Painful article on marriage and gaming

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I don't know where to start. Opened up Salon.com yesterday and saw this. Followed the link in one of the letters. Blame the marriage or blame the game?

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/05/27/rock_band/

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I'm not sure it's anti-gaming. It seemed like it was about finding something they could do together that they enjoyed.

Getting killed, though? In a way that you don't like? Suck it up, Gertrude.

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Smut.

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suggests draping one's naked breasts somewhere impossible to miss -- like the coffee table, or on his head, like a doughy, undulating hat.

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Actually.. I thought it was a pretty good article. While she pointed out she disliked his gaming, she still had the ability to point out her flaws as well. This to me was not an anti-gaming article, actually quite the opposite. When she opened her eyes, she saw that even she could enjoy time playing games with her husband.

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I tried to read it but with Salon's usual lopsidedness and lack of perspective I couldn't finish it.

Frankly, the woman sounded like a self-entitlement bitch. If you think noise cancelling headphones are somehow misogynist you're clearly hyper-sensitive.

Or a Salon writer. I guess those two are not mutually exclusive.

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Maybe the "Mysoginst" noise canceling headphones and the couples' lack of anything in common coupled with the letters rubbed me the wrong way, but I saw it as sad.

She hates his hobby and his free time. Eventually turns when they find a game that is mutual. Just feels depressing to me.

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Well, it is confirmed that RockBand is for chicks, anyone want a slightly used copy?

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Botswana wrote:
Frankly, the woman sounded like a self-entitlement bitch. If you think noise cancelling headphones are somehow misogynist you're clearly hyper-sensitive.

The way I read the article, that was meant as a joke, you misogynist

I thought that was a great article. Another relationship saved through the power of rock!

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DSGamer wrote:
Maybe the "Mysoginst" noise canceling headphones and the couples' lack of anything in common coupled with the letters rubbed me the wrong way, but I saw it as sad.

My takeaway was that they live in an apartment where the walls are so thin the neighbors will bang on the wall for her trying to get her husband's attention.

Surely he's not wearing the headphones to keep from annoying the neighbors while still being able to enjoy his game! Clearly they exist to drawn out the poor tortured suffering delicate flower that he married and now neglects for virtual hookers and blow.

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She hates his hobby and his free time.

Probably closest thing to the truth. As typical for that site, the article is written completely one-sided where she not only makes herself out to be some kind of martyr but in the brief few paragraphs I read managed to air her grievances with every religion, political affiliation, and organization she has some kind of beef with. Simply put, I got the impression that she's one of those people who thinks the world would just be so much better if people would listen to her.

According to some responses here maybe that changes, but I'll be dipped if I'm going to go back and finish that piece. That would dignify with some kind of legitimacy and her hamfistedness and utter lack of professionalism at the beginning made it look bad even as an opinion piece.

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I think it could gives us some perspective of what "our significant other" feels or tolerates. I know that my GF doesn't love the fact I game, but I don't think she's ever googled "game addiction" or "HELP".

But I know she doesn't like it when I'm playing and she comes over (we haven't moved in together quite yet), and it's an issue we've left alone and have implicitly decided to deal with it the day we share a home 24x7.

I have to say that certain tones of the article define this Rachel person as bitchy, but again, I can imagine this story told by my GF to her friends (and no, I don't consider my GF bitchy).

Instead of RockBand, Kongragate came to my rescue with casual gaming. She loves the BookWorm adventures and such (any mockery will merit home-delivered anthrax envelopes) and has kept her opinion of gaming to a very objective "it's fun to kill time with".

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Botswana wrote:
According to some responses here maybe that changes, but I'll be dipped if I'm going to go back and finish that piece. That would dignify with some kind of legitimacy and her hamfistedness and utter lack of professionalism at the beginning made it look bad even as an opinion piece.

Seriously, dude, read to the end. The whole point of the headphone thing is that in the last paragraph, she herself dons the dreaded symbolic earpieces. It's not a rhetorical work that presents a well-formed argument, it's a cute story about her feelings.

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I couldn't make it past the women-hating headphones. You'd think she could be just a wee less melodramatic.

