Nvidia customers with 9xxx cards, PhysX support is out "leaked"

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Was considering to put this on the Tech Forum, but I figure that this is more relavent to games, so here it goes:

Guru3d Thread

[H]ardOCP's mirror of the GPU drivers and PhysX drivers

list of PhysX Supported Games

Possible games of interest to GWJers:

GoW, Gothic III, Worldshift (beta, demo), Mass Effect, Silverfall, Joint Task Force, GRAW 1 & 2, UT3, AoE III, City of Villains.

I know I can't wait to get this for Mass Effect and Gothic III (and JTF, silverfall)

It officially supports only:

9800GTX,
9800GTX+
GTX 260 & 280

But you can get it to work for other 9xxx series cards (confirmed to work for 9800GX2 at least) by doing the following:

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Use the 177.35 modded inf, copy and paste it into the extracted files and replace the DriverVer line with the following: for XP (DriverVer = 06/16/2008, 6.14.11.7739); for Vista (DriverVer = 06/16/2008, 7.15.11.7739). I have tested this with Vista 32.

DriverVer = 06/16/2008, 7.15.11.7739

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Hmm... so they finally rewrote it to support CUDA. Interesting. Kindda sucks for the ATI users.

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They're working backwards, so apparently every 8 and 9 series cards will officially support it in due time.

I'm actually looking forward to this. The technology itself was already pretty cool, and the real thing holding it back was the requirement of purchasing a second high-end card. Maybe developers will be more interested in implementing it in their games if there's already a pre-installed base of users.

Didn't know Mass Effect utilized it. I'm not that far into it so I'll have to see if it's already available or I have to wait for a patch.

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Well, looks like currently, most of the PhysX games won't make use of the new drivers yet. Since they will need a game patch that make them use the physX hardware, instead of using SW to emulate it.

However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

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LobsterMobster wrote:

*In response to being rewarded with a in-game shack for NOT nuking FO3 city Megaton*
Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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lethial wrote:
Well, looks like currently, most of the PhysX games won't make use of the new drivers yet. Since they will need a game patch that make them use the physX hardware, instead of using SW to emulate it.

However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

Do if they patch in support for the 8800GTS 640 as a physx, I could use it with a newer card as graphics? Nice.

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lethial wrote:
However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

Woah... stop there a minute. Did you just say that you could have a primary ATI and a secondary Nvidia card? I'm sceptical.... but i guess with the right driver it might be okay?

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Duoae wrote:
lethial wrote:
However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

Woah... stop there a minute. Did you just say that you could have a primary ATI and a secondary Nvidia card? I'm sceptical.... but i guess with the right driver it might be okay?

Oh I didn't mean that, I am sure having both ATI and NV drivers on your system wouldn't be a good thing. Though maybe in the future such thing could work.

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*In response to being rewarded with a in-game shack for NOT nuking FO3 city Megaton*
Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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lethial wrote:
Duoae wrote:
lethial wrote:
However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

Woah... stop there a minute. Did you just say that you could have a primary ATI and a secondary Nvidia card? I'm sceptical.... but i guess with the right driver it might be okay?

Oh I didn't mean that, I am sure having both ATI and NV drivers on your system wouldn't be a good thing. Though maybe in the future such thing could work.

I doubt it very much. No way will they ever play nice with each other like that.

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Thin_J wrote:
lethial wrote:
Duoae wrote:
lethial wrote:
However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

Woah... stop there a minute. Did you just say that you could have a primary ATI and a secondary Nvidia card? I'm sceptical.... but i guess with the right driver it might be okay?

Oh I didn't mean that, I am sure having both ATI and NV drivers on your system wouldn't be a good thing. Though maybe in the future such thing could work.

I doubt it very much. No way will they ever play nice with each other like that.

Phew... for a moment i thought that the world was ending! Though if there was a driver to make the system treat the secondary card as a physx card only (no graphics) then i guess in theory there would be no problem as there would be only one set of graphics drivers active on the system...

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lethial wrote:
Well, looks like currently, most of the PhysX games won't make use of the new drivers yet. Since they will need a game patch that make them use the physX hardware, instead of using SW to emulate it.

Nope, it works fine. Installed the beta drivers, installed the recent PhysX drivers, and it's working in Vantage, the UT3 map, Mass Effect and GRAW. Been testing it this afternoon and it works great, particularly in GRAW, where the framerate doesn't budge in the slightest no matter how much is going on. All the stuff on that list is hardware supported, so the Nvidia driver just re-routes the info meant for a dedicated card to it.

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However, the good news is that, it looks like there is now one more reason to keep your old NV cards. At least with the G92 series, you can use the second card (even on Crossfire boards since you are not doing SLI or Crossfire) as a physX card!

You don't need (nor can you use) a second card for Nvidia, if you already have an 8800 or above, you're ready to go,(once they release the drivers for your series) and while SLI will improve results, no one card will be dedicated to it. They already feature the architecture to use Ageia's CUDA programming language. It's ATI that requires you to use a second card when they introduce their solution to do the job, although that card can be anything as old as an X1300, apparently.

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Interested as I am in testing it out I think I'll wait for the next official revision that includes them. My last beta driver experience was not necessarily a happy one.

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That is good news kuddles! Did you uninstall the AEGIA PhysX Drivers first?

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*In response to being rewarded with a in-game shack for NOT nuking FO3 city Megaton*
Yeah, but if you set off the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a parking lot!

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I actually just recently reformatted my entire system to switch to Vista completely instead of dual-booting, so I didn't have it installed on my system at the time.

