My real estate nightmare
This is totally self-serving venting, but I am also curious if anyone has any good advice.
August, 2007 - I have a phone interview for a great job out of state. Torn about leaving my wonderful home & friends. Salary is an issue so they say they'll get back to me.
January, 2008 - Having written off the job, since I haven't heard back, I suddenly get an email that they got more money and want to talk again. Have another, even better phone interview. Arrange for an on-site interview, but can't schedule it until March. Wife is pregnant by now, and expecting our 3rd child in late May. Makes things complicated, but they agree that if I was offered the job, I wouldn't have to start until August.
March, 2008 - Have a great interview, love the job, wife and family are supportive. Accept an offer. Start in August. Hooray. Now the misery starts.
April - Interview realtors, do a market analysis, hire Realtor from the top rated local company, get assurances of a price at which our house will sell in our timeline. Wait. Since the wife is due to give birth in May, we decide to go house hunting BEFORE the baby is born, since we don't know how mobil we'll be in the summer. We find a house we like, put in a bid contingent on our selling our house by August 1st. The seller counter-offers and says she'll rent the place to us if we can't close by 8/1. Great! We go a bit higher on the price than we wanted because the peace of mind seems worth it. Our agent doesn't get the rental offer in writing.
May - One showing on our house in the first month. What's going on here? A few more showings in May, but nothing really I thought this was "priced correctly". Baby girl born in late May! Hooray!! Grudgingly decide to lower the price by $10k.
June - A few more showings, trying to juggle life with a newborn, a 4 and a 6 year old, while keeping the house clean and nice. Still nothing happening really. Decide it is time to contact the seller to work out rental details. Guess what? She has talked with her lawyer and changed her mind. No rental for you! Freak out for 15 minutes. Cool down and decide it'll be OK because we'll sell the house soon. Decide to lower the price another 10k. This is getting tight with our budget for buying the new house, but the Realtor assures us that at this price it'll sell "in a heartbeat".
July - We're getting more showings, but we still don't have a buyer. Nobody really has complaints about the house or price, we just don't seem to fit anyone's grand plan (i.e., "I want to have a stable but you're a few acres short of the zoning ordinance.", "We love the house but we're not buying until we get married next year", "You don't have a garage, and it says that in the listing, but we decided that once we made you clean the house and vacate with your family for 2 hours that we really did want a garage.")
After much deliberation we had to decide whether to all move to a rental house while we try to close things out, or, whether I should go by myself and rent a studio to start my job on a short-term basis. We decided I should go by myself. Either way it sucks, but at least this way my kids will have some semblance of stability even though I'll miss them to death (I'll come home on weekends).
Now we need to decide whether we back out on the house we really want (contract expires 8/1) and lower the price on our house even further to get it sold and put an end to all this, or, hold out and continue to pray for a sale at a price that lets us afford the house we're hoping to buy. Either way, this leaves me with a rent, a mortgage, a wife home alone with 3 kids who I will barely see, and a baby girl who is changing every day and I'll be too absent/stressed to appreciate as much as I should.
I suspect that this kind of experience is more common than I think for someone trying to make a transition, but having never sold a house (and certainly not with a newborn), it just feels like utter hell right now. Thanks for allowing me an emo moment to vent.
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I feel your pain. I decided last fall that I wanted to move to a smaller place, so I put my house on the market on Friday. Cue the drums... the whole crash thing happened two days later (the following Monday).
There is so much stress just having a property on the market now. Since I was only planning on moving to another part of town and don't actually need to sell it, I took my house off the market at the end of May. Like you I saw plenty of traffic through the house with no one able to say what was wrong.
I can only imagine trying to keep a house with 3 kids clean enough for showings and dealing with the questions surrounding your move.
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Wow... i hope things look up for you soon!
My mum had to drop the asking price by £40,000 to get the people who were umming and arring over the decision. Luckily, the market is so flat right now that the house they want to buy has dropped by £30,000.... it's not ideal but considering the market, not bad either.
