First Gitmo review crushes the government's evidence
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008 - 6:33am
The first judicial review of the evidence against a Guantanamo detainee crushes the evidence presented by the U.S. government.
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With some derision for the Bush administration’s arguments, a three-judge panel said the government contended that its accusations against the detainee should be accepted as true because they had been repeated in at least three secret documents.
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The court compared that to the absurd declaration of a character in the Lewis Carroll poem “The Hunting of the Snark”: “I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true.”
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American officials have said that they cannot return Mr. Parhat and 16 other Uighur detainees at Guantánamo to China for fear of mistreatment and that some 100 other countries have refused to accept them.
So, uh ... the current argument for imprisoning this man is "we're keeping him because no one else wants him"? It's shameful.
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Devils advocate for a moment: If the detainees don't want to go to China ( I don't know if the mistreatment thing is us or them) and no other countries want to accept them, the US is sorta screwed, at least for the moment. They can't turn around and release into the US, that would be a political nightmare
They won't send them to China for fear of mistreatment? What the f*ck is China going to do to these people that we haven't already? How do you get more mistreated than being locked up and tortured for years?
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Distinctly different types of torture. America has to try and say their torture isn't torture, China goes balls out with its torture.
I will agree with you there.
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They just don't want to admit fault by letting them go -- ever.
The right thing to do would be to set them up properly here in the US. I don't expect that to happen, but that would be the ethically correct way to handle it.
When Stalin gave up ghost in 1953, millions of GULAG prisoners (incarcerated on political charges and otherwise) were released pursuant to a blanket amnesty. A significant share of them, after years if not decades in subhuman conditions, degraded into jailbeasts with the only skills intact being those of survival. When released into the general population, they predictably initiated "The Cold Summer" crime wave.
Old-guard bolsheviks and Dzerzhinksy-period CheKa & NKVD law enforcement functionaries bemoaned the rise in crime, making an argument that some people should have been kept in GULAGS until they died for everyone good (without significan difference to themselves or the law-abiding citizenry), and some very much deserved being put there, after all.
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I propose that any detainee who is found to be held without cause gets to sleep on Dick Cheney's couch.
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Hanging out with Dick Cheney may or may not be safer then prison.
I don't think any of the Gitmo detainees are Texas quail hunting lawyers though.
There is only an up or down--up to a man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order--or down to the ant heap totalitarianism,... those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.
I thought America believed in universal freedom. Least we could do is let them make that choice for themselves.
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How about we give them a choice, stay in our jail, or go back to China?
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But if the prisoners don't want to go to China, and no other country will take them, thats a problem now isn't it.
How about we compensate the ones we had no evidence for, give them a place to live, and monitor them? This isn't the Mariel Boatlift. Some of them would probably be useful in certain national security contexts - again, if they were wrongly picked up.
Sure, it's expensive. But so is destroying the national reputation.
Extremism in the defense of liberty *is* a vice. It has been since the first Crown Loyalist was tarred, feathered and set afire, and it's no better now. It corrupts first the individual, then ultimately the institution it defends.
I'm all for that, but when I say it, people think I'm doomsdaybent neoconnazi
It's certainly wrong to keep them in jail forever because we screwed up and threw them in jail.
It is a problem, but I don't see how the solution is, "keep them detained in a prison camp indefinitely."
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