Addictive Thinking
I decided on a whim to cut off caffeine nearly three weeks ago. I usually had one or two latte-type drinks a day for the last couple years. The first week was a total drag, but by the end of the second week I felt like a functional, normal human being again.
All this week I've been a little overworked, a little under-slept and generally broody, but I don't think it's been due to any lingering withdrawal symptoms. It's just a mood thing. Cut to early this morning, I had to drive Karla to the airport and I didn't sleep very well the night before. I decided to treat myself to a small latte from Starbucks (screw you, Starbucks naming conventions) and holy crap, it's like the veil has been lifted. I feel alert, focused and my mood has vastly improved. All seemingly from a small espresso drink.
I caught myself thinking "Damn, why did I stop drinking this?" which falls roughly in line with how most coffee drinkers responded when I told them I quit. That thought was quickly chased by another, more worrying one. "It's not the coffee doing the thinking or feeling, you idiot."
Most addictive thinking and behavior is due to the person giving all the power to something outside themselves - making cure potions out of coffee and booze. I caught myself giving all credit to the coffee, when all the coffee is doing is forcing open channels in the brain that function on their own just fine otherwise. It's compensating for poor behavior (in my case, not sleeping long enough) rather than giving me something I can't achieve on my own.
I think that's why I stopped in the first place. To flush it out of my system and see how far down the caffeine rabbit hole I'd truly gone. Given how affected I am by a single shot of espresso now, I can see more clearly what it means to get hooked on it. The withdrawal was brutal, jumping back on the coffee express was easy. It's going to be interesting to see how my body responds when I don't have any again tomorrow.
The question I'll leave with you is the same one I ask myself every day. To what do you owe your day to?
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I don't actually have any morning rituals. I don't drink coffee or tea.I also have never had a drop of alcohol.
Maybe games? I don't even play everyday though.
This question is a lot harder to answer then I thought it would be when I hit the reply button. I guess I don't have an answer.
I am in a love relationship with Coca-Cola, and last summer I decided to fast from pop completely. It was horrible. I used to drink it so much that my kids called me Coca-Cola Clasen. At 11:15 one of my kids would automatically go to my desk and get me a Coke to fend off irritable behavior that was sure to ensue by 11:30. (That is what public schools are really teaching your kids, btw.) I probably drank 2-3 a day, which is to say it was all I drank.
That summer was really difficult, and I think I only broke down a handful of times, but every time I did, I felt horrible by an hour or two after I had it. Not emotionally. I am cool with cheating. But I could feel my insides being eaten alive.
Now, I am happy to say that I am more like a normal person. I drink a Coke or two a week, and have very few ill effects. I can go for weeks without it, but I can also have one afterward without feeling that horrible stabbing in my gut. I think in the long run, it was worth it, although it has occurred to me on several shopping trips just how much cheaper it is to drink pop over juices and such (because who likes water?). I do like having more control over my life and not being a jerk just because I haven't had my caffeine fix for the day.
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Funny you should post this. I just came back from making a quick coffee run across the street because I was falling asleep in my office. I felt that I needed a quick hit of caffeine to get me through the afternoon.
I owe my day to a variety of things: proper nutrition, enough rest, exercise, and trying to successfully handle stress in my life. A few months back I was under an epic amount of stress due to personal factors in my life. I was constantly exhausted, had heart palpitations, and constant headaches. No matter how much rest I got, or coffee I drank, I was a wreck throughout the day. At best, the coffee I did drink seemed to take the edge off the exhaustion slightly and allow me to shuffle through the day.
Thankfully, the stress I experienced at that time went away. It took a few weeks for my head to get screwed on right again, but eventually I was making it through the day feeling alert and fine. My coffee consumption didn't change (only 2 in the morning), but I was feeling more alert and energetic. When the weekends rolled around, I was able to stay up well into the wee hours with my friends, instead of falling asleep before 12am.
