Bottled water: Monumental waste of money

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Saw this article this morning and wondered how much folks spend on this:

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There is abundant irony in such marketing: The supply of clean drinking water across America and in many other countries is an underappreciated scientific and technological achievement that in many ways rivals putting a man on the moon. Trillions of dollars have been spent to get clean drinking water to people at virtually no cost -- and it is people in precisely these countries who seem willing to pay premiums of 1,000 percent to 10,000 percent for bottled water.

As the wealthiest billion people on the planet increasingly turn to bottled water, moreover, the poorest billion have no little or access to clean water.

On its face, the bottled-water trade makes selling snow to Eskimos sound like a reasonable business proposition: Tons of carbon dioxide is emitted into the atmosphere each year to produce and transport a product thousands of miles from Place A to Place B, when an identical product is already available in Place B in a form that is typically much cheaper, rigorously tested and sometimes safer. And afterward, millions of plastic bottles end up in landfills.

A considerable volume of the bottled water that Americans buy each year, moreover, is tap water. Popular brands such as Aquafina and Dasani, for example, may feature mountain peaks and the word "pure" on their labels, but the products are actually tap water that has been put through additional filtration and purification -- techniques aimed at making water that is already clean . . . clean.

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I get flack from some people for picking up cases of the local supermarket's bottled water and drinking that at my place. The problem is that the water that comes from the tap in my apartment is unbelievably hard and tastes horrible. I cannot even use the water for cooking (boiling pasta, rice, etc.) due to the taste it leaves on the food. I have to use filtered water for perking coffee and cooking. I drink bottled water simply because I don't want to spend a small fortune on filters over the course of the summer.

Additionally, when I am out and need to get a drink, I'll pick up a bottle of water from the convenience store/gas station since I don't really want to go into the public restroom and fill up a bottle I am carrying around from the tap.

While I do get the argument people are making about bottled water, sometimes it is more convenient to have a few bottles of it around.

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My wife spends a small fortune on the stuff and keeps cases of it around despite the fact that we have some of the most drinkable water in the country/world. She even complained that it was hurting her back to bring the cases upstairs to the kitchen.

My argument that Brita filters are both cheaper and lighter has fallen on deaf ears.

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here's another article I ran cross a while ago about bottled water This sort of thing makes me angry when I sit here and drink water from the tap at work all day and see a few of my co-workers going through cases upon cases like what we have available is not worthy. But I don't blame some people for going w/ bottled water where the water tastes like dirt. There is a town that I travel through on some regular trips and I've ended up at restaurants w/ what tasted like a mouthful of mud on multiple occasions, and each time I say to myself, I've learned my lesson. I always forget and end up back where I started.

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There are parts of the country with poor tasting water. It was terrible in Phoenix when I lived there, but there was an entire cottage industry of water filtration stores where you brought in your big multi-gallon bottles of drinking water to fill once or twice a week to get drinking water. It wasn't all that expensive.

I use my own well now, but my son still feels the need to hit the pile of Aquafina or whatever bottles at every chance. It's American marketing genius.

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Water that is "clean" is not necessary "tasty". Federal requirements that define the acceptable thresholds of impurities still allow for way too much stuff that simply makes water A. unpleasant to drink B. too hard. Too much chlorine, too much calcium and magnesium.

My advice to anyone who buys bottled water would be to install a Reverse Osmosis system in their kitchen. They've become really affordable these days. A GE or a Whirlpool model can be bought for less than $200 at a Home Depo or Lowe's, respectively. They're fairly straightforward to install, and cost about $100 per year to operate (cost of replacement filters). As opposed to bottled water, you won't have to buy jugs or bottles of water every week, have to dedicate storage space for them in your kitchen, and then recycle them when they're empty. As opposed to tap water -- you will enjoy markedly tastier water, better-tasting meals, and your kettle and coffeemaker won't ever need descaling anymore.

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I drink from the water cooler at work because the local water has repeatedly come back with carcinogens in it (there's a lot of industry in this town). And I used to buy bottled water in college (one liter bottles) because the local water in that town had to be at least 50% chlorine, judging from the taste.

