Possible Obama/Hagel ticket?
Monday, July 28th, 2008 - 6:39pm
Though this article lists the Republican Senator from Nebraska as a long shot, he is currently being vetted for the possible VP slot. Wow would that be something.
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Democrats who have discussed possible picks with Obama campaign officials and have knowledge of the vetting process said others being considered include Sen. Christopher Dodd (Conn.), Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and former Sen. Sam Nunn (Ga.). Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) are mentioned as longshots.
An Obama/Hagel ticket would definitively seize the middle ground, drop a safe Republican senate seat, and possibly split the GOP. Despite the long odds, I'd have to say this would be a very shrewd tactical move.
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Hagel would be my first choice out of the names you listed, with Nunn and Clinton being tied for last place. Obama needs to create a new paradigm here, not go with the old guard.
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Former NJ Gov Whitman has been floated as a name too. I think a split ticket its a definite possibility this year.
The only split I could see McCain going for would be a McCain/Lieberman ticket. That, I think, would be a horrendous mistake. Another interesting possibility that was being floated for a while was a McCain/Clinton ticket, though I think that would be even more problematic.
Obama looks to have far greater possibilities considering the general anger with the GOP. That affords him more flexibility in dealing with his base. McCain, otoh, is in danger of the traditional GOP staying home.
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Chris Dodd is an excellent choice as well as Wexler. I don't know much about Hagel but give me a few hours to read up on him.
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I was just idly thinking about the possibility of an Obama/Hagel ticket today. That would be pretty damn cool in my book.
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I don't know. Think McCain and Lieberman: From the Balcony
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re Hillary being "vetted" -- as a matter of fact she's NOT being vetted. Or course you can read it as a foregone conclusion both ways, but I think it's a safe bet that she is not in the running.
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You'd have to be insane to think there was a chance of a McCain/Clinton ticket. Insane.
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Won't happen. VP is a hatchet man in campaigns and Hagel wouldn't be able to do that as a Republican running in a unity ticket, plus the MoveOn, DailyKOS, and Democrat Underground wing would go apesh*t and they have a lot of power in the party.
It would be like McCain putting a pro-abortion candidate as VP, the far right would go nuts. I wish we had 4 parties.
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I disagree. John Kerry's biggest mistake was not drop kicking Michael Moore as far away from the convention as possible. Ok, that might not be a great analogy. But, Moore scared the bejesus out of the middle, and lost the election for Kerry. Kerry would have been better of to learn from Bill clinton, when he dissed Jesse Jackson and Sister Soulja when he spoke to the Rainbow Coalition. He had their supporters votes regardless. He needed votes from folks that would run away from Jackson.
I think you are not understanding what Obama wants in unity. He wants to work with the Republicans, just not the assholes. Hagel would help bridge that gap, and bring in votes that McCain could otherwise just assume he had. The best part about a Hagel ticket would be that it fits in with what Obama wants to do a president, and not just be an election ploy.
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Really? Does he? Hagel is anti-abortion, believes in a much more liberal trade policy, and many other issues. Just because he wasn't for the war with Iraq, doesn't mean he and Senator Obama same the share ideology.
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What good would a Republican that sees eye to eye with Obama on the issues be? The point in unity is assuring the opposition that they are not only being heard, but respected. I disagree with Hagel on plenty of issues, but he seems like a man that comes by his beliefs honestly, and not part of a way to get elected. That is someone you can work with.
Now, if you had pointed out how well Obama did in Nebraska, so Hagel may not bring in as many votes, I could see your point. But that is not what he is trying to accomplish with Hagel. the hope is that Hagel can bring him votes from all over the country.
MoveOn and the others are voting Obama regardless. There is no longer a need to kiss their butts. Most Americans find MoveOn to be full of crap.
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But, the MoveOn people are needed to fund and do GOTV. By that logic, McCain could put in a moderate social con but a good fiscal con and get the same people.
I think Senator Obama could run with a mop as his running mate and still win.
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I don't think you realize how much people, moveon members or otherwise, don't like/hate/despise/tolerate McCain.
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I'm not sure I follow what you are getting at, Edwin.
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It was a reply to Ulairi's post. From what I understand if McCain were to get a VP that is a "moderate social but a good fiscal con" he would get the same amount of people. I am saying that people don't like McCain so much that even if he did, those people wouldn't vote for him.
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McCain isn't polling that bad, and he is well liked by independent voters. Of Course the moveon types, and people with similar political beliefs as you will never like him. But, they won't like any republican. the only republicans they do like are ones they know nothing about. But, once they do, they start to dislike them to. Same would happen with Hagel.
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I would appreciate it if you wouldn't lob me into a group I do not belong to. You also know nothing of my voting record. Don't say what I am or am not. I was born and raised republican via my immediate family and was registered as such my entire life till this past December. Voted Ron Paul in the primaries.
I don't like McCain because, well sh*t you've seen everything I've posted in this thread and others. At least I hope you have. I have no idea what redeeming values he has today. I wasn't old enough to vote in the 2000 primaries for him (turned 18 in 2002) but I did what I could for his campaign.
I do the monthly liberty caucus and Miami-Dade GOP meetings as well as the democratic ones. I volunteered for both Ron Paul and John Edwards before he dropped out this year.
Point? Don't assume you know who or what groups I belong to.
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From what I can see, McCain's message appears to be, "I'm a Republican", and that's about all. People don't have very strong feelings about him because he doesn't actually say very much.
Heh, and a good chunk of what he DOES say is wrong, so maybe that's why.
It might actually be easier to report on what he gets right at this point.
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But what would a 24/7 news shop do for the other 167.9 hours in the week? Report actual news?
Edit: for those who don't know and/or don't want to do the math, a week has 168 hours in it. See what I did there?
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You forgot ads, kaos. That'll stretch it up to 100 hours, easy.
Many republicans already dislike McCain more than moveon types do, and him putting a democrat on the ticket won't help matters.
The chance of Obama putting a republican on the ticket given the situation with Clinton supporters seems extremely remote. You'd have to bet that he's willing to risk shooting himself in the groin at a time when he's still considered the front runner. Every Clinton support would happily run around talking about "betrayal" and demand that the convention delegates appoint Clinton in his place.
Half the people on this board alone went apesh*t over his vote on telecom immunity and promised to vote for other candidates. I don't see him getting a warm reception by appointing a republican to be the next in line to the presidency should anything happen to him.
There was more to his message but he kinda forgot it on the way to the podium.
Yeah, it seems like he's a pretty unpopular guy with little in the way of an advantage... Except Obama's lead over him keeps shrinking.
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There's so much room in this election for McCain to actually step up and be a leader... to be that "maverick" he used to be. There's a lot of room in the Republican party to be someone other than what Bush has been these past 8 years. Unfortunately, he comes off looking like someone who doesn't even believe in the message he's selling... his absolutely lack of charisma seems to perhaps stem from that. I dunno.
This, to me, is the most baffling aspect. In 2004, people were saying that Kerry was an "anyone but Bush" vote. I think McCain, right now, is an "anyone but Obama" vote.
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I would actually love to see Hagel as a VP. I'm a liberal, but I like him. He's more center than republican, and it'd bring nice balance to Obama's presidency. (Am I the only one looking at how it'd effect his term, rather than his electability?)
Also: I (lived?) in nebraska until recently, and there's been quite a bit of coverage of Hagel, and I like him quite a bit.
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Commence your hatred, gentlemen.Republicans prefer him to Obama because Obama is seen as a liberal. That doesn't mean that they'll support him if he adds a democrat to the ticket, particularly when there's a middling chance the guy will die in office or won't seek a second term.