I do believe in the added (temporary) energy boost coffee can give you. If I manage to grab only a few hours of sleep the night before, I find a few cups of coffee can jump start me in the morning and get me back on track. It is no substitute for a healthy, stress managed lifestyle though. My personal philosophy is that if you need multiple cups of coffee throughout the day to simply get through it, then you need to see what is really robbing you of your energy and address it, instead of relying on a temporary chemical stimulant.
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I am addicted to coffee. Less so now than I was before, but I still need about 2-3 6 oz cups throughout the morning. When I don't get any coffee for 24+ hours, I get withdrawal headaches, I get snuffly and feel sick, and I'm all around miserable. And worse: My creativity vanishes, and I can't focus at all. (I think I somewhat understand how rockstars on drugs must feel.) My job quite literally depends on me maintaining my coffee habit.
I've thought about quitting coffee, because it makes me nervous to have a chemical dependency, no matter how mainstream and accepted it is. But since I can't write worth a damn when I haven't had my coffee, I'd have to time my quitting right: Only in a slow month, or when I'm doing technical manuals or something. Maybe when I take that sabbatical to Siberia.
But you're absolutely right: Coffee is never so effective as when you've stopped drinking it for a few days. It's as if your body is rewarding you, which I assume is common to addiction. I can't imagine how hard it must be to quit smoking, where the chemicals involved have so much stronger a psychological pull.
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Friggin' Certis, Now all I can think about is a double expresso shot in a nice dark roast coffee...MMM.
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Fun stuff. Katerin the symptoms you describe are there under caffine addiction/dependance.
I get the opposite effect that E.Hunnie and Katerin get. I stopped drinking caffiene completely by accident. For five years, I drank a can of something caffeinated with lunch (usually Coke or Pepsi). One day I realized it was cheaper to buy two Adirondack six-packs than big-brand twelve packs. The Adirondack cola didn't have caffeine, but I didn't notice.
A month or two later, I went on vacation with The Missus to visit her mother. We stopped at a Roy Rogers, and I had a regular Coke. I spent the next three hours really twitchy and irritable. Everything pissed me off, and I felt like I needed to punch someone. I realized it was the caffeine. I was a victim of Mr. Coffee Nerves.
So I decided to consciously avoid caffein (chocolate excluded, because the quantities are so low it doesn't affect me). I have fewer headaches, and I'm considerably more mellow than I was. The only downside is I miss can no longer have an R/C cola with my Moon Pie, and on the occasion that I do get a migraine I can't take Exedrin because the caffeine in them makes my hands shake.
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I've pondered this question many times, both from the practical and health considerations, and from a more philosophical standpoint. What I'm about to write will probably go against most modern psychology, as well as most beliefs and science around addiction.
Firstly, I'm in a nearly identical boat as Certis. I have one or two cups of coffee a day. Sometimes a bit less, sometimes a bit more. But I'm not one of those 'my 20 ounce mug is constantly filled' kind of coffee drinkers. That said, I generally find that I function better with one or two cups than without. From a health perspective, there seem to be almost as many positive effects to drinking coffee as there are negative effects. The only notable side effect that ever truly concerns me is that coffee tends to give me cravings for junk food that I may not otherwise have. I try to mitigate this by being a typically very healthy eater, though, and my weight and physical health has never been of great concern.
In this way, being a regular coffee drinker doesn't bother me much.
Part 2 is that there is some aspect of me that does realize that the addiction and the effects are as much psychological as they are physical, and that relying too heavily on any external substance, or holding too rigidly to any kind of routine, can be as detrimental (if not moreso) than whatever physical effects may exist. By this I simply mean that if I 'think' I need coffee to perform well, that is almost worse than actually physically needing the coffee to perform well.
In this way, being a regular coffee drinker does bother me a little, and for this reason I periodically stop drinking caffeine for a few days or weeks, just to go through the experience of withdrawal and life without the influence.
