Recommend me: AoC system components

Maximus Nofunicus
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I've been play... um... thinking about playing the Beta on my laptop and suspect it chugs a bit. My desktop is currently in need of a resurrection and now is the time.

Basically, I want recommendations for:

  • Mainboard (ATX?)
  • CPU
  • Video Card(s)
  • Power supply?
  • RAM? (I'm not sure if what I have now is too old for modern boards)

Yes, I understand that if I can run Crysis with all the bling, then AoC will be no problem, but I can't go that overboard. The focus is on value (i.e. bang for the buck) and my goal is to be able to run AOC with all the bells and whistles at a modest 1680 x 1050. Seriously, I've got kids to feed so keep it reasonable, please.

Thanks.

Edit: RAM specs = Kingston KVR400X64C25/512 512MB DDR400 PC3200 CL2.5

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Cue *Legion* in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

EDIT: A-ha! Found the current build for the $750 rig.

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You are going to need at *least* 2 gigs of RAM. On my machine, AoC alone takes up over 1.2 gigs of RAM which is just nuts. I have 4 (which I would recommend) but 2 should be adequate, although make sure you've got room to upgrade as needed.

You'll want at least a 2.6 ghz dual-core processor (recommended specs).

GPU - 8800 GT 512 MB DDR3 Ram. Should run you right around $200 if you go to slickdeals.net there is one available for $150 after $30 mail-in rebate (while supplies last) also requires Dell Preferred Account (which is free)

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Get 4gbs of Ram. No doubt there with prices as low comparatively as they are.(DDR2 800 is probably the best decision here, say goodbye to the DDR).

A good mobo for you would be the gigabyte p35. If you want to step up there, get the Asus p35.

Proc wise, try the E6450 C2D for a cheapo. Other wise try the Qwhatever that's clocked at 2.6. This along with a decent cooler(the stock ain't too shabby) should allow a big ole overclock.

Video card, go either the 9600gt or the 8800gt512. Its a personal choice here because they score very similarly on price to value ratios.

PSU, try for a 550 or 600 watt from a name brand like forton or PC Power and Cooling. Cheap ones are not worth it. I have a whole dead system in my basement as proof.

Do you have a price to shoot for? That would make it way easier to recommend as reasonable can vary from 750-1500 depending on the income bracket of who you talk to.

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kaostheory, you convinced me to upgrade to 4 gigs, and i'm grateful that you made me check today. Newegg has my Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 SDRAM, 2 gigs for 34 bucks after rebate, with free shipping (ends tomorrow!). Man, RAM is cheap nowadays.

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jonnypolite wrote:
kaostheory, you convinced me to upgrade to 4 gigs, and i'm grateful that you made me check today. Newegg has my Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 SDRAM, 2 gigs for 34 bucks after rebate, with free shipping (ends tomorrow!). Man, RAM is cheap nowadays.

Glad I could be of service.

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LilCodger wrote:
Cue *Legion* in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

EDIT: A-ha! Found the current build for the $750 rig.

The $750 build is a good starting point, with the following upgrades if budget allows:
* an 8800 GT in place of the 9600 GT
* an E7200, E6750, Q6600, E8400 or Q9300 in place of the E2200. The E7200 is pretty great for a budget build - 2.53 GHz Penryn with 3MB L2 cache for $135. Can't quite squeeze it into the $750 PC (could if I dumped the monitor )
* 4GB of RAM instead of 2GB

Buy what you can comfortably budget. You don't have to strain the budget.

(This month's $750 build will be even better than that one, too - CPU price drop, hooray!)

boogle wrote:
Proc wise, try the E6450 C2D for a cheapo.

That CPU is, by all appearances, discontinued - neither NewEgg nor ZipZoomFly have it. Same with a lot of the older C2D chips.

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*Legion* wrote:

boogle wrote:
Proc wise, try the E6450 C2D for a cheapo.

That CPU is, by all appearances, discontinued - neither NewEgg nor ZipZoomFly have it. Same with a lot of the older C2D chips.

Must upgrade.......hardware outdated.....

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*Legion* wrote:
* an 8800 GT in place of the 9600 GT

See? That's the sh*t I don't have time to keep up with anymore. An 8800 is better than a 9600? Up is down, cat's living with dogs...

*Legion* wrote:
(This month's $750 build will be even better than that one, too - CPU price drop, hooray!)

So that'll be posted later today, right?

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G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)

Is this gaming worthy memory? I was going to pick up 4gb of it. Any other recommendations for memory?

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Grumpicus wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
* an 8800 GT in place of the 9600 GT

See? That's the sh*t I don't have time to keep up with anymore. An 8800 is better than a 9600? Up is down, cat's living with dogs...

*Legion* wrote:
(This month's $750 build will be even better than that one, too - CPU price drop, hooray!)

So that'll be posted later today, right?
96 is the same chip basically and the 88 has more gram.

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Grumpicus wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
* an 8800 GT in place of the 9600 GT

See? That's the sh*t I don't have time to keep up with anymore. An 8800 is better than a 9600? Up is down, cat's living with dogs...