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I click on another page, where a forum of concerned women instruct me to regain Ben's attention by walking around the house dressed in skimpy outfits and waggling my hips provocatively. One enterprising poster, aptly named Cyberhottie69, even suggests draping one's naked breasts somewhere impossible to miss -- like the coffee table, or on his head, like a doughy, undulating hat.

The angle Ben is sitting at makes this impossible, but I sit beside him on the couch, unzip my hoodie to reveal the lacy top of my bra, and press my breasts firmly against his bicep.

See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

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Spoiler, she never puts the headphones on. In the end she shuns them because she hates her husband, and does not want to become him (not that she would need to hate him for this).

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KingGorilla wrote:
Well, it is confirmed that RockBand is for chicks, anyone want a slightly used copy?

Fool, you have a potent multi-instrument aphrodisiac in your hands!

It's the gadget equivalent of walking around the park with a yorkie at your heels and a cute infant on your shoulder.

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The framing story (about the post-college rock tour) doesn't do her any favors. She doesn't substantiate the argument she had with the lead, nor does she explain why it is her presence was disliked (presumably because she shooed off all the skanky groupies, but who knows). Since that leads into her yelling at the top of her lungs in a two-bedroom apartment, she ends up coming up as short tempered. [That could be personal bias, though. I hate it when people yell indoors in a home]

The headphones bit is ridiculous.
I will say, however, that it becomes a symbol of their relationship problems. He may well use them to make sure the neighbors don't beat down the wall, but for her it's something meant to block her out, to encapsulate him in a cocoon of his own personal activity. In the end she's not rejecting them because she hates her man, but because she hates that it separates them.

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I sit beside him on the couch, unzip my hoodie to reveal the lacy top of my bra, and press my breasts firmly against his bicep.

Yeah, this doesn't work so much for me. I mean, "yay boobies!" and all, but your libido gets excited, sexy sexyness goes down, and all the while you've got the paused game going on in the back of your head. Which, of course, leads to "you're not going to cuddle? WHAT THE FRAK?!"

All kidding aside, the issue with this tactic is that it's trading one (potentially) mindless activity for a (potentially) instinctual, animalistic one. Instead of sitting down and saying something like "Hey, I know you're engrossed in killing the She-Devils of the SS, but could you put the game down for a little bit and have some together time now? I'm feeling a little neglected. Lets go have lunch in the park and I'll let you game your ass off in the evening, ok?" -- you know, actually communicating -- she instead pulls the "distract with sex, profit" card.

It's a little insulting.

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Laughter and shame. I've pulled the same thing: "I'm fighting an intergalactic war for humanity's survival!"

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"I thought we should have something to do, while we're stuck at home with no one else around," he said.

Also a pretty funny line. "We could have had days of passionate sex, or long conversations, or quiet evenings staring into a crackling fire.... but lets bang on plastic instruments instead!". Heart was in the right place though, as he was trying to find a point of commonality between them.

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"No!" I cry. "I need more practice on 'Enter Sandman'!"

And so she falls.

My own girlfriend has had similar reactions. In a way, she's right. Why game when you can just lay on the couch and watch TV together? Choosing to engage in gaming while your partner is around can easily come off as a signal that you don't enjoy their company, that digital actors are more exciting than she is. But you can also turn that into any number of arguments. "Oh you spend more time tuning that car than you do talking to me". "Why is it more exciting to watch guys kick a ball than spending time with me" and so on and so forth.

I'm not sure I can say that they had a terrible marriage, or that the gaming was causing them undue friction.

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Funkenpants wrote:
See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

She also needs to consider the possibility that the tactic failed because she is ugly.

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t0W wrote:
Smut.

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suggests draping one's naked breasts somewhere impossible to miss -- like the coffee table, or on his head, like a doughy, undulating hat.

It'd work for me. Boobhats = good things.

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I couldn't make it past the women-hating headphones. You'd think she could be just a wee less melodramatic.

Hello? She's a woman!

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Podunk wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:
See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

She also needs to consider the possibility that the tactic failed because she is ugly.

This here is a man that see's the angles...I was wondering why no one brought this up sooner.

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Podunk wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:
See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

She also needs to consider the possibility that the tactic failed because she is ugly.

I approve this message.....