Episode Three is this: for me, life is short, I live fully, healthfully and do the best I to give all I can each day. 'Show me a man without vice and I will show you a man without virtue.' In the grand scheme of life, my drinking one or two cups a day isn't going to sink the moon, but the positive effects that it DOES bring are tangible on a daily basis. One of the teachers I greatly admire has said that we all have 'kinks' (not sexy kinks, but non-normal) in the way that we live our lives. Some people are OCD and need a ritual. Some people need a certain amount of sleep. Some people need little sleep. And some people simply function better with the use of external chemicals such as caffeine, alcohol, or marijuana. If there is someone we know (including ourselves) who is somehow dependent on an external force to behave 'normally' or even 'better than normal', the ultimate question we must ask ourselves is this: is this person in some way 'better' - more open, more loving, more lucid, more relaxed, more confident, etc. etc. - while under the influence of this chemical or ritual? If so, and if this behavior doesn't in any way negatively impact others, or severely impact the physical well being of the individual (and even that is less important to me), who are we to say that it is 'bad'?
If I am more alert, more aware, more productive, more creative, and just a general better person to be around while under the influence of caffeine, who is anyone to tell me that it is 'bad' for me? It causes me no significant health-related side effects, it causes no other negative impact on anyone else around me...So why shouldn't I operate under the influence?
A moderate amount of caffeine, distributed evenly throughout the day, wratchets up your awareness beyond where you would be fully rested without any caffeine.
An espresso shot, or even a cup of coffee, is usually too much caffeine to be considered moderate, though. E Hunnie's original intake sounds just about right to garner the positive effects without the negative, but the acid and high fructose corn syrup is probably bad enough to warrant cutting back.
I've been on the lookout for something with caffeine in it at coke levels that isn't as bad for you as coke for a while now, without success. The only caffeinated water I've found tastes pretty awful. Has anyone give yerba mate a try?
So I guess today I owe my day to coke.
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The term is regulating. To use a crass example, Marijuana tolerance goes away after approximately 2 weeks.
I have friends who take a 2 week break every 2-3 months so as to loose a tolerance.
The same theory can be applied to caffeine. Reduce dependency by adding withdrawal periods hence magnifying the effect of the drug.
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Coffee and cigarettes here.
Normally, I'll only have two cups of coffee a day. The first one is to prevent me from walking into walls, or tripping while getting in and out of the shower and splitting my skull open. The second one is when I get to work, to keep me awake the first couple of hours.
The cigarettes are usually needed to deal with stress throughout the day. Mostly at work, but when I'm just sitting around not doing anything, watching TV or reading, the cravings tend to happen more often.
EDIT: I forgot to mention one thing. As soon as a beer touches my lips, the nicotine cravings go into overdrive. Hell, if I start thinking too hard about having a beer, that will set it off.
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I never used to drink coffee until a) I had kids and b) I had to start work at 7:00 am.
At this point, my choice is basically between going to sleep around 10:00 pm, which gives me maybe 1.5 hours of free time to hang out with my wife, write music, play games, etc after the kids go to bed, or going to sleep around 11:00-11:30 pm and drinking a few cups of coffee to get through the work day.
Typically I go with the second option, and mostly I'm cool with the trade off.
Where I get into trouble is when the coffee doesn't do it for me and I supplement with energy drinks.
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I have to get up at 5:30am every day in order to start the 2 hour commute to work. I used to play games a LOT more than I do now, but was getting seriously sleepy early into my work day. I never drink coffee, but had an energy drink addiction that served the same purpose. I was able to stop it pretty easily as I had no illusions that my sleepiness was more from my gaming til about midnight, and THEN going to bed. Now I end up getting to sleep around 9:30pm, right after I put my son to sleep.
You know what? I'm fine for most of the day now. Sometimes I'm beat by the time I get home, but that just helps me fall asleep easier.
The thing that suffered most is my game playing. That's what weekends are for, I suppose.
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I'm awake at 4.35 in the morning to leave for work. At that unholy hour a cup of coffee is essential for any alertness. At 7 am I have a special brew at work (a coffee shop) that is essentially a double short latte that kick-starts my day.
