Will AoC replace WoW in the long term *for you*?
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 - 9:19pm
I know this has been discussed on and off, but I was interested in GWJer opinions after a few week of playing. Just looking at the message boards, it's obvious that everyone's loving AoC, but do you feel that it's a temporary change from WoW, and that you'll eventually go back? Or is AoC your new crack? I'm particularly interested in seeing if the trends are different for the "casual" and "hardcore" players.
For the record, I haven't tried AoC yet. My poor, ancient laptop would probably start crying if I even thought about installing it...
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It's going to be months at least before you really discover if the MMOs got legs for the community or not.
Edit: I mean things could be running smoothly, then a month or two down the line they could release a patch that changed everyone to A cups and the fan base would shrivel up overnight.
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No, it won't.
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I think it will be successful. I think it will take a chunk out of WoW. A lot of casual WoW players are interested, if not subscribed yet. So it will put a dent in WoW, but the real success might be showing that a non-WoW MMo can be very successful still.
Whats cool is that Conan will have done it through years of hard work. Its got a strong license but not really a hip cash-in type license (LotRO, Pirates of the Caribbean) so you can't really say it leaned heavilly on it. Its real strengths are in the design of the game, and that's the kind of work that needs to be rewarded.
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For some, and for some it wont.
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Heh. You're right, of course - between changes introduced in patches and the fact that the end-game hasn't really been explored yet (as far as I know, anyway) it's hard to make a final judgment. I was thinking more of early impressions, and at an individual level.
...I might make the title a bit more clear.
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Not a chance.
Nothing will replace the big one for most people. However, I do think Conan will exist rather nicely as number two for a very long time, even moreso when they keep piling on the polish.
From what I've seen, Conan is more desirable to those who have been there, done that, have grown tired of the big one , well, because they been playing since November 2004. Any game, no matter how much you polish it, is still the same game at the end of the day, and three to four years of heavy playing will cause you to hit the eject button at some point. It's the point you realize that the big one has definitely started to show it's age, and the mechanics have largely remain unchanged. It's the point when you realize that the big one can release expansions, but unless it does something dramatically different, it's the same deja vu, the same song and dance, and the same one trick grind pony.
But those are just the vets. Casuals and newcomers will lap up it's sparkly goodness until Blizzard shuts down the servers years and years down the road.
For me personally? It already has replaced the big one. I'm not entirely sure I can resist the expansion, but I simply don't have the dedication I used to have to jump back on that treadmill again. Conan feels different - for now. If at any point it stops becoming fun and becomes like the big one, I will probably pack it in as well. But rest assured, it's still the most fun I've had since I stepped into Azeroth for the first time, so consider me hooked.
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You'll have to forgive me-- I'm likely come off a bit ranty, and its not your fault Sonic. I'm really tired of this. I know its fare, and inevitable to compare AoC and WoW. Its the same genre, and for those WoW players with an interest in AoC its a question that is needed.
But on every forum that involves conan, half the conversation is about wow and how it stacks up; most of the users seem to be WoW-ers who can't let go of the game. I've been a member of the AoC forum since '05 and I'm more than sick of it. I just wish it would stop, and people playing AoC would enjoy it for what it is, and stop trying to play two games at once, diminishing both.
Again, I know its an inevitable, and needed, esp. from a prospective player ( like you sonic). Just a sort of forum exhaustion I guess. I'm in it for the year at least.
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I saw this, and noticed that it specified AoC. I find it interesting because I've found my replacement for WoW; however it's not AoC. I haven't even played AoC yet, and likely won't until I can do it free. EVE however, has very much replaced WoW for me. It's a huge breath of fresh air, has a good feel to it and with the right corp it's a blast.
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Yeah, go pick on EVE!
I'm just bitter because I can't play Conan for a week.
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To answer the original question: yes, absolutely. But then if EA hadn't canned UO:2 I'd probably have played that and never given the big one a second glance... so not sure if I fit the WoW player mold.
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I had quit WoW before AoC. I have no plans to get into it heavy again. I'm sure i'll pick up WotLK and play around with it here/there. There's nothing pointing at them fixing the things i didnt like. So for now it's AoC.
