifically need to know about crosshealing. I plan on using XPerl raid frames so I can see everyone's health. I have tried Healbot in the past but didn't like it. Any advice would be great. Thanks.

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Healing a raid depends on what you're doing. As a Druid, you'll very likely be main tank healing. This means one thing: Treeform and drop lifeblooms. You'll want to keep a full stack rolling on the tank at all times. However, if you're not involved in that, then you'll be dropping HoTs on the raid as they need em.

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Go run AV. Run to the Horde's relief hut and then assault their general. Now you'll have a tank (whose identity is generally a complete mystery pre-fight) to heal as well as a wandering tribe of dillholes scattered about 8 different raid groups. Do this until it eventually makes a wee bit of sense, then you'll be more than set for raids.


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I'd suggest picking Healbot back up, since it's the easiest way I know to condense targeting and healing into a single click. Otherwise, you're going to want mouseover macros tied to keypresses.

I use a combo of Healbot and Decursive, and generally put out excellent numbers with few deaths, even though I haven't done that much main healing.

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Healing with a Resto Druid is not very hard. Your biggest issue is that almost all your heals are heal over time. Best thing to do is always keep lifebloom x 3 up and one of the heals you can pair with swiftmend. I usually pull the tanks and the other healers out separately. If you can keep those folks up, then the rest is easy.

As far as the numbers go, lifebloom will credit the person you healed, not you. It is very frustrating to be last on the healing list and not be able to figure out way.

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Don't know if that used to be the case, but I don't believe it is now. Zel does very well on the meters, and that's probably 80% lifebloom. She was #2 in a long 25-person raid last week.

If she weren't getting credit for lifebloom, she'd barely even register.

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Malor wrote:
Don't know if that used to be the case, but I don't believe it is now. Zel does very well on the meters, and that's probably 80% lifebloom. She was #2 in a long 25-person raid last week.

If she weren't getting credit for lifebloom, she'd barely even register.

The HoT registers with the druid, the bloom does not. That's why its rather odd. But yeah we have a leafy druid in our raids, usually 2, and they are definitely up there on the meters.

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I'm going to echo an earlier comment. There's a few ways to pick up good raid healing, and they all teach you a better way to crossheal. Start off doing PVP. Alternate between Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley. Arathi Basin gives you a good feel for how to assign priorities on a limited number of targets, and to start figuring out when you can spare heals. Because sometimes switching healing targets = raidwipe just as often as not picking up a stray heal = raidwipe. AB helps you learn when to do which. Then graduate some to AV, which helps you in a closer to PVE environment deal with a tank who is trying frantically to hold aggro and stay alive while taking massive amounts of damage. The problem with AV is that there's a pile on healer effect for the end boss, so you're going to want to get in early and heal on one of the minibosses.

Finally, once you've got some decent healing gear and a good idea of how healing should work, run pick up instances and heroics with different tanks to get a feel for how they take damage and when aggro gets pulled off them. I say pick up groups because oftentimes the tank sucks, or the mage won't stop overnuking, so aggro is oftentimes all over the place, and it's a good environment to try your hand at frantic healing. You're going to screw up every now and again, and someone is going to fly off the handle about where their heals were, but just tell them they can sit on your c*ck and spin for all you care and drop group, you won't do yourself any favors by being polite to disrespectful assholes. But once you get up to 90% or better for whole runs with no mistakes, you can heal anything in the game.

If all else fails: the good thing about Druid is Tranquility. If everyone in your group is taking a dive, and you can't hold it together, pop your tranquility and try to get the shaman to pay attention to chain healing. Because cross healing is largely his job.

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JoeBedurndurn wrote:
Go run AV. Run to the Horde's relief hut and then assault their general. Now you'll have a tank (whose identity is generally a complete mystery pre-fight) to heal as well as a wandering tribe of dillholes scattered about 8 different raid groups. Do this until it eventually makes a wee bit of sense, then you'll be more than set for raids.

I've done that many times.

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I'm still confused about crosshealing. Do I just need to heal my group or do I heal people in the other group. How do I know if I should heal someone in the other group or if the other healer is getting to that person who needs the heal?

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Schnuggles wrote:
I'm still confused about crosshealing. Do I just need to heal my group or do I heal people in the other group. How do I know if I should heal someone in the other group or if the other healer is getting to that person who needs the heal?

An extra heal is certainly better than a missed one.