That is usually may last caffeine for the day, but I'll occasionally have a Coke with lunch.
I used to have about 4-5 cups of coffee and at least 2 cans of coke a day, but my sleep patterns were a wreck.
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I didn't drink coffee before I got promoted to team lead. Within a week we were on-site at a client and had to put in three 12 hour days. I've always had trouble sleeping and it's been worse since being in charge of our team. There was a brief period in December when I quit coffee after trying Ambien, but it ended up not being as effective as I would have liked. So I'm back to 1 cup of coffee (not espresso) in the morning because I still usually sleep like crap. I very much try to avoid more than 1 cup because, A) I get jittery, B) when I crash from a serious caffeine high, it's really bad.
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Have you tried tea? Black teas, on average, have about as much caffeine per bag as a can of Coke.
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I've been caffeine free for a year now. I started drinking coffee when I was 10 years old and from then on I was addicted. If I didn't have caffeine by mid-day everyday I would get terrible headaches. I decided that I had to give it up once I realized it was causing most of my panic attacks and raging bitch modes. It's one of the toughest things I've ever done but I'm glad I gave it up.
Now I just wish I could say the same about alcohol. That's something I've been dealing with ever since I was 14. Sometimes I'm able to keep it under control but when it gets out of control it get really bad. I just wish there were SOS meetings in my area. I refuse to try AA because of their religious BS. And yes, this is rather personal but if I don't talk about it how am I supposed to get through it?
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It even blows Mountain Dew out of the water.
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Simple, diet coke! I live on 4-5 Diet Coke Lime's per day.
Me too. I don't smoke anymore, and when I did a pack usually lasted a week. But go to a party in college and I could smoke the whole pack in one night. Generally now I only smoke at parties with a lot of drinking going on, like New Years. And if no one else is smoking I can keep it down to 1 or 2 and that's it, but the craving is definitely there.
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Chumpy, the soap isn't too bad. The Octane gel is better though. It's actually good for your skin (particularly awesome on sunburns). They used to have a caffienated hot sauce that was pretty awesome as a sauce not just for the jolt. Last year at PAX the guys who did HAZE were giving out these and some people got into trouble with them. One gal I know at five boxes of them in just a couple hours before she found out that guarana has a lot of the effects of caffiene. She was one sick puppy.
Caffiene and I have a love/hate relationship, like most addicts have with their monkey, I imagine.
For me it's complicated by several factors.
- My work schedule is usually awful, but right now it's frightening. I left work at 3am last night (the midnight showing of the Dark Knight was sold out or it would have been midnight). I was up again at 6:30.
- I am a single mom with four kids. This has become a lot better since they're almost grown. You wouldn't believe the nightmare the tweener ages were with trying to manage daycare and etc on top of everything else.
- I have medical issues that caffiene makes a lovely self-medicator for. I used to do a 12 shot espresso every morning and then I didn't have to take one of my asthma medications that had some really awful side effects. I've cut down a lot from that.
Combine all that with the general array of chaos that is my life and that's just the way it is. I know it's not necessarily healthy. But I don't have a way out. I have to take care of the kids and do it right. I have to have the job to take care of the kids. I have to make a living for all of us on my own and finding a job that doesn't have this sort of schedule and but is still stable and has benefits and I can make ends meet hasn't been feasible yet. My mom is my mom and being the only sane one in my family doesn't seem to be in danger of changing. Until someone makes some serious strides in cybernetics I'm stuck in this first gen shell.
So for now, I'll caffienate responsibly and get the rest of it done as I can.
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Fedaykin98 wrote:
I like how coffee tastes. But I'll usually make myself only one real shot a day and stick to decaf the rest of the time. Otherwise I don't sleep at all.
Nothin' like starting the day with a perfect 6oz cappuccino with that nice thin foam. Starbucks has set the coffee drink back decades with their retardly oversize and overfoamed monstrosities. But that's another rant.
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