So it's a vast what-wing conspiracy?

.... sure, you may not like her policies... but she could win! And you wanna pick a winner, right? You don't wanna gamble, do ya son. No. Not with something as important as your vote! You wanna back a horse that can run the whole race! Ooops! Did I say race? Listen, come here, have you been working out? Let me lay this on the line for you: I've got numbers. Numbers that say she's a shoo-in! No really! Here... Polls! Yeah. See? Look at those numbers. See that? That column there. Yeah, now look over here. Why didn't you know that before? Huh? Who's keeping these numbers from you? So you see now? You don't wanna throw your vote against THAT brick wall, do ya? Listen here, these numbers are never wrong. Point is... She can win! And you want to win. We like winners! Just think what'll happen if you pick wrong again. Remember Dean? Yearrhoo indeed! And now he wants to tell you where to throw your vote? So forget about the policies, forget about the tactics. You know what she's willing to do, who she's willing to step over to get the job done. Ruthless like... you ever see 24? Yeah. She'll kneecap that sucker and get us the big W. The big "W" is what we want in the White House. Right? Yeah. Hill on the Hill. Hmm... sounds like a video I saw back when I was a governor. Hmmmm... listen hun, once this is all over how 'bout you and m.... Yes dear? Oh yeah, ehem... So, Support Hillary.

It feels like a Monday.

I'm waiting for it to become Bush's fault that she can't win.

I could've sworn that I went into some little elementary school and stood for an hour and a half in a cafeteria so I could vote for Obama but according to the Clintons, that never took place. My vote for Obama doesn't count in the popular vote because I loved my country enough to waste my Saturday afternoon in a cramped little corner of the room.

I think saying that I didn't vote is a cover-up.

I'm waiting for her to blame it on Rush Limbaugh personally...

She likes Rush Limbaugh now. It's the liberal media she can't stand because they're all out to get her.

Uh oh, we gave NSMike the Shubblies. The bad kind, not, y'know, Shodan's cyberboobs.

In the slab of concrete.

There's really not much of a debate. Hillary only wins the general under a particular set of rules invented by the Clintons. It's not insane and paranoid, but it is definitely slimy and disingenuous.

Ah, I guess I thought he was talking about the Clintons' bullsh*t contention that Hillary will be ahead in the popular vote at the end of the Democratic primaries, which he addressed in the same talk:

If he's talking about national polling, it's even sillier, if a bit less dishonest. Polling in May has little or nothing to do with the general election in November. And despite what Bill might claim, there's no way Hillary honestly wins the popular vote in the primaries. So, ummm...yeah. It's slimy and disingenuous.

Ok. I think I see the misunderstanding. Bill Clinton says two things. About the general he says that she wins and he doesn't, which is neither slimy nor particularly disingenuous and which I'm objecting to being construed as such. I assumed that this is what the thread was about, since that's what the cover-up part was about.

He also makes the

statement, which could technically be true, if you follow Clinton math and count Florida (somewhat reasonable) and Michigan (completely unreasonable) and don't bother to try to estimate the caucus versus primary difference. I'll agree that this is disingenuous and while I wouldn't characterize it as slimy, won't be overly concerned if you do.

Now they're talking about possibly using Michigan and Florida.

The only possible deal that can happen would be one that satisfies NOONE -- neither voters in Florida & Michigan, nor their DNC delegations, nor the rest of the states that abided by the schedule, nor Obama campaign, nor, of course, Hillary, because it will STILL fall short of giving her an advantage.

It's pretty easy for Clinton to get a total victory in Michigan since Obama wasn't even listed on the ballot. Certainly makes Hillary's "Count Every Vote" slogan ring a bit hollow when Obama supports weren't even given the option to vote for him.

The only way this could have worked is if both states voted again and attempts to do so failed.

Michigan voters need to turn their anger to the state for moving their primary up in some crazy attempt to become more, I don't know, like Iowa. Florida voters, well, I completely gave up on you two elections ago.

I believe around 40% of Michigan voters voted "Uncommitted" in the primary to signify either their support for Obama, Edwards, Richardson, or Biden, who were all not on the ballot. Or they could have been voicing their lack of support for anyone on the slate. Not exactly a slam dunk win for the Popular Vote when half of the primary candidates aren't even on the ballot.