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Schnuggles wrote:
I'm still confused about crosshealing. Do I just need to heal my group or do I heal people in the other group. How do I know if I should heal someone in the other group or if the other healer is getting to that person who needs the heal?

An extra heal is certainly better than a missed one.

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Healbot is also pretty useful for showing who the other healers in the group are currently targeting with a heal, though it AFAIK doesn't readily display other healers HoTs, so the druids are generally a mystery.


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How much reagents should I bring? I have a stack of 20 each for GOTW & Rebirth. Is that enough?

As for consumables, I have a full mana potion injectior, plenty of golden fishsticks & Elixer of Major Healing Power & a mana oil with 4 charges. Should I use a mana regen flask?

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Other questions I have are regarding setting up Xperl for raids. I messed around with it this evening. Any advice on how I should set it up?

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Schnuggles wrote:
How much reagents should I bring? I have a stack of 20 each for GOTW & Rebirth. Is that enough?

As for consumables, I have a full mana potion injectior, plenty of golden fishsticks & Elixer of Major Healing Power & a mana oil with 4 charges. Should I use a mana regen flask?

I think you are set. As for the mana flask... depends on how the rest of the raid is set up. If you have strong healers, it probably won't be needed. If you need to keep everyone up, probably won't hurt. If you notice yourself going OOM, drink it.

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You might want to also use a wisdom elixir with your healing power. You'll do fine, and you'll get the hang of working with other healers through practice. Follow the tips already given and you're golden. I also like Healbot. And overhealing is nothing to be afraid of, unless you are mana starved.

As for crosshealing, I keep an eye on the entire raid unless I'm strictly assigned to a tank on a boss fight, and even then if I can. Healbot is awesome for that.

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As far as who heals what, I think that's decided on a per-raid basis. Sometimes the raid leader is very specific about what he or she wants, and sometimes he/she will just bring the numbers and let the healers figure it out.

Generally, SOMEONE will be charge of figuring out who's healing what, so as long as you're doing what you've been assigned to do, it should be fine. If there are no assignments, remember that tank death usually is an outright wipe, healer death adds pressure and greatly increases the risk of a wipe, and dps death just slows the fight down. Prioritize accordingly.

I find druids are pretty darn good raid healers for the intermittent damage fights; if your HoTs have time to tick, tossing lifeblooms on multiple people can get a large chunk of the raid healthy again within about 15 or 20 seconds. Chain heal is obviously faster and better, but a light sprinkle of lifebloom can work wonders.

As far as lifebloom's bloom component not registering... are you sure about that? It seems unlikely, given what I've seen of the meters and of how often I let them bloom.

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Malor wrote:

As far as lifebloom's bloom component not registering... are you sure about that? It seems unlikely, given what I've seen of the meters and of how often I let them bloom.

Yes. I was playing around outside an instance and the message was Dyrrian receives x from Dyrrians lifebloom.

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SillyRabbit wrote:
You might want to also use a wisdom elixir with your healing power. You'll do fine, and you'll get the hang of working with other healers through practice. Follow the tips already given and you're golden. I also like Healbot. And overhealing is nothing to be afraid of, unless you are mana starved.

As for crosshealing, I keep an eye on the entire raid unless I'm strictly assigned to a tank on a boss fight, and even then if I can. Healbot is awesome for that.

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Thanks!

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I'll chime in on a few things since I've gotten much better and more confident in my healing abilities over the last several months despite contradicting some of the advice here.

Healbot/Decursive - I tried Healbot for a few weeks, and I found that in general, it actually was slightly less responsive than doing the healing manually. Now, the big caveat here is that I'm a paladin healer, so I really only have a few abilities to do any healing, and of those only two that get used frequently: Flash Heal and Holy Light (i.e. Uzi Heal and Bazooka Heal). Holy Shock is also good for an insta-heal, but Flash Heal is really darn fast and heals for more, so as my +healing and mana pool have increased, I find that it's easier just to overheal a bit with Flash Heal than depend upon Holy Shock to save situations.

I'm digressing. My point is that Healbot, given that I really only need to worry about three shortcuts on a frequent basis, was less responsive for me than doing it manually. This is totally personal preference though, try both ways and see what's more comfortable and responsive for you. For some people, that's Healbot. For others, it's not. You need to run several raids/groups with each method to get a good feel for what you prefer.

