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CNN did a little street sketch on what people are giving up in order to keep buying gas. Stopping smoking, check. Buying used clothing, check. Giving up your health insurance, check. Wait, what? It's amusing, but I think it points to the fact that at least for some people, health insurance is a luxury, not a priority.

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Health insurance is definitely a luxury. In NY, it's expensive to buy when it's not part of some company benefits package, and when you're healthy, you have to be in the hospital before health insurance does anything for you. (Plus, there are free clinics where you can get the same meds and services for cheap.) If you have no chronic health conditions, and you're willing to take the risk of being uninsured in catastrophe (which many people are), then it totally makes sense to forgo health insurance for yourself when you're in a money crunch. I've done it, and I'd say about half my friends, ages 27-35 (even some with kids) simply don't have the disposable income to dedicate to health insurance for themselves.

Gas has taken a chunk out of my monthly expenses, but luckily it hasn't impacted my business too much. Most of my clients are within a 10 mile radius, so I don't have to travel too far. But I have started telling people 20 miles+ away that I'd rather discuss their projects over the phone instead of in person.

Personally, the rising cost of gas has forced my fiance and I to reevaluate how much we spend on things like going out to eat, buying new clothes, buying new games, etc. We still spend money in these areas, but not as much. Which in some ways is really good. For example: we've stopped buying so much stuff we never use; I've dropped a few pounds from not eating out as much; and we've even started going through our "stack" of really good games we never got around to playing. FFXII is awesome!

I'm just glad we don't have kids. This must be a trying time for parents.

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I'm just sick of the CNN articles about how the borderline rich are suffering so much due to gas prices. Selling the SUV to gas up the Lexus, switching from Starbucks to Dunkin Donuts, actually buying things that are *GASP* on sale. Cry me a river.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
I'm just sick of the CNN articles about how the borderline rich are suffering so much due to gas prices. Selling the SUV to gas up the Lexus, switching from Starbucks to Dunkin Donuts, actually buying things that are *GASP* on sale. Cry me a river.

Agreed. Though I'd also add to that list of folks I'm sick to death of are the folks I constantly see on the news gassing up their GMC Leviathans while complaining about "oil speculators". Take some personal responsibility already.

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I'm just sick of the CNN articles about how the borderline rich are suffering so much due to gas prices. Selling the SUV to gas up the Lexus, switching from Starbucks to Dunkin Donuts, actually buying things that are *GASP* on sale. Cry me a river.

Agreed. Though I'd also add to that list of folks I'm sick to death of are the folks I constantly see on the news gassing up their GMC Leviathans while complaining about "oil speculators". Take some personal responsibility already.

That reminds me, the other day I was at this little mom & pop gas station and this woman in a huge SUV was in front of me. I couldn't hear very clearly but I think the guy said her bill was $134. She handed him $4. Four singles. Of this I am sure. So the guy counts it a few times and clarifies to her that it is more than $4, and she appears to hand him two fifties, which would be (together, class) $104. Before he can even count it and verify that it's the proper amount, she takes off. The poor guy must've counted that wad 10 times, as if absolutely certain that he didn't just get ripped off, and he must be missing something.

I guess it's not as uncommon as I'd like to think but it kind of hurts the soul, y'know? Here's a little gas station that still has full service, still takes cash at the pump, and some soccer mom has to "save" a little by ripping them off. They've already got the Mobil and the Shell just down the street to contend with. Pisses me off.

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That reminds me, the other day I was at this little mom & pop gas station and this woman in a huge SUV was in front of me. I couldn't hear very clearly but I think the guy said her bill was $134. She handed him $4. Four singles. Of this I am sure. So the guy counts it a few times and clarifies to her that it is more than $4, and she appears to hand him two fifties, which would be (together, class) $104. Before he can even count it and verify that it's the proper amount, she takes off. The poor guy must've counted that wad 10 times, as if absolutely certain that he didn't just get ripped off, and he must be missing something.