At home, though, only from the tap. Those are the only places I drink water, too. The only thing I buy in bottles anymore are soft drinks, as 99.9% of the time, those are just concentrates shipped to local bottling companies that mix it with local water and sell it. They can't do that with bottled water, though.

I wish companies could be prohibited from selling it.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Water that is "clean" is not necessary "tasty". Federal requirements that define the acceptable thresholds of impurities still allow for way too much stuff that simply makes water A. unpleasant to drink B. too hard. Too much chlorine, too much calcium and magnesium.

My advice to anyone who buys bottled water would be to install a Reverse Osmosis system in their kitchen. They've become really affordable these days. A GE or a Whirlpool model can be bought for less than $200 at a Home Depo or Lowe's, respectively. They're fairly straightforward to install, and cost about $100 per year to operate (cost of replacement filters). As opposed to bottled water, you won't have to buy jugs or bottles of water every week, have to dedicate storage space for them in your kitchen, and then recycle them when they're empty. As opposed to tap water -- you will enjoy markedly tastier water, better-tasting meals, and your kettle and coffeemaker won't ever need descaling anymore.

I wonder about this. NYC (where I presume you live) has a reputation for having some of the best tasting water in the world.

I recall an episode of Bullsh*t devoted to debunking bottled water in which the crew fooled a restaurant full of folks by telling them that different orders of water came from exotic places when, in reality, they all came from the same garden hose behind the dumpster. I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks that complain about the taste of the water they drink would have a hard time differentiating between refrigerated tap water and bottled.

edit: doh! too slow.

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I generally find that bottled water tastes like stale plastic. I'm not sure where the arguments for taste come from. It's handy to have for trips, etc., but I find the overwhelming volume of discarded bottles to be pretty alarming.

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Yes, in NYC, the tap water is excellent. It comes mainly from sources in Catskill Mountains, and is indeed very clean and actually tasty enough to pass for an upmarket bottled variety.

I live in North NJ, however, where water is less than ideal. Altough not overtreated with chlorine, with no turbidity, clean of pesticides runoff and industrial crap, it is nevertheless massively hard. A reverse-osmosis system takes care of that for drinking/cooking purposes. But the effect of excess calcium carbonate can be felt when showering, as well as cleaning up (ie water spots on silverware and glasses). It doesn't help the expected life and efficiency of the house appliances either.

I actually keep meaning to install a whole house softener, but I'll have to relocate the boiler and upgrade venting, so the overall cost of the project has deterred me so far.

Paleo, get this Whirlpool RO system. See if you can install it (enough space under your kitchen sink, a free faucet hole in the basin or a place to drill a hole in the countertop for the filtered water faucet, and some basic plumbing skills to install the new faucet and replace the drain tailpiece). Your missus will be very pleased.

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If the water in your tap tastes like crap, then I don't hold drinking bottled water against you (some people fall into this category). In our house, we drink tap water (from the fridge dispenser) and only keep a supply of bottled water on hand for convienance (need to goto Thai Boxing, grab a bottle and run). If you use it day to day just to waste money, then that's your call. I thought the whole bottle water thing was stupid when it started.

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Paleocon wrote:
Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Water that is "clean" is not necessary "tasty". Federal requirements that define the acceptable thresholds of impurities still allow for way too much stuff that simply makes water A. unpleasant to drink B. too hard. Too much chlorine, too much calcium and magnesium.

My advice to anyone who buys bottled water would be to install a Reverse Osmosis system in their kitchen. They've become really affordable these days. A GE or a Whirlpool model can be bought for less than $200 at a Home Depo or Lowe's, respectively. They're fairly straightforward to install, and cost about $100 per year to operate (cost of replacement filters). As opposed to bottled water, you won't have to buy jugs or bottles of water every week, have to dedicate storage space for them in your kitchen, and then recycle them when they're empty. As opposed to tap water -- you will enjoy markedly tastier water, better-tasting meals, and your kettle and coffeemaker won't ever need descaling anymore.

I wonder about this. NYC (where I presume you live) has a reputation for having some of the best tasting water in the world.

I recall an episode of Bullsh*t devoted to debunking bottled water in which the crew fooled a restaurant full of folks by telling them that different orders of water came from exotic places when, in reality, they all came from the same garden hose behind the dumpster. I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks that complain about the taste of the water they drink would have a hard time differentiating between refrigerated tap water and bottled.

edit: doh! too slow.

