Subnotebooks/UMPCs - Anyone keeping tabs?
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 - 4:50pm
Is anyone out there keeping track of all the various UMPCs such as the EeePC, MSI Wind, HP2300, etc? If so - what's considered the cream of the crop for the sub $400 category? No preference for screen size or OS, but a not-too-tiny keyboard would be nice. Anything above $400 and I'd just as soon start looking at a Macbook...


Good question. I'm interested in the MSI Wind. So is my wife, after she caught a glimpse of the pink one.
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For under $400, there aren't many options other than an EeePC right now, unless you go for something that's not a PC, like Nokia's n800.
There are numerous community sites tracking this space such as http://www.umpcportal.com/, http://www.jkontherun.com/, http://www.ultramobilegeek.com/, and http://www.hp2133guide.com/.
Screen size and resolution matter more than you might anticipate. Issues that you think might just be a minor annoyance before you buy it can pile up, and make you downright hate using a machine. If you're going to go for one of these, take a good look at the the ergonomics as well as the CPU speed, storage capacity, and battery life.
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I was thinking about getting one of these for my son to play things like nickjr.com and pbskids.org, but I'm just going to get a new 15" asus laptop for me and let him have my inspiron 9400 instead. I have had a new computer in 3 years and haven't *bought* a new one in 5+ years, so it's an easy justification.
I didn't check to see if the 7" screen on the EeePC would be big enough to actually play those flash games, and I don't know if I'd have been able to install things like his JumpStart games, but it's moot now. I think these things would be great for kid computers that you can always have handy, but I think all the JS games require the CD in the drive at playtime, so that's probably a big issue.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Oh, no doubt. That's why the 10", 1024 pixel wide MSI Wind appeals to me, and the original 7", 800 pixel wide Eee PC didn't.
A lot of websites are designed for no less than 1024x768 these days. At 1024x600, the Wind is a bit shorter than that, but width is far more important than height, as the latter just means scrolling a bit more.
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I can't really see the market that the eeePC is going for. If you really want an ultra-mobile PC, pickup the Nokia N810. I have an N810 and use it as my laptop replacement. I can check websites, watch videos on youtube, jot down notes, IM friends, and download things via Bittorrent and soulseek. If you're feeling adventurous you can even install KDE onto it and get a full desktop experience, including running Open Office, etc. Connect a portable bluetooth or USB keyboard and type away. The screen has a surprisingly good viewing angle (better than every laptop i've seen) and speakers also rivaling anything i've seen on a laptop, making it a great little device to show videos to friends with. I picked mine up in late February and it stays in my back pocket with me all day, battery life lasts me just about all day (at least 12ish hours) so I never have to worry about plugging it in until I get home after work, or whatever i'm doing.
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Handheld PS1(emulation). They even have youtube videos of two of my favorite games, Einhänder and Wipeout XL being played on it.
If you don't want to click the link, it's like a bigger DS Lite but with thumbsticks and keyboard instead of a non-touch-sensitive second screen(which means the screen it does have is touch-sensitive.
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The reason I am/was considering the EeePC was that they came out with WinXP versions. Which - if I could get my son's games working on it - would make it a perfect child-sized laptop, IMO. I guess I'd need to dig around and find out what resolution those games run at to be sure they'd even be playable on the assumption that I could get them to ignore lack of CD in the drive. Anyone play flash-games on one of these? Like pbskids or nickjr? Is the screen even tall enough?
Not that it really matters - I ordered a new Asus laptop yesterday, so he'll get to have my Dell as a hand-me-down.
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Install the Web Developer extension in Firefox, use it to resize your browser window to 1024x600 (or 800x480 for smaller ones), go to those websites, and see if they fit. Easy.
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Doh.

Duh.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
I'm pretty much sold on the MSI Wind. The $399 Linux version doesn't release until late summer, but the $499 Windows version packs twice the RAM (1GB vs. 512MB) and a 6-cell battery instead of a 3-cell battery. With an 80GB hard drive, there's plenty of room for me to shrink the Windows partition down and install Linux as my main OS. That, and an upgrade to the max of 2GB of RAM, and I'll have a happy machine.