I guess it's not as uncommon as I'd like to think but it kind of hurts the soul, y'know? Here's a little gas station that still has full service, still takes cash at the pump, and some soccer mom has to "save" a little by ripping them off. They've already got the Mobil and the Shell just down the street to contend with. Pisses me off.

Yup. A bunch of entitled, spoiled rat bastards.

An economist friend told me this joke. It's a bit dry, but really gets the point across.

Three gas station owners found themselves in the same jail cell. After introductions, they decided to tell their stories.

The first said he sold gas for one penny above the average price per gallon. For this, the outraged citizens of his neighborhood beat him and hauled him to jail for price gouging.

The second said that he sold gas for one penny under the average price per gallon. For this, he was hauled away by the gas company for flooding the market.

The third said that he sold gas for precisely the price the market dictated and for this, he was brought in front of Congress for price fixing.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
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By the way, is the date set for your and DS's ceremony yet?

November 15th. We've got a date, a place, and a dress. That's about it.

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Get a minister/rabbi/preacher/priest and rings, and you're all set.

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Get a minister/rabbi/preacher/priest and rings, and you're all set.

You know not of what you speak. You are never "all set". Never.

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Petrol here is now £1.18/l, and diesel £1.31.9/l. My car (a 2l diesel Ford Mondeo) has been in the shop for 2 weeks now, for a 3 day repair job. I get 48 mpg, and travel 90 miles a day, with that car, so I'm putting about £60 a week in diesel now.

The hire car I'm in is a 1.6l petrol Vauxhall Astra. It's a metal roof convertible. It costs me £15 a day to get to work as it is so heavy. I have had to cut down my spending on everything since fuel went over £1/l; it took years to get past that threshold, and then leapt the rest of the way without any pause. My salary is now worth so much less than it was when i took the job; cost oi living increases are a joke.

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I just got off the phone with one of my customers who mentioned that he filled up his tank (in an Audi A4) in Germany last week and paid more for a tank of gas than he had ever done in his life. I think the final pricetag was about $160 after the conversion.

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Which all goes to expose how thin is the patina of our much ballihooed "standard of living".

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Get a minister/rabbi/preacher/priest and rings, and you're all set.

You know not of what you speak. You are never "all set". Never.

Bleh, it all depends on how much you let it get out of control.

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I just got off the phone with one of my customers who mentioned that he filled up his tank (in an Audi A4) in Germany last week and paid more for a tank of gas than he had ever done in his life. I think the final pricetag was about $160 after the conversion.

It's about 1.60€ per liter = $9.30 per gallon at the current exchange rates.

edit: Okay, those are old numbers. It's about 1.54€ at the moment since it got cheaper last week.

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I just got off the phone with one of my customers who mentioned that he filled up his tank (in an Audi A4) in Germany last week and paid more for a tank of gas than he had ever done in his life. I think the final pricetag was about $160 after the conversion.

It's about 1.60€ per liter = $9.30 per gallon at the current exchange rates.

edit: Okay, those are old numbers. It's about 1.54€ at the moment since it got cheaper last week.

Is there, like, a thriving donkey cart taxi business in Germany or something?

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November 15th. We've got a date, a place, and a dress. That's about it.

Send pics; we all wonder how DS is gonna look in the dress.

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It really is a weird time. My wife and I make a decent income, no kids. We should be doing great. Except our food and eating out bill has practically doubled. So we've done a lot of the same things. Buy less food, eat out less, rent movies instead of going out. We're trying to make sure we can keep paying for our priorities like Triathlon training, physical fitness stuff in general, but it's definitely changed the way we do things across the board. And we don't drive much. We both bike/take the light rail to work usually. So we pay TONS less in gas than the average person. But even then just the cost of stuff and going out has gone up so much that we're cutting back.