Needless to say, many of the bottled waters come from Pepsi and Coke, and even they get the source from Tap water. Very few bottled waters come from "natural" sources.

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Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:

Paleo, get this Whirlpool RO system. See if you can install it (enough space under your kitchen sink, a free faucet hole in the basin or a place to drill a hole in the countertop for the filtered water faucet, and some basic plumbing skills to install the new faucet and replace the drain tailpiece). Your missus will be very pleased.

Unlikely. She's sort of a devoted planetkiller. I have tried and failed to get her to shut off the water or shut the fridge door while she's bringing groceries up from the car.

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Paleocon wrote:
My wife spends a small fortune on the stuff and keeps cases of it around despite the fact that we have some of the most drinkable water in the country/world. She even complained that it was hurting her back to bring the cases upstairs to the kitchen.

What Paleocon said, with the difference being that *I* get to carry the stupid cases. Grr.

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Bottled water tastes much better to me than Tap water. on average I spend maybe $5 a week here on it. but only because I can get a case of 24 bottles for about $3.
Aquafina water however actually comes directly from a Michigan tap water supply. and they sell it for well over a dollar a bottle here in Newfoundland. so i refuse to buy that.

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Paleocon wrote:
I recall an episode of Bullsh*t devoted to debunking bottled water in which the crew fooled a restaurant full of folks by telling them that different orders of water came from exotic places when, in reality, they all came from the same garden hose behind the dumpster. I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks that complain about the taste of the water they drink would have a hard time differentiating between refrigerated tap water and bottled.

The big flaw in taste tests like that is that one-time initial taste, and taste over prolonged use, are two totally different things.

I can swig a glass of Fresno's EPA-admonished tap water in a pinch, and it may taste fine at first, but over time, it wears seriously thin.

Pretty much the same with whatever new gimmick soda comes out. Most of them taste alright the first time. Not so much come time #5.

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Bottled water debate hits a boiling point.

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The Pacific Institute, a California think thank on sustainability issues, contends that producing bottles for US water consumption required the equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of oil in 2006, not including the energy for transportation.

The group says bottling water for Americans produces more than 2.5 million tons of carbon dioxide and consumes three liters of water for each liter of bottled water produced.

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I love the phrasing of "equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of oil"

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*Legion* wrote:
I love the phrasing of "equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of oil"

In other news, the power my laptop consumes is equivalent to the energy generated by burning 2 million newborn babies, even though the laptop itself doesn't run on burning babies.

I think they're estimating the amount of oil used to produce the plastic, not using barrels of oil as a unit of measure. Plastic is made from oil, if you didn't know.

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Yes, I assumed they were referring to the petroleum products used to make the plastic & the energy used in it's manufacture. You're obviously not burning barrels of oil to run the lights in your factory.

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nsmike wrote:
I think they're estimating the amount of oil used to produce the plastic, not using barrels of oil as a unit of measure.

Then it seems like just saying "17 million" or even "an estimated 17 million" would have been a correct way of writing it.

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You wouldn't believe the number of stunned looks I've gotten from people who drink bottled water because they think it's "healthier and more pure" when I tell them that 99% of it is just filtered tap water, often just the recycled water that was used to make soda. If they say I'm joking with them, I just go "Then why are two of the biggest bottled water brands owned by Coke and Pepsi?" Always puts a smile on my face.

My girlfriend and I have a water dispenser in our house that takes those 18.5L jugs. The reason we do is because it's spring water, not filtered tap water. The municipal water here is actually pretty good but I can definitely taste a major difference which is why we like it. Plus the water coming out of it is always cold as opposed to waiting for the tap to cool off. We never buy bottled water in any other form.

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In other news, the power my laptop consumes is equivalent to the energy generated by burning 2 million newborn babies, even though the laptop itself doesn't run on burning babies.

What's that in BTUs?

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Parallax Abstraction wrote:
My girlfriend and I have a water dispenser in our house that takes those 18.5L jugs. The reason we do is because it's spring water, not filtered tap water. The municipal water here is actually pretty good but I can definitely taste a major difference which is why we like it. Plus the water coming out of it is always cold as opposed to waiting for the tap to cool off. We never buy bottled water in any other form.