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I'm on the other end of the fork. We've had our offer accepted, now just petrified that rates will go through the roof before we can sign the note. We felt very good about the offer and all the numbers and then the next freaking day I get up and read about possible bail-outs for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. C'mon rates, just stay stable for one more week...
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My .02.
Back out of your contract now. It could take a lot longer to sell your house than you think, and you could back yourself into a serious financial corner.
It's a buyer's market, there will be plenty of houses to choose from, with plenty of motivated sellers when you're ready. I'd be surprised if the house you want isn't still available a couple of months from now, probably for less than you were going to pay.
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Sounds very familiar. I accepted a new position out of town in April of this year. Our house needed some updating, so I put in about 4 weeks of hard labor to finish rennovations in our kitchen and master bathroom, with the hope that it would sell quicker.
I moved down to New Orleans at the end of May, right after putting the house on the market. I got a one-bedroom apartment down here, with the idea that we could ride it out in the apartment until our house sells. The house has had a few showings, but no one seems interested in buying. We've recently dropped the price $5k, but haven't had any showings in the past 2 weeks.
Our realtor has some family issues right now and has been out of town a lot. I don't think she's holding up her end of things, but our contract with her won't expire for another 4 months. I'm about to talk with her to see if there's any way out of the contract. We can't sell the house if no one is coming by to look at it, and it's her job to get people in there, and that's not happening right now.
We're really concerned about having to carry the house for longer than we were planning on. A few more months of rent + house note is going to make things very tough. To top it all off, we're heading into the down season. I'll probably make another price drop soon, and we'll probably end up losing money on the house sale (we'll cover the mortgage amount, but lose some of the money we've put in in rennovations.).
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I agree with the advice to not commit to the new house until you get the old one sold, even if it means not getting the new house. There are so many houses out there right now it's unbelievable.
Also quit dropping the price. Every realtor always says drop the price every time their client pressures them to get the ball moving. If potential buyers see the price dropping all the time, they'll keep expecting it to drop. And that's b.s. - you know your house is worth what you're asking for it. Plus you know that in this market you'll get a lowball offer when you do get one anyway.
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I'm actually with you on this. I don't know what it is, but when buyers see a number of price reductions, they assume that it is a downward trend and pretty soon they'll get the house for free. It is what economists call "sale seeking behavior". I don't know if this will work at all, but try making a minor improvement and actually *raise* the price a bit. It's counterintuitive, but might actually bring a couple extra eyeballs.
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I actually know someone that did this and it worked.
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Remember your realtor doesn't care what price you get for your house.
They're in the volume business. A seller gets 1-3%. On the high side, 3% is 300$ for each 10,000. On a house selling for 250K, the realtor will get 7500. If it doesn't sell, they don't get 7500. But, should they convince you to drop 40K off, they're still netting 6300. They give up much less than you do. With 1% realtors, their incentive to sell at a lower price is even stronger. Especially since you'll likely get a different one should it not sell.
Don't be afraid to swap when the time is up. We did, and our house sold in 3 weeks with the new one. It was impossible to get a new realtor that was worst than our first.
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Thanks for all the advice! It all seems pretty sound. Sometimes you get so close to this stuff that it is hard to find the logical perspective.
Two updates: one is that our Realtor agrees about dropping the price - she doesn't think it is a good idea to drop it any more. The other is that we got a list of very specific questions from someone who looked at the house, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll come back for a second showing.
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Hang in there man! When we moved up to Canada, we had to sell out our old condo, and it came right down to the wire. We were absolutely positive that we were going to have to carry two places, but then, three weeks before we were scheduled to move, somebody popped out of the woodwork, bang bang bang and done.
Well, maybe it was little more drawn out than that (stupid repairs), but the point is that it went through. =) It sounds like the best thing you can do is look for a new agent. If yours has so much on her plate that she can't even deal with showing your house, she may be glad to not have to stress about it any more.
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I'm not so sure I agree here, depending on the area. Here in Massachusetts house prices are so disconnected from fundamentals it's not even funny-- the seller of a 2 bedroom fixer-upper in a flood zone claims to be "motivated," yet still asks in excess of $300k for the house. Sellers around here have been reluctant to lower their prices because the realtors who write for the newspapers keep selling the line that the market has bottomed when it's actually got years to go.