Crosshealing - Short answer? As Tundra said, an extra heal is better than a missed one. From what I've read and experienced, you're going to experience anywhere from 15-25% overhealing depending on the specific encounters you're running and the raid composition. Some classes will overheal more than others, too (HoT's will tend to overheal more than targetted heals in many cases from what I've seen, but that's just fine!).

Healbot indicates people that are receiving healing from other members of the raid, but the latest versions of X-Perl (my customizable UI of choice) do too. Members receiving heals get a green highlight on their background & border, so I can prioritize members who aren't receiving heals currently. It works nicely.

Generally, depending on the encounters, either the raid leader will assign healers (on fights where tanks receiving consistent, constant healing is critical) or the healers will simply organize themselves. For raids where the healer team is pretty experienced with each other, we often won't even need to organize except in a few spots, because we're used to how each other works. For instance, I've done raid healing with Kiri and Juturna so much that we only need to worry about picking targets in very intense fights. That's something that'll just come with time, and it took me a long time to get to that point of comfort!

Don't worry too much about crosshealing at first. It's better (especially when you're learning raid healing) that everyone be topped off as much as possible than it is to worry overmuch about efficiency. The efficiency doesn't get as crucial unless you're dealing with a starved mana pool or you're running raids that have a timer (like ZA).

General Tips - Just some general stuff that I can think of to help with suggestions.

If you're using X-Perl or another custom UI with similar features (and I HIGHLY recommend this as a fellow healer!) there are some settings that'll help you out. Showing health deficit rather than totals is a good start: instead of showing how much HP your group or raid members currently have, it shows how much HP they're missing (but the bar still shows health the normal way if you want). This is great, as it tells me two things at a glance: which heal would be more appropriate for them, and how hard/fast they're getting hit. If they're taking damage reasonably slowly and have a lot of health missing, I can throw a big heal their way. Otherwise, they get a quick Flash Heal if they only need a little healing, or I turn on the Flash Heal uzi including popping some trinkets/cooldowns if they're getting hit hard and fast.

Another great option I love in X-Perl is that, like highlighting targets getting heals, it highlights targets getting aggro and getting injured. People with a red highlight are getting aggro, so I can prep heals for them as needed. I see someone flash red who's not a tank, I start firing off a flash heal their way if I can, because they're about to get slapped by something!

In general, don't let tanks get below half health. Doesn't matter if they're "your" tank or not; if a tank's hitting half health or less, and you aren't needed elsewhere, starting firing heals at that tank asap.

Heal the other healers asap. Even if they're only a little injured, it's important for two reasons:
1) healers dropping is bad, so keep their health topped off as much as possible to reduce the risk of that
2) when healers have been injured, it may have been due to aggro (you never know), so it's better for another healer to help them rather than for them to compound the situation by healing themselves.

Heal everyone else. Yes, your priority is who you're assigned to heal, but never restrict yourself to just that. Heal anyone who needs it whenever you can spare the time & mana.

Lastly, learn all your cooldowns and trinkets well, so you can take best advantage of them. Also, most trinkets have short cooldown timers, and can be used multiple times per battle. Don't leave them unused, thinking "what if I need it later?!" You know what? If you use them frequently and effectively, there's much less chance you'll need them later. For example, I have one ability and one trinket that both help with mana regen and efficiency. I use them pretty early in each fight to help sustain my mana pool. I use them again as often as I can to keep extending my mana pool. Works great, and I chug a lot fewer potions as a result!

That's all I've got for the moment, I'm sure I'll think of more stuff later. I don't know a lot about druid healing or I'd give you tips more specific to your character, but I've played a healer in just about every mmo or team game I've played (yes, I played a medic in Tribes 2 and play one frequently now in TF2 as well!). I love the role of healer, for whatever reason it's been my favorite all along!

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This thread on Elitist Jerks is probably the best resto druid reference available:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17783-druid_raiding_tree/

There's quite a bit of math, but overall, it's the best guide to healing and gearing I have seen so far.

Resto druid PvE healing is based 100% on rotations: like DPS, we have set spell rotations that lets us output the maximum healing per second while maintaining our mana. The 7 seconds of lifebloom are what every rotation is based around: You have 4 Global Cooldowns to play with on any rotation. Letting the spell bloom may give a slight burst heal, but at higher levels of gear(I sit around 2500 +healing while raid buffed-Armory), the bloom is worth around 2 ticks of a 3 stack. Considering that it takes 4-4.5 seconds to get a full stack up, it's generally a bad idea to let the bloom happen.