Sadly, those jugs are probably a polycarbonate plastic, known to introduce the estrogen Bisphenol-A into the water, which is credited for numerous fertility issues and miscarriages, as well as hormonal issues. If the recycling symbol on the bottom of the jug contains a number 7, its a polycarbonate. This is the case with many clear, hard plastics as well.

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*Legion* wrote:
I love the phrasing of "equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of oil"

In other news, the power my laptop consumes is equivalent to the energy generated by burning 2 million newborn babies, even though the laptop itself doesn't run on burning babies.

I think they're estimating the amount of oil used to produce the plastic, not using barrels of oil as a unit of measure. Plastic is made from oil, if you didn't know.

A barrel of oil is an internationally recognised standard unit of energy. Thus the energy gained from combusting 17 million gallons of oil is used to produce the water - filtering, transport and making of the bottles.

I usually drink tap water - though i drink that with cordials to mask the taste (which isn't terrible)... I have to point out that i only ever put in a small amount of cordial: it shocks me when i see a drink of watered cordial as coloured as the undiluted cordial!
However, if i'm out and about and want a drink i'll buy bottled water. A) I can't get tap water when i'm shopping etc, B) It's healthier than drinking a fizzy drink.

My ex suffers headaches from tap water - must be something they put in it. At first i was convinced it was in her head but occasionally (not long after we got together) i made the mistake of pouring her a drink of tap water without her knowledge and she still got the headaches...

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Am I the only one that uses a Brita pitcher? A six buck filter lasts a couple of months and is really easy to carry up the stairs.

Americans got collectively hoodwinked about proper hydration. Remember the adage, "drink eight to ten glasses of water a day"? There's no real evidence we need to drink that much water at all...it's just become an 'accepted' fact that helps to sell a lot of bottled water. (Same with Gatorade and the like. Unless you're working out--hard--for about an hour and a half or two hours, your body is just fine without that stuff.)

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We have our filter in our fridge. It works really well, and not to mention we don't have to change it very often. It's like... once a year. And generally I can taste when it's starting to lose it's filtration.

My mom and I keep a lot of our water bottles and reuse them. Sure they say that's a bad thing, but we get a good 20 uses out of them before I recycle them. A big trend at my school was using the steel water bottles that a lot of companies are starting to come out with in place of the nalgene(sp?) bottles. The only problem I see with the steel bottles is that they hold less than the nalgene.

Other kids use like... the one gallon milk containers or the smaller water cooler bottles that have a water bottle lid.

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Dominic Knight wrote:
We have our filter in our fridge. It works really well, and not to mention we don't have to change it very often. It's like... once a year. And generally I can taste when it's starting to lose it's filtration.

My mom and I keep a lot of our water bottles and reuse them. Sure they say that's a bad thing, but we get a good 20 uses out of them before I recycle them. A big trend at my school was using the steel water bottles that a lot of companies are starting to come out with in place of the nalgene(sp?) bottles. The only problem I see with the steel bottles is that they hold less than the nalgene.

Other kids use like... the one gallon milk containers or the smaller water cooler bottles that have a water bottle lid.

Hmmm... I may pick up one of those steel bottles to replace my Nalgene. I was just wondering what a good, durable alternative would be to my Nalgene, since I refuse to use it anymore after the water clearly adopted some different taste from the bottle itself, even after repeated washings.

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OG_slinger wrote:
Am I the only one that uses a Brita pitcher? A six buck filter lasts a couple of months and is really easy to carry up the stairs.

Americans got collectively hoodwinked about proper hydration. Remember the adage, "drink eight to ten glasses of water a day"? There's no real evidence we need to drink that much water at all...it's just become an 'accepted' fact that helps to sell a lot of bottled water. (Same with Gatorade and the like. Unless you're working out--hard--for about an hour and a half or two hours, your body is just fine without that stuff.)

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My wife spends a small fortune on the stuff and keeps cases of it around despite the fact that we have some of the most drinkable water in the country/world. She even complained that it was hurting her back to bring the cases upstairs to the kitchen.

My argument that Brita filters are both cheaper and lighter has fallen on deaf ears.

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