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Man I gave EVE a shot, it's so damn purty. Unfortunately I am not smart enough to play
Really though, I wish I had like, 6 months to just lock myself in a room and figure out how it all works. It seems like once you get past the steep learning curve it becomes pretty incredible. I hear they are having 3D human avatars soon?
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I quit WoW before trying AoC. After playing AoC for a bit I uninstalled it and reinstalled WoW, because AoC reminded me of all the things WoW did right, and how they clearly just can't be taken for granted.
The storm is coming.
WoW replaced EQ which replaced UO as the big one. Given the size of the market at the time, they are all equivalent successes. They all still have hardcore followings, and I find it unlikely they will ever shutdown. If wow has hit the same stage as the others, which I believe it has, we will see these emerging mmos take a significant share, the diehard will stay, and many will go back and forth, a month here and there, but it will never be the same. Wow isn't a special unique flower, its just the most recent in the cycle.
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It could, but only if they fix a lot of bugs within the next three months.
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Fixed.
The measure of a man is how truly his actions reflect his own truth - not how well his actions fall into line with what makes others comfortable.
Fixed.
The storm is coming.
I've played WoW since just after launch. I loved it, still do, but I am completely burned out. I quit a few months ago with multiple 70's and a "been there done that" feeling.
I've been playing AoC since it launched and feel it's a good game, not a great one. Yet. It has everything in place for it to become one in time and I'm patient. I'm not addicted to it, but I enjoy it. It's got a great dark world that's a refreshing take on the fantasy model, but it still has some glaring problems, bugs, and annoyances. The core mechanics are right on though.
My plan is to play it casually and raise up a char in each archetype to 40: Necro as a main, DT, PoM, and Ranger. When the new 50-80 content comes out I'll try to level my main to 80. Whether I'll stay will depend on the community. I almost quit WoW early on, until I got involved in the community and I played for years and never looked back.
When WAR comes out my WoW guild is giving it a try. I'll probably stop playing AoC at that time. I'll see how the two (AoC and WAR) measure up. I'm taking a wait and see attitude to WotLK. If I'm still burned out on WoW, then I'll pass for a while, but eventually I'll go back and run through it.
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These are the statements that make me absolutely nuts. I'll agree with you that right now WoW is a far more polished MMO than AoC. You simply can't discount the fact that Blizzard has been patching and fixing WoW for almost 4 years. They still continue to fix things that were broke in the original version. Am I the only one that remembers how almost every patch screwed up the Ony encounter?
But please stop acting like WoW was the best MMO launch ever. To do so is just an outright distortion of reality. The WoW launch was a horror show and stability was horrific for the first 6 months after launch. Yes theres a crapload of stuff in AoC that needs fixing and I believe will be fixed. They just need time.
To judge a game just released against one they've been patching for years is just ignorant.
Meh. For me MMOs are MUCH more about the people than this or that feature or bug. Last night we had a great goodjer group cleaning out the last high level quests in Fields of the Dead. I could go on about the long respawn times on the bosses, the messed up aggro, the boring drops, the broken feats or whatever, but I'll leave that to Rob. For me it was much more about the sights, sounds, and company.
So in short - the big one will always be where everyone else is. WoW, right now, doesn't hardly have anyone in the mid-levels, so it was a pretty lonely experience most nights.
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I played a little WoW but never could get past the artwork. I enjoyed EQ2's art but had issues with solo-ability and progression in the early stages. Kunark made it much more bearable but my time was such I couldn't get into it. AoC's art is fantastic and so far, me likey. We'll see how long it takes me to get to 40 even though.
I haven't played AoC nor do I think I will be inclined to do so in the near future. One thing that I have found interesting about it, however, is how quickly most people seem to be able to level their toons. The game has been officially out for just over two weeks now and there appear to be a lot of people with level 80 characters. Even casual players have hit 40+. What this tells me is that the end game is everything in AoC. If it only takes a few weeks to level to 80, then "the journey" that makes WoW so much fun seems to be a much smaller part of AoC.
I haven't seen a lot of information on the AoC endgame and I don't know if all the big PVP features they were talking about have even been implemented into the game yet. The real test of AoC will be when people hit 80, is there enough to keep them entertained.
