Activist Judges and the Exxon Valdez
Wednesday, June 25th, 2008 - 12:23pm
For all of you who like alleged "strict constructionist" judges like Scalia because they don't legislate from the bench, the Supreme Court has just reduced the punitive damages award in the Exxon Valdez case from $2.5 billion to $500 million, effectively creating a rule that punitive damages cannot exceed the economic damages in a case. Let me assure you, there's nothing in the punitive damages statute in question that would give rise to such an interpretation.
Hypocrisy like this makes me sick to my stomach.
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When you say "economic damages," what does that include? The cost of the oil? Ship repairs? Clean-up effort?
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There is no way Republicans are going to stop using this catchphrase, even when this ruling is smeared in their face.
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Fantastic. The one tool left to check business (cash money, yo) has just been taken away.
Unfortunately, there was nothing hypocritical that occurred, and there was no legislation from the bench. See, 'legislating from the bench' would be something like legalizing gay marriage or otherwise assuming the power to decide something best left to the legislature. Reducing the amount of punitive damages to match compensatory damages is precisely the function of the judiciary. To determine and fairly apply the laws as written.
The original punitive award was $5B. It was cut in half by a federal court before.
Punitive damages are designed to punish a wrongdoer, while compensatory damages compensate a wronged party for the loss they suffered. The applicable law, the federal Clean Water Act, doesn't even allow for punitive damages for oil spills. Also, what exactly did Exxon do wrong that they are being punished for? The fault was not with the company, but the captain and crew. And federal maritime law prevents company owners from being held liable for personally negligent conduct by the captain or crew.
The Supreme Court, in other rulings, has said that punitive damages almost always should match "actual," or compensatory, damages. After Exxon paid over $3B in cleanup and another $500M in compensatory damages, punitive damages are excessive.
This is not inconsistent, not legislating from the bench, and not hypocrisy.
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From Stevens' dissent:
Also, from Ginsburg's dissent:
What's this? Liberal Activist Judges Stevens and Ginsburg letting the legislature decide?
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Two pieces of additional information about that:
Abuse of discretion is a ridiculously high standard to meet. You basically need facts equivalent to "I was arrested because I'm too good-looking."
There are plenty of statutes out there that provide a ratio for a punitive damages award made under that statute. Ratios of double damages or treble damages are common. Here, no range was specified, until the court stepped in and decided that 1/10 of the original award was appropriate, or $15,000 a person.
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Claims were made under both the Clean Water Act and federal common law. The punitives award came under common law. Bringing multiple causes of action for the same wrong is lawyer 101.
The concept of employer liability for the actions of its employees has been embedded in our legal system since it began, and well before that if you go back to England. Even if federal maritime law creates an exemption to that principle that applies to this case, Exxon is still independently liable for, among other things, employing a known alcoholic to pilot a supertanker.
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Corporate Personhood should essentially eliminate the idea that corporations are not responsible for the actions or negligence of their employees. That would be like saying, "The knife stabbed that guy. I'm not responsible for the assault, the knife is." If corporations want the full rights of an individual, they should be held to the same levels of responsibility.
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I second this notion.
So what do we do when the "assault" is caused by a defective "knife"?
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There's a massive body of law around this called, variously, respondeat superior, vicarious liability, agency law, or employment law. It all basically boils down to if the employee is acting within the scope of his or her duties, the employer is on the hook, or if the employer screwed up, e.g. failed to perform a background check and hires a sex offender to work in a daycare, the employer is on the hook. But the employer wouldn't be responsible if the employee gets loaded during his free time and crashes his car into somebody else. As these things go, it works decently.
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It's not a 1-to-1 analogy, to be sure, but in this case, crew members of an Exxon owned and operated vessel were either drunk or exhausted, and failed to return to the proper course in order to avoid colliding with a charted and known reef. Yet the company put these people in charge of that vessel. So perhaps instead, we should say, "My arm was holding a knife, and my arm happened to drive that knife into another person, but my head didn't know anything about it. It's the arm's fault because it was tired and weak, and should've put the knife in its case instead."
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or the knife isn't wielded properly or according to the standards the corporation has set?
Arms and knives don't act independently, like employees; false analogy.
I'd worry more about the counter-argument. Suppose companies *are* liable for all actions of their employees on company time. Without a reasonable distinction between valid and invalid actions, an employee could hold the company hostage by threatening to commit crimes or irresponsible actions, with the company being held responsible. That would not be useful; some distinction needs to exist so that the companies don't operate under constant threat of, for lack of a better word, betrayal.
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Easy way to do that: eliminate corporate personhood.
And it's not a false analogy, the absurdity of saying the arm operates independently was intentional. They employed these people, who did not act responsibly with something very dangerous. They're as culpable as your own arm should be.
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That's the motive behind my thoughts as well. I've written about my objections to corporate personhood before.
Can't the company just fire that individual?
What happens if a worker at an automobile factory gets killed by some automated robotic arms? Company's fault? They own the robots, the robots were acting out of direct human control, someone died.
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Exxon decided that it was cheaper to try to hide the damage than to actually fix it. They staged fake cleanup operations and bribed locals to claim things were just great.
That's what they're being punished for, trying to dodge responsibility through deception, not the spill itself.
Claims against the employer are covered by workers' compensation. The employee may also wish to pursue a products liability action against the manufacturer of the robotic arm if the arm was defectively designed or manufactured. Then the manufacturer brings third-party lawsuits against the employer for failure to properly maintain the robotic arm and all of the component part manufacturers of the robotic arm, unless they're in Japan and the manufacturer can't get personal jurisdiction over them. Now bear in mind that someday, when robots have free will, but before they take over and kill us all (and our legal system along with us), you may start to see lawsuits against the robots as well, although there are serious questions about what sort of damages you could expect to recover from a robot, which is presumably devoid of assets.
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