That said, I don't know where you're selling, what the median house price for your area is, or what percentage of a reduction in the price $20k is. Assuming it's a three bedroom, knocking $20k off of $200k is a huge reduction and you probable shouldn't lower it further. For the same house, if you were asking $500k, $20k off of that is still on the steep side and you could probably come down further. Just my opinion.
I wish you luck in selling. Other commenters are right-- it's starting to look like a buyer's market right now, because all the speculators and ARM suckers ran the prices up too high and now the market has to correct. Hopefully, you're in an area that wasn't too inflated.
EDIT: Fixed. Sorry.
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I was looking around my area on Zillow.com yesterday (a fun little real estate search if you're not aware of it) and there was a 3 bed, 1.5 bath house that sold in 2006 for just over $200,000 and the asking price today is $350,000. Looking at the pictures of the house, they obviously didn't do any major remodeling (old, ugly kitchen and bathrooms, underwhelming exterior). In a time where the market was almost completely stagnant in this area, you are not going to get almost 200% of what you paid for the house 2 years ago.
I don't know what these people are thinking, especially when there's a nicer house less than 2 blocks away for $100,000 less.
Edit: The other thing that pissed me off was seeing $800,000 to $2,000,000 houses in neighborhoods full of $200,000 to $350,000 houses. Good luck selling that monstrosity now.
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A side note: if you're ever a coworker or friends with someone in this situation, please for the love of all that is good and holy refrain from asking them every.f*ing.day... "Didja sell your house yet?"
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hehe! I love this housing market.. but I am a buyer. Good luck on the sell and the move! Could you not call up your realtor and scream at them for breach of contract? Then let her go?
All salesmen are scum of the earth! It is the worst part about purchasing a house is dealing with Realtors.
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I expect you're right. I frequent the Boston Globe's real estate weblog just so I'm up on the daily lies from the people who keep telling me "it's a great time to buy!"
I'm not planning on buying a house in Massachusetts-- the Missus and I are planning on moving out of state once we get a down payment together-- but that weblog gives you a good feel for what not to believe (one of the contributors is a self described "buyer's agent") in general.
Oh, and I meant to say "buyer's market" before. Oops.
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Any luck today?
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You know it figures that I would be living in one of the few places in the country that has a very stable even growing real estate market. So when I'm looking for a house, I can't find a decent deal out there while outside my area there are very nice houses priced as low as 15% lower than their initial pricing. My dumb luck to have houses here priced higher than they are actually worth. Grrrr. (College Station, TX)
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I hate to say it but I too agree you should probably back out of the other house. I dont think the market is going to get any better anytime soon.
Let me share my little story....
Dec 06
After finally getting out of a horrible financial hole we had been in for nearly 5 years I finally pay off the last of my debt. At the same time I decide that now is the time to buy a house. Since I hate city living I decide that I can handle a hour and :15 communte one way every day. At first it seems like a good idea. I can get much more house for less money and pay much less in taxes. I find a 100 year old home that has eye poping wood work all through the home. Its is in stunning physical shape but needs some basic work to make it back into a house. (A DR was using it as his practice). The negotations go well and I end up walking into the home with 20K in equity. Plus I ended up paying about 50% less than I would have had I purchased in the city.
Jan 07
My wifes business collapses (although I wont know it for sure for another 10 months), My wife finds out she is pregant. My Heating bill is averaging 250-450 a month, my orginial budget was only for 150. Average power bill is 175 which is 50 over budget. All told my bills are 300 overbudget. (which wipes out all my available income)
June 07
The city has my home listed incorecctly and it doubles my taxes. This wont be resolved until 2008. I am informed by my insurance agent that since my credit score has lowered they are now doubling my insurance. Gas prices are now about twice what I had orginally budgeted when we had started to plan on moving. I get a new boss at work who is tasked with reducing costs, our first meeting doesnt go well.
