Broadband caps and overage fees coming to the US
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Cable-Broadband-Users-Get-Ready-For-O...
Not widespread yet but seems inevitable unless people are ready for it, move with their wallets, protest, shoot guns etc. For most americans this is still a foreign concept but other parts of the world have already fallen prey to it. Australia, Canada, UK etc. 250gb seems like a lot but having it at all is the Pandora's box. I suspect the primary motivation is to get people off of digital video and back to paying for TV to manage their caps which is exactly the wrong direction to go about it. Telecommuting, Steam, Netflix etc may all be relegated to niche services if this happens. So much for Microsoft's "discs are dead, downloads are the future" strategy!
For example, if anyone wants to look at the future, look at Australia ... which is.. well worst offender by far and the country that first pioneered broadband limits http://digg.com/tech_news/You_think_a_rumor_about_broadband_caps_is_bad and I'm only going to be here for 5 more weeks. Also the limit here is carved into "peak" and "offpeak times" so even though you may get a set amount, you may have to alter your sleeping habits to use it. Don't laugh, it's happened!
I've found that I average about 60-100gb just between youtube, gametrailers (my biggest hog but I need my fix what can I say) ,CNN. I used up 15% of peak