It doesn't make sense at first glance, however the x600 series of Nvidia cards tend to be a little underwhelming. Coupled with the fact that the newer 512MB 8800GT's are really beasty, awesome cards, the 8800GT come out with better benchmarks and a slightly higher price.

I don't think anyone will give you crap if you pick up a 9600. They're solid cards with good benchmarks and a great pricepoint. They're especially awesome if you're pinching pennies.

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boogle wrote:
96 is the same chip basically and the 88 has more gram.

The G94 (9600GT's chip) is a G92 (8800GT's chip) with half of the stream processors and texture units removed (64 and 32, versus 112-128 and 64).

Grumpicus wrote:
An 8800 is better than a 9600? Up is down, cat's living with dogs...

That's exactly the kind of thing that made me start writing those articles. It gives me an excuse to "keep up".

Grumpicus wrote:
So that'll be posted later today, right?

Hah, soon. Almost done writing it. Sometime this week, let's say.

kaostheory wrote:
I don't think anyone will give you crap if you pick up a 9600. They're solid cards with good benchmarks and a great pricepoint. They're especially awesome if you're pinching pennies.

The 9600 GT is a great card, and before 8800 GTs started getting down below $200, it was a ludicrously good value. Now, at ~$150 versus ~$180 for an 8800 GT, it's just a "darn good" value.

Man, I paid $260 for my 8800 GT the day after Christmas, and I thought I was in hog heaven.

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kaostheory wrote:
I don't think anyone will give you crap if you pick up a 9600. They're solid cards with good benchmarks and a great pricepoint. They're especially awesome if you're pinching pennies.
I'm not so much pinching pennies as stretching dollars. With me, it's all about bang for the buck so if the 8800 is slightly more money for more than slightly better performance, I've got no problem shelling out the extra ducats.

What I want is an "Upgrading for Dummies" pick list *glances over Legion's way* because even once I decide to get an 8800GT, I still have to pick a manufacturer, right?

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I'll hook you up.

(As far as video card companies, EVGA, XFX, and BFG Tech. Mostly the first two, and don't bother with anyone besides these three for NVIDIA-based cards)

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*Legion* wrote:
I'll hook you up.
Thanks. I used to be in to this... but then I got old... and have more money than time... which is mostly a reflection of my time.

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Grumpicus wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
I'll hook you up.
Thanks. I used to be in to this... but then I got old... and have more money than time... which is mostly a reflection of my time.

Same here. *Legion* definitely has a few beers coming his way if we were to ever meet. Top notch help.

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*Legion* wrote:
boogle wrote:
96 is the same chip basically and the 88 has more gram.

The G94 (9600GT's chip) is a G92 (8800GT's chip) with half of the stream processors and texture units removed (64 and 32, versus 112-128 and 64).

I said that. But in layman talk. I swear its not because I refuse to remember statistics.

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My MSI 8800gt is pretty darn spiffy and reasonably priced.

It could be that it is just really damn hard to screw up the superawesomeness that is the 8800GT!

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fangblackbone wrote:
My MSI 8800gt is pretty darn spiffy and reasonably priced.

It could be that it is just really damn hard to screw up the superawesomeness that is the 8800GT!

The GPU is going to be the same no matter who makes your card.

The reason one would buy from somewhere like EVGA or XFX is top-notch service, incredible warranty support (including warranties that don't disappear just because you had the nerve to do a little overclocking), step-up programs, hardware reliability, maybe a bit better stock cooling, and stuff like that.

There are a number of card manufacturers who put out decent vanilla cards that work just fine, but if you're paying the same amount either way, you want the one with the rest of the package.

MSI's kind of a second tier hardware company. Their cards are decent, their motherboards are decent. I've used both, and still have an MSI motherboard in my wife's overclocked PC. Their gear works well enough, their mobo BIOS was reasonably good for overclocking... their stuff just falls into that "nothing special" category that a number of others do. Adequate, solid enough, I have no complaints with my experiences with them... they just don't really specialize in anything to where they'd be an industry leader.

EVGA and XFX specialize in gaming and serving the enthusiast, and though you might never need the extra level of service, it's awesome that it's there if you ever do. They're also usually the most aggressively priced, or at least among the lowest priced, so you rarely have to pay any sort of premium for it. Me telling someone that they should really only consider companies like EVGA and XFX is less of an indictment against the other guys, and more of a statement on how well those companies do with their service & support.

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There are a number of card manufacturers who put out decent vanilla cards that work just fine, but if you're paying the same amount either way, you want the one with the rest of the package.

They just happened to have a deal on a $180 8800GT (including mail in rebate) when everyone else was $220-250. It was also "in stock" when the 8800GT's were harder to come by.

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fangblackbone wrote:
They just happened to have a deal on a $180 8800GT (including mail in rebate) when everyone else was $220-250. It was also "in stock" when the 8800GT's were harder to come by.

Good deal. I wouldn't have turned it down either.

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