Sept 07
My first child is born, at the same time my employer has decided that 8 years is enough time for me and begins to pressure me to quit. I am under so much stress that the birth of my child is hard to enjoy for both me and my wife. At this point its becoming very clear my wifes business has failed and we are going to have to close it. Now I am down to one income and that job is doing everything to get me to quit. We are now spending 500-1000 overbudget and my savings is dissapearing faster than you can say charge card.
Oct 07
Now unable to make ends meet I am now choosing wheither or not I pay for formula\food or pay the mortgage. A good friend decides to help out and moves in and pays rent to help with our nightmare. At this point I am operating at -450 a month in my budget, my savings are completly gone and I am living on the kindness of my inlaws. Since I only watch 3 shows total we decide to remove TV completly to reduce the budget. This gets me a little closer to even.
Dec 07
Not a very merry christmas, but thanks to the kindess of others we are warm and still in our home. My employer is still doing all it can to get me to quit, and my stress is effecting my health. At my annual review they dont even bother to tell me I am not getting a raise, I find out when I get my next check. I have spent time in the hospital and frankly spent more than a few days just wishing I had never been born.
Jan 08
Finally things begin to turn around, The city adjusts my taxes (after they had refused earlier) and cut them in half. We recive a tax return that helps me keep the house another couple of months. Money just seems to be finding me, I get checks in the mail for things I have forgotten about or in some cases dont know about at all. No doubt someone is watching over me.
Feb 08
I cant stand it any longer, after securing a temp job I walk out of the employer I had worked for for 8 years with no notice. Both me and my former employer are happy as larks. It was the first week of vacation I had in goodness knows how long. The new job is a dream come true and promises to bring me on full time in a couple of months. My stress levels finally come down and I begin to enjoy life again. Other bills get more in control and my utl bills are more managable now. All told I am now getting closer to break even again. I am able to find some ways to reduce even further our bills and bring down my budget further. I cant say enough about my new job, its first class all the way.
June 08
New job hires me at a better rate than I made before, also I love the job. Gas prices are still increasing now at 4.00 a gallion. When we first budgeted for Gas I had put down 1.95 as the price. (Man I miss those days) Current gas prices being what they are cause me to go below budget again, but I have been told I can do a 4 day work week which will cut my gas bills by 80 a month.
Today
Things are looking up, my mortgage which is set to "reset" in January told me they will extend it 5 years. Also my friend is still boarding with us so as of today we are just about even.
Wow. Sorry to hear your story, which sounds more stressful than mine.
We did decide to let our contract expire on the house we want to buy. It just isn't worth getting in a position where we have to turn down a decent offer on our house just to be able to afford the house we're locked into. Especially now that we'll be living apart temporarily, so the pressure will be on.
On the other hand, if we do get a decent price on our house eventually, maybe we'll make another offer on the house we like and see if the seller bites.
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It sounds like its for the best. Being the buyer means you have the power on that end at least. You also might want to check out another agent. You might find a better agent more able to handle the sale.
Nah its not about being worse or better, some times these things just go way wrong. Mostly I told the story so you would know your not the only one and its not just you. Frankly my story isnt that bad. I didnt lose the house, my marriage is rock solid and my child is healthy and so full of joy he nearly bursts. Frankly i feel blessed. I have heard of some real heart braking stories of folks that lost everthing.
I just had a 2nd viewing on my place. It's been on the market here in Ottawa for the last month and a half. If this doesn't turn into a buyer I'm gonna be stuck with it another year. It's too expensive for me to live here with no tenants, and after getting robbed by a tenant last month before he took off to who-knows-where, I'm just not ready to live with other people again.
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You're smart to have had that clause in your buying contract, and to let it expire. We watch a lot of real estate shows, and cringe every time we see a homeowner who bought a new house because they thought that their old house would sell quickly. Two mortgages = 2 foreclosures in short order for people without a ton of savings. It's just not worth the risk.
Unless the asking price is unrealistically high (and yours must be very solid if your agent isn't recommending lowering it), it definitely pays to stick to your guns and keep your house until you can get a decent price for it. More than once we've seen a buyer swoop in out of the blue six months after the house was listed and decide it's the most perfect place ever. Good luck!
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