Last night we did our nightly ritual of going out to our favorite restaurant to play board games at and we shared a sandwich. Then we went home and finished eating dinner out of the stuff we'd purchased from Costco. Dinner was $14 with tip. No glass of wine for me any longer. Breakfast on Saturday after my triathlon was $12 total. Once again, splitting meals. We then rented Fight Club with a free coupon as Saturday night entertainment. In the past a typical weekend for us would have been a $25 breakfast with some wasted food, followed by a $16 movie, then a $30 dinner on Sunday night.

I often wonder what kind of ripple effect this is having through the economy with everyone seemingly making similar cutbacks. It has to, over the long term, cause even more buckling throughout the economy.

And like Kat I'm finding myself more often appreciating the games I already have and losing weight. It doesn't hurt that I'm tri training, but cutting out unnecessary food means for money reasons as well has me about 15lbs. down from March.

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November 15th. We've got a date, a place, and a dress. That's about it.

Send pics; we all wonder how DS is gonna look in the dress.

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Oh, well played! You are teh Mistrezz.

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Paleocon wrote:
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I just got off the phone with one of my customers who mentioned that he filled up his tank (in an Audi A4) in Germany last week and paid more for a tank of gas than he had ever done in his life. I think the final pricetag was about $160 after the conversion.

It's about 1.60€ per liter = $9.30 per gallon at the current exchange rates.

edit: Okay, those are old numbers. It's about 1.54€ at the moment since it got cheaper last week.

Is there, like, a thriving donkey cart taxi business in Germany or something?

You have to remember that taxis tend to be diesel and get far better mileage compared to US cars. On top of that taxi will at most have a 1.6l engine. While the price of petrol has risen it really has only impacted certain businesses such as haulage (long term contracts are screwing them) and fishing (which was on a knife edge to begin with). I happened to be chatting to a taxi driver while we where getting our NCT (MOT in Britain not sure in the US) as he said to me that the rise in fuel was around an extra €20 a week compared to last year. Its wasn't great but it is hardly a deal breaker.

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yeah, but now Diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline in the US.

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A lot of NGO reps I've talked to lately have been hit really hard with rising fuel costs, most of them skate by normally, and with air fuel going up and basic transportation costs increasing, their cutting down their movements, opting for larger one time transports of supplies.

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I often wonder what kind of ripple effect this is having through the economy with everyone seemingly making similar cutbacks. It has to, over the long term, cause even more buckling throughout the economy.

All those hipsters are going to have to start looking for real jobs as their boutiques and coffee shops cut costs.

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I often wonder what kind of ripple effect this is having through the economy with everyone seemingly making similar cutbacks. It has to, over the long term, cause even more buckling throughout the economy.

All those hipsters are going to have to start looking for real jobs as their boutiques and coffee shops cut costs.

Are there going to be real jobs for them to get?

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I often wonder what kind of ripple effect this is having through the economy with everyone seemingly making similar cutbacks. It has to, over the long term, cause even more buckling throughout the economy.

All those hipsters are going to have to start looking for real jobs as their boutiques and coffee shops cut costs.

Are there going to be real jobs for them to get?

I can't imagine someone with a large collection of ironic 80's Cartoon T-shirts actually taking up a position as an landscaper or somesuch.

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It's all the summer heat, it hets them goodgers up but good.

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Robear wrote:
yeah, but now Diesel fuel is more expensive than gasoline in the US.

Indeed. Its more expensive than petrol here as well. My point really was that the running cost for cars in Europe are high and have been for decades. There are two levels of taxation on fuel, VAT and a levy. VAT is added to everything but the levy is a fixed charge on every litre. The idea behind was to artificially raise the price of petrol and diesel to change peoples habits after the 70's. That meant effecting buying decisions and modes of transport by keeping the cost of driving high.

While Paleocon's anecdote about the German filling a car with $160 seems high, I willing to bet that the cost of filling his tank has risen by about 20-30% in the last year. Contrast that with the increases the average American is seeing (400%?) and we Europeans have little to complain about.

Edit: Swapped the € for the $ there. Didn't want to give someone a mild stroke.

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