My wife does this sexy tatic too me sometimes.. I think once I did not drop everything and "talk" to her in the next room. I think it was our OO vs GWJ match.


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I don't know, I have similar things happen with my wife. However, I don't need "noise cancellation". I've developed the ability to just tune out the frequency of her voice

But seriously, more than once I've ignored her when she'd come home from work or feeling sick or haven't really seen her in a few days because of work schedules, all because I was too engrossed in playing. But more than once I've gotten the Rock Band reaction out of her. Gaming is something that we share (though it's safe to say that I make up the bulk of our collective habit).

Point is, the article just came off as a person taking a situation from their daily lives and venting about it. There was a lot of sarcasm sure, but that's what kep it from being too melodramatic. Just another "finding middle ground" type story.

On a final note, the breast trap is easier to resist than most would expect when in the full glossy-eyed throws of a gaming binge.

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Holy crap, some of you people really need to take your feelings and work them out in the P&C portion of this forum. The headphones bit was a light-hearted joke, you must have one hell of a chip on your shoulder to take it as anything other than that.

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HOAX!

There's no way he could go to sleep while she's practicing the drums. Not if he left the noise canceling headphones behind.

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Quintin_Stone wrote:
HOAX!

There's no way he could go to sleep while she's practicing the drums. Not if he left the noise canceling headphones behind.

I dispute noise cancellation powers of the headphones entirely. I say it was selective hearing and he was blaming the dog. An act he will moste certainly pay for when she puts them on and finds out.

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Pharacon wrote:
Podunk wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:
See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

She also needs to consider the possibility that the tactic failed because she is ugly.

I approve this message.....

My wife does this sexy tatic too me sometimes.. I think once I did not drop everything and "talk" to her in the next room. I think it was our OO vs GWJ match.

So was it worth it? You could have switched places with about anyone and GWJ would have still won.

Getting killed, though? In a way that you don't like? Suck it up, Gertrude.

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After reading the article, the only conclusion I can come up with is that both parties fail.

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I click on another page, where a forum of concerned women instruct me to regain Ben's attention by walking around the house dressed in skimpy outfits and waggling my hips provocatively.

Seriously, prancing around the house naked to get attention? And you're wondering why that didn't work? Really? Yeah, I'm sure that plan would've been highly successful had you married a freakin Neanderthal.

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I'm a girl, so I guess I'm not the intended target of this one. I did read the whole thing, but it didn't help me much. If my S.O. came off the way this article does I'd cancel a heck of a lot more than the noise.

I know it's a common theme, but the whole "gaming is okay as long as I like to do it" thing leaves me cold. It doesn't seem like common ground. It seems like she gets to decide what he can and cannot do based on whether she likes it or not.

Yes, there should be compromise here and some expectation setting that can be mutully agreed upon in terms of timing and other activities. And it's always great to find something new you can do together. But to act like that just because he doesn't just drop everything he likes to do because I'm feeling bored and can't be bothered to keep myself occupied just seems selfish and immature to me.

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Podunk wrote:
Funkenpants wrote:
See, this is what gets me. She didn't even bother to make her breasts into a doughy, undulating hat. Follow the instructions, noob.

She also needs to consider the possibility that the tactic failed because she is ugly.

Check out her web site for a pic: http://www.rachelshukert.com/. She's definitely bangable.

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Mystic Violet wrote:

Seriously, prancing around the house naked to get attention? And you're wondering why that didn't work? Really? Yeah, I'm sure that plan would've been highly successful had you married a freakin Neanderthal.

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You're right... she should've brought a steak.

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Crom agree.

This topic is win.

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I read the article, start to finish, and it's very much a typical Salon article. Very biased, full of fail.

As others pointed out, the easiest way to fix this is communication and compromise; I'd be in all the searching for ways to fix the problem, she likely never once brought it up in a discussion of any type. Ultimately, it's sad that she never did, accepting his idea of compromise, but whatever works. I suppose it vilifies him further in the minds of some, proving that the only way he can connect is through a game.

@momgamer: All that link goes to is a handful of slashdot articles with a quote referring to someone with a hamster that runs Ubuntu.. but do you really apply that litmus test to everything?

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