Past that, it's entirely dependent on the encounter. You won't have many spare GCD's for most fights, so raid healing isn't really an option. For raid healing, I would try to get Clique configured-having lifebloom set to ctrl-left mouse and rejuv set to ctrl-right mouse is very handy for quick heals. I find that keeping the tank and yourself alive is more of a priority than anything else-you're going to have to rely on the raid healers to keep the raid up, because a lot of your attention will be on the MT. Tunnel vision, in this case, is definitely a very good thing, as it keeps your own mana up, and doesn't step on other people's assignments.

I would also recommend using Grid. You can configure it to show when your target's lifebloomed(and how many stacks), rejuv'd, etc, as well as when they're poisoned and cursed. It helps give you a much smaller area to move your mouse for raid targeting.

As for consumables, I generally start a night with:
40+ mana potions
20+ major rejuvenation potions
20+ Mad Alchemist pots
10 healing potions
20 Golden Fishsticks(or Feltail delight for fights that need more stamina)
2 Shattrath Flask of Might Restoration(for BT/Hyjal)
20 Draenic Wisdom
2 Bloodberry Elixir(for Sunwell)
100 Quilvine
1 Superior Wizard oil

I end the night with most of it, but it's still nice to have in case I need any of it.

Right now, mana consumption is more of an issue than +healing, so I tend to use mana consumables more than the +healing ones. Since we've been learning Brutallus the last couple of weeks(got him last Wed!), we've been running with 1 resto druid, so I've had to buff everyone after every wipe. Wizard oil also buffs +healing, so it's generally better than mana oil in almost all cases.

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I'm interested on how it went in Kara? Were you successful?

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I'm going with healbot for the win... but no knowledge on druid healing...

Unless you're running out of mana overhealing is the most worthless stat in the game. Underhealing is effectively known as "wiping".

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tundra wrote:
I'm interested on how it went in Kara? Were you successful?

I hope so, lol.

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Thanks for all the help everyone. I appreciate it.

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As the healing lead for my guild, I'll offer some insights. I've run our crew from Kara, ZA, SSC, TK and into BT.

Mods:
Grid (wowace.com) - I find this to be a great wealth of information for raids. You can see aggro, health, incoming heals and debuffs. It is compact but very dense with information. Great for everyone really, not just healers.

HealOrganizer (wowace.com) - In terms of defining who is healing what, this is a great little mod to use. You can broadcast healing assignments in a healer channel or whisper assignments directly.

I gave up on Decursive, as Grid gives me enough information regarding dispelling debuffs.

I have no experience with HealBot.

Cross-Healing/Healing Assignments:
In a full on raid setting, I generally discourage cross-healing as a norm. Of course, in an emergency it is perfectly acceptable. I organize my raids in the following fashion: burst healers (paladins and holy priests) on tanks, one dedicated druid to keep HoTs on ALL tanks, and druids/CoH priests/resto shammies to heal the raid, by group. The reason I try and ask my healers not to cross heal is that I can be a better judge of where healing resources should go. If healer A is doing his job and spotting in healer B's groups... it will be harder for me to figure out that healer B is having issues. Additionally, healer A is wasting mana for his own group assignment. In any case, the specific focus of healing assignments generally makes it easier to heal the raid.

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Find someone who has the Mana Potion Injector Recipe. Mana potions stack to 5, the injector stacks them to 20. I carry 60-80 mana potions on me at all times across 3 or 4 injectors.

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Also, I have 20 Golden Fish Sticks (+healing) and 20 Sporefish Filet (+mp5) for raid food.

I used the Draenic Wisdom and Healing Power elixir combo for a long time. However, flasks are better and cheaper in the long run. They last through death. If you are wiping while learning new content, elixirs can get expensive. Your mileage may vary.

Basically, stock up.

Let me know if you have any specific questions, I'll be happy to help.

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Also, I have 20 Golden Fish Sticks (+healing) and 20 Sporefish Filet (+mp5) for raid food.

20 stam food(feltail delight, clefthoof stuff, etc.) are better mp5 for druids than sporefish at T5+ levels. They're cheaper, as well.

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Whether or not flasking is cost-effective depends on your server costs and your elixir choices. With the elixirs Zel uses (major agility and major fort), she has to die about ten times to pay for a flask. Dying ten times in two hours is pretty improbable, in my experience, anywhere but a BG.