So, this guy admits that the DT is practically unkillable in combat, then complains that he can't kill other people as other classes? To me it sounds like the classes is pretty damn good, and he already figured out exactly how it works to succeed. Now I agree that every ability should be viable, but he'll have to take some nerfs to not overpower the class.

I figure if he feels that his character is in the middle of the field... that is absolute perfect balance. He has strengths, he has weaknesses. He is a rock to some scissors, and some papers. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. If feat viability is fixed for greater variability in playstyles, everybody wins.

It warms my heart to see that at level 40 my bread and butter damage dealing combo dishes out as much damage as level 80 character's one. Sometimes. There is great variability in my combo's damage output, but just last night it whacked a character 2 levels below me for 1650 damage on the final hit.

PvP is different and no class can be considered uber gankers. The builds he's talking about here are valid pvp builds, like you guys and he both mentioned. Raiding builds are totally different from this. As with most classes.

While we're not sieging yet we are having big, multiple group fights on the pvp servers now. So it's not a case of needing a mature population, but a population trying to work out what works with what we have at the moment.

My DT is 25 and at this level he is just hard to play for me. In PvP I can not stop anybody from running and my drains do not seem to do enough to keep up with the damage I take.

Funny thing is while Ranalin is talking about trying a DT out over his Ranger I just started messing with a Ranger over the DT.

While things may change down the road as it stands for me the Ranger seems like a much better class.

My HoX also does a lot better then my DT too.

Again I think part of it may be play style but currently the DT was really hard for me to play well.

No I hear you but at sametime that to me speaks to how strong ranger is not being affraif of any class and now at 43 starting to see some trouble with some classes.

I am not sure the balance Funcom is going for here but being able to beat most classes and having a few with that give you trouble seems a good balance.

The DT on the other hand from what I have expereinced does not start off fearing nobody in fact they are weak compared to what I have seen in other classes and maybe eventually rises to the level of having some things they can beat and the rest not being able to kill so easily (if we take that guys post as all fact).

I will continue with mt DT as I like the idea but he has been less fun then a bunch of classes I have tried (Barb,Ranger,Demo,Hox, and Conq).

Yeah, pretty much what I expected - all suggestions for buffs and none for nerfs. One can hardly expect any attempt at an objective evaluation of the class's role in the game if he's just going to focus whatever that needs buffing.

And as an assassin, I've always feared everyone. Just yesterday I grouped up with a guy who promptly told me my class was the worst class in all of AoC. Now if that doesn't make you all tingly inside towards your class, I'm not sure what will.

Well heck, with that changed title, this sounds like a Wrath of the Lich King thread now.

Tkyl I understand your reasoning for sticking it out. I just do not know how you are doing it.

Last night on my Barbarian was an excersize in frustration.

There were so many issues that were not caused directly by my class but still left a sour taste in my mouth about the barb in large scale pvp.

What level is your assassin Flip?

Wired, the only reason why I've been able to stick it out is because I'm trying to stick mainly to PvE right now. You might have noticed that I didn't stay to long in the PvP fighting last night. Every time I try any kind of PvP I get extremely frustrated, to the point where I almost want to quit AoC. So I've been trying actively to avoid it as much as possible right now.

I would think the 2nd hardest thing to do in an MMO is class balance (where the 1st is making the game actually fun). Balancing classes and modifying, adding and removing specific class abilities is an ongoing, dynamic process that will never end until the game itself ends.

Since everyone seems to take WoW as the current standard, its easy to take examples from it. When I started WoW (on launch day) the worst class to play was a warlock. They were so horribly broken that if you were on a PVP server and saw someone of the opposite faction anywhere NEAR you, the best thing to do was just sit down and wait to be slaughtered. But I stuck it out and got to 60 before they were ever looked at and once they were "fixed", everyone complained that they were too powerful (and that moment in time was so damn fun lol).

The same goes for the rogue in WoW. The first couple months (probably longer) it was joked that the game should have been called "World of Roguecraft" because they were SO horribly overpowered, everyone wanted to be one. Then they were fixed and well... they complained that they couldnt take everyone all the time.

The best thing to do is to pick a class you think you might like and stick with it. AoC seems different in the sense that as of yet (and I'm not very far along.. not nearly as far as others around here) the how is more important than the what in terms of classes and how you play them. Ive taken out players of the same class who were 5 levels higher than me even after they got the jump on me. I have also died to players of the same class 4-5 levels lower than me simply because I either missed my combo's or... well just screwed up. The same for every class that I've encountered thus far. But all in all I think things will always be dynamic in the sense that classes will constantly change after every update to the game.

There will always be those players that will just own you... no matter what game you play regardless of your "class". Just play to have fun, things will always change.

PAR

It wasn’t hitting combos on moving targets. That I had a lot of practice with during the pvp weekend and closed beta. The trick I found is waste the first swings and hold the final blow for when you have a target.
If that final hit registers on the target, the combo will go off on that target even if they have moved out of range during the animation.

What drives me nuts is the can not hide while in combat some one in my group is in combat, has thought about combat or was in combat yesterday.

I rolled 2h for the control. At this level the control is pretty week in massive battles, and my dps is laughable and does not make up for the lack of armor.

Again this is not 100% fact this is my impression based on my play style.

I am sure outside of the bugs this is a great class for those looking for the paper tiger approach. I thought I would like that. I was wrong.

I do not mean to be overly negative on the class because of my experiences with it.
It just comes out that way.

Ah, agreed, the group stealth, rest and no pvp credit need to be fixed.

Sound like you need a big plate wearing meathead to protect you.

Geez, that sounds eeriliy familiar

Wow people, give it time. Fixes, balance, buffs and nerfs happen over the lifecycle of an MMO, it's been out a little more than a week. Did you expect perfect balance and class playability at launch?

I know many of us are just talking here (and venting) but I believe some of your expectations are a little high. Stick with your class, it will get fixed (just like in WOW, EQ2, DOAC, etc, etc, etc) or create an alt for now and save them for later. Either way, just don't expect balance on release (or ever) - balance is constantly happening, especially when it's PVE AND PVP balance, the MMO Developer nightmare.