I can't speak to an overall marketing strategy, but for me, I want a small laptop that I can travel with and write code on, and I'm definitely not doing the latter on a tiny keyboard and 4" screen of a Nokia N810 (though I certainly wouldn't mind having one as an "always in my back pocket" Internet device the way you describe your usage).
I once had a 13" Thinkpad 600E, and later a 12" aluminum Powerbook, and I miss having compact machines that I can easily carry anywhere and still do work on. I have a 15" Dell that got me through the last couple of years of college, but it's a 7 pound beast, not really a "drop into Starbucks and use wifi" machine (though I did lug it to many-a classes).
The Wind appears to be the smallest possible form factor that one could fit a keyboard with full-sized keys in, and it weighs half of what my old little Powerbook did. That's the right size for me.
Besides, the Wind has an overclock button. Who here doesn't miss the "Turbo" button that was found on old AT cases, with a MHz display right next to it? I sure miss 'em.
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As soon as they went to three full digits on those displays, I always changed my readouts to be '666'. If people asked, I told them it was beastly fast.
For anyone else considering a subnotebook, be sure to check out the Ubuntu Netbook Remix project, a set of packages designed to tweak Ubuntu's desktop environment for use on those smaller subnotebook screens (a couple of really clever ideas among the set of packages)
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I am also looking at the MSI wind. I've been following these things for a while now and almost got caught up in the "eee" frenzy around christmas. Luckily I talked myself out of it and am now happily looking forward to the MSI Wind.
My only problem is that they're putting the two different OS systems on different hardware. Why must this continue to be the issue. I'm going to put ubuntu on it anyways... Why make me have to buy the more expensive Windows version just to get the better hardware.
Oh, and of note.
I read somewhere in an interview that upgrading the ram would void your warranty. So might as well go with the better one. Not to mention that glorious 6-cell 5 hour battery.
The other problem I'm running into is that I'm starting to see lots of standard laptops selling on newegg for around $500. This is seriously starting to make me wonder if I'm going to be getting what I'm looking for out of the Wind. I find the form factor to be the selling point to me, but if I can get significantly better performance out of a slightly larger, same price machine I don't really know how to make that judgment call.
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I think they should make an Eeepc that's just a browser and nothing else. You turn it on and there's your browser. That's the market I see for them.
I nearly bought an EeePC last week, not knowing a huge amount about them other than the spec. I messed around with the demo model in the store for a while, and it was far too slow, far too low res and felt even cheaper than it should have. At £220 in the UK, it is too much for too little.
I use my HTC TyTn2 for a bit of easy web browsing, but I was hoping that an EeePC would obviate my need for a new laptop. I really only use the current one for browsing, but it is getting a bit too long in the tooth. Ho hum.
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I'm right there with you. I keep bouncing back and forth between the two options.
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It depends on your definition of performance. If all you care about is computing performance, you'll probably get more out of a $500 Acer than an MSI Wind.
If you're counting portability as much as computing power in the "performance" definition for a laptop, things change. Looking at those NewEgg laptops in the $400-500 range, the weights I'm seeing are 5.9lbs, 6.2lbs, 6.4lbs, 5.6lbs... for me, the Wind's 2.6lb frame "outperforms" those by a lot. I don't consider 6 pounds to be "slightly larger" than 2-and-a-half. The latter is a carry-around-everywhere machine for me, the former stays at home or just gets set on a hotel room desk and stays there.
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I have the eeepc 701. Works well enough for me for the things that I use it for, which is mainly SSH for remote administration. Also doubles as a vi/emacs terminal when I feel like writing (crappy) code. Can do ssh + x11 (or terminal server client or vnc) to run heavier apps from my other machines. Firefox works well enough on most sites I visit using the 7" screen. Also, I now prefer reading PDFs on the EEE as opposed to a desktop monitor. Catch is, I'm not using the default linux install and use Ubuntu instead.
Looking forward to a 9" eeepc but only after they've upgraded to the Intel Atom processors. I've managed to shoehorn EvE:Online on WINE on the 701 but the performance is... pitiful? It runs... painfully slow... but enough to satisfy my AFK MMO needs.