Also, turns out you were right. While Nvidia doesn't require you to have a second card, you will in the near future be allowed to use one as the dedicated Physics card. Shame I don't have an SLI motherboard.

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kuddles wrote:
I actually just recently reformatted my entire system to switch to Vista completely instead of dual-booting, so I didn't have it installed on my system at the time.

Also, turns out you were right. While Nvidia doesn't require you to have a second card, you will in the near future be allowed to use one as the dedicated Physics card. Shame I don't have an SLI motherboard.

As far as I can tell from all the people have tried it, you don't need a SLI mobo, you don't even need to have matching gfx card.

Have you noticed any differences in Mass Effect btw?

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lethial wrote:
As far as I can tell from all the people have tried it, you don't need a SLI mobo, you don't even need to have matching gfx card.

So.. even though my mobo doesn't support SLI I could still use the second PCIe slot to get a cheap 9 series videocard and use it for physics?

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lethial wrote:

As far as I can tell from all the people have tried it, you don't need a SLI mobo, you don't even need to have matching gfx card.

Have you noticed any differences in Mass Effect btw?


How does that even work? Without an SLI motherboard, most people aren't going to have a second PCI-E x 16 slot.

Anyways, I didn't really notice anything in Mass Effect (or nothing that I can be certain wasn't my own imagination), although I can imagine it being much more subtle, so maybe I didn't notice it in my limited playtime. I also downloaded those two free PhysX demos, Cell Factor and Warmonger. Unfortunately, I won't be trying anything else for a few days. The new power supply I bought for my 280 proved to be a lemon, so until I can my replacement delivered, I'm back to using my 8800GTX as my older power supply was only 450W.

People are experiencing very impressive results, in some cases tests have shown it does better than having an original PhysX card. While this is still just speculative, it seems to off load physics from the CPU even if the game doesn't use PhysX on certain titles. Several people reported that their framerate gets a boost in Crysis and Age of Conan if they leave the PhysX hardware enabled in them. That seems pretty suspect to me but enough people have claimed it to give it some validity.

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I'm going to be curious to see how well the oldest 8 series card (which I have) handles this if/when they offer the support for it. I wonder how much left over processing power its got when running modern games that could support PhysX?

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kuddles wrote:
They already feature the architecture to use Ageia's CUDA programming language.

Just a minor nitpicky correction. CUDA is Nvidia's, not Ageia's. It's a C-like language that allows you to use your GPU multiprocessors to excecute massively parallel SIMD (single instruction multiple data) code kernels. In other words, you can use your video card as a stream processor. Until recently you needed specialized hardware platforms that cost 10s of thousands of dollars. But now you can get a Gflop stream processor out of your 9k series card. Pretty exciting stuff actually.

ATI is also doing something similar. I forget what their programming environment is called though.

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Isn't the official nVidia driver package suppose to come out soon for us 8800 owners?

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I think it's out now.

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Thin_J wrote:
lethial wrote:
As far as I can tell from all the people have tried it, you don't need a SLI mobo, you don't even need to have matching gfx card.

So.. even though my mobo doesn't support SLI I could still use the second PCIe slot to get a cheap 9 series videocard and use it for physics?

My question also.

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Dysplastic wrote:
Thin_J wrote:
lethial wrote:
As far as I can tell from all the people have tried it, you don't need a SLI mobo, you don't even need to have matching gfx card.

So.. even though my mobo doesn't support SLI I could still use the second PCIe slot to get a cheap 9 series videocard and use it for physics?

My question also.

No sli mobo needed as long as there is a second pci express slot.

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My understanding is that you do not need a second card to do physics, but you can use one for better performance.

What I see happening in the future with Nvidia is their solution where all mobos have an integrated chip for the windows stuff and then an add-on card for the games. Originally during games, the integrated chip was going to be a sort of "poor mans SLI", and even a Tri-SLI if you had a "real" SLI setup, but now with CUDA why not use the integrated for physics?

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boogle wrote:
No sli mobo needed as long as there is a second pci express slot.

Nifty. Maybe when I do my next videocard upgrade I won't bother to sell the 8800 afterall.

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Awesome. This is much much better than buying a separate physics card. I am glad they bought Agia out

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Shoal07 wrote:
All 8 and 9 series driver

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Thanks for that link, it's exactly what I was looking for...

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Yea, I had the slipping problem too, and I just find I enjoy the thwack better anyway, so it all works out well in the end.

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Downloaded and installed the PhysX patch... definitely a very cool feature and ability for effects. I don't really have any PhysX supported games, so I gave Warmonger a try (one of the included demos... standard CTF fps type of game), and I have to say, the Phys-X aspects of the gameplay are pretty cool. Destructible environments and especially the sheets add another layer of strategy and realism into these types of games. I'm thinking about picking up a copy UTIII now...

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Yea, I had the slipping problem too, and I just find I enjoy the thwack better anyway, so it all works out well in the end.

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TheWalt wrote:
Downloaded and installed the PhysX patch... definitely a very cool feature and ability for effects. I don't really have any PhysX supported games, so I gave Warmonger a try (one of the included demos... standard CTF fps type of game), and I have to say, the Phys-X aspects of the gameplay are pretty cool. Destructible environments and especially the sheets add another layer of strategy and realism into these types of games.

Too bad the game itself looks and plays like some student project.

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A-list PhysX titles that I see:
Mass Effect
Gears of War
Unreal Tournament III

Mass Effect might have my interest... already have GoW on the 360, so I'm not gonna double dip there, and there's not enough UTIII players for me to want to shell out for it...

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Yea, I had the slipping problem too, and I just find I enjoy the thwack better anyway, so it all works out well in the end.

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