I quit Wow at least a half year ago. I ran into the same MMO-agnostic problem I always do, my life schedule just isnt compatible with raiding. That being said, I will return to WoW for Wrath of the Lich King I'm sure to experience the new content and hopefully reunite with GWJer friends. I had a lot of fun with the new content (well, the content that I saw) in Burning Crusade. I'm not big on re-experiencing content to level up alts, and this is one fundamental problem I had with how I tackled WoW. I rolled on a PVE server and after being introduced to the harsh reality and impromptu battles of PVP, I had wished I had started on a PVP server. In a way, it was just too late.
So, that is where my hope lies with AoC. I love the background setting, and I'm hoping that the random adventure of world pvp gives me an alternative to raiding. I actually dont know anything about the raiding potential of AoC, but I'm trying not to read up too much on the game and just relish the freshness of the environment, the quests and the gameplay.
WoW will remain the 800 lb gorilla (well outside of the one we have at GWJ), but I don't think its an either / or scenario. The market has grown, each has its strengths and attractions to players. My hunch is that even more than WoW, LOTRO is going to be more affected by gamer population migrations to AoC because it offers an equivalent iconic gaming setting and some new twists on gameplay mechanics.
btw, I dont think i've won a pvp encounter yet (sigh)... but then again I'm only lvl 16...
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See, I feel the same way, but I can never -- ever -- keep up with my buddies in any mmo I play. Ever. Even the two guys that I played WoW with originally, that we each had a character intended to keep together (our mains, actually, with alts for other playtimes) so we could always adventure together with a purpose, both wound up putting extra time in that I didn't, and were always 1-2 (sometimes more) levels ahead of me, which was highly frustrating because who wants to be the "kid brother" that's getting dragged around all the time? I wound up telling them to just go on and I'd solo like I always end up doing anyway. Funny thing is, they wound up quitting before hitting the level cap, whereas I with my tortoise-like ways wound up hitting the level cap and having fun with the goodjer crew.
So yeah, I agree, the "big one" is the one where everybody is -- that I can play with. That's WoW and will remain so for the foreseeable future. I love dabbling in different mmo's, but knowing my gaming habits, I treat them all primarily as single-player games with the occasional chance to team up with other random players. With WoW, at least until the next expansion is out, I know that no one else will outlevel my level 70, so I will always have some people to team up with there.
AoC will replace WoW for a lot of people, but it won't dethrone it as what some are calling "the big one". I do think that it will become the most successful post-WoW MMO for quite a while, barring a WAR miracle.
As for whether it will replace it for me, we'll see. I'll first have to play it on a fast computer and experience the real deal. I'm leaning towards a yes. I love the fact that it feels very Neverwinter Nights-ish to me; the art and the mature setting and all really create a cool atmosphere, an atmosphere that I have been looking for.
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The people who are 80 are officially nuts. The exact same thing happened with WoW, and the exact same thing happened with Burning Crusade. Any MMO is going to have max characters within the first couple of weeks, that's pretty much a given.
I just hit 50 and I was in the early access program. I've goofed around on a few other toons, and I spend a LOT of time reading through quests and taking it easy - and I still have another 30 freaking levels to go! As a heavy alt player, I eventually got the 1-70 in WoW down to about 240 hours. I can easily see this being in line with leveling to 80 in Conan, and this falls in line with their quote of 275 or so hours to max level.
There is a ton of stuff planned for end game which has me excited. It's not just raid or die, and that makes me happy.
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Aside from the 13-year-old in my thinking "boobies!!!!", I have zero interest in Conan. I'm glad someone is trying some different things, evolving some things, and putting more MMOs out there, but I'm not gonna buy it.
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I tend to avoid discussions like this. The desire to extensively judge one game against another is a good way to hammer down to what your feelings on the genre as a whole may be, but the conversation often ends with back biting and getting caught up in semantics.
See?
Once you've established why you like one game and dislike the other the productive part of the discussion is over. I'm enjoying AoC for the same reasons I enjoyed WoW, rabbit definitely has the right of it there.
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