Have heard of the MSI Wind but I haven't checked out specs for it. If the price is comparable and it uses the Atom chips, I'll likely consider it for purchase.
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The MSI uses a 1.6 GHz Atom chip, which overclocks to 1.9 GHz if you use the "turbo" button (or whatever they actually call it), and it's got a 10" 1024x600 screen.
I hope one of those people that's watching my Dell laptop auction on eBay actually buys it. I want to put down my Wind order. Whoosh!
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The white one looks remarkably like my old 12" iBook G3, at least from the front.
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The MSI Wind has been delayed a little.
June 29th will see the Windows version, with only a 3-cell battery, shipping for $479.
The 6-cell battery version (and the 3-cell, 512MB RAM Linux-bundled version) are to ship in early July.
Presumably, the prices for the 6-cell XP model and 3-cell Linux model are still $499 and $399.
I really see no reason why anyone would buy any model other than the $499 XP one. The included RAM is onboard, so while there is an upgrade slot, I'd prefer 1GB of RAM onboard + 1GB more that I add, instead of only upgrading to 1.5GB total. And who wants a 3-cell battery? 2.6lbs vs. 2.3lbs hardly seems like a serious enough factor to slice battery life in half. After all, a 2.3lb laptop with 0 juice is just a big paperweight.
I just wish they'd offer the Linux machine with 1GB of RAM and the 6-cell battery, at slightly less than $499. Then I'd get that - though I'd end up wiping SuSE and installing Ubuntu, no different than if it was XP instead
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OK, the MSI Winds may ship tomorrow, or they may be delayed further.
I'm on pins and needles.
Because of a battery shortage, the 6-cells are delayed further, so I'm picking up a 3-cell version, and buying a 6-cell battery add-on later. Having the 3-cell as an extra battery won't be a bad thing. Still, if all things were equal, I'd be buying the 6-cell XP model right now.
EDIT: BAH! Delayed until July 7th. Take my money already, assholes.
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Be wary of the Asus Eee PC - unless you have small fingers. That keyboard is BARELY big enough for someone with small fingers. A woman at work just got one and brought it in. I tried to type a sentence on the keyboard and boy was I ever stumbling over my own fingers. The screen is also a lot smaller than I was expecting. If you can find one in a Best Buy somewhere, or similar store where they might sell it, check it out before deciding on the purchase. Any other laptop that offers similar dimensions is likely to have similar components.
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That's the point of the 10" UMPCs like the Wind and the EeePC 1000H: near full-size keyboards.
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They won't do that, because then it would be completely obvious how much Microsoft is charging for Windows. Dell did something similar with their Linux desktops - they hide the price of the OS on the Windows side with more expensive hardware extras on the Linux side, instead of showing the difference between two identical machines with different OSes. It's particularly sensitive on these machines because their price is so low - the Windows tax can be north of 20% of the total cost in some cases.
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If this is true, I'm getting a Wind - no question. (crosses fingers)
So the Wind is shipping. Anyone have reports?
I may get one when the 6-cell versions ship, but I solved my immediate mobile computing needs elsewhere in the meantime.
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And then there's Acer's Aspire One, where the Fn and Ctrl keys are in the right place...
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Dell is apparently prepping a $299 netbook.
The time to check out this stuff is definitely in a month or two, after everyone gets their product to market and market forces start doing their magic (the Eee 1000H has already had ~$100 chopped off of its price, after about 2 weeks on the market!).
I definitely want a nice little ultraportable "hacktop". Something that can run Ubuntu Netbook Remix for a light, netbook-friendly GUI, run a nice text editor and a light local LAMP stack for basic web dev, and a wifi chipset with native Linux driver support for browsing and various wifi tools. Bluetooth for Bluetooth PAN would be nice too.
Don't know about the wifi chipset, but the slightly upgraded version of Dell's $299 baseline model adds Bluetooth. 1.6GHz Atom CPU and 1GB of RAM should handle the rest just fine.
Still will have to take a hard look at the Wind, especially if the price creeps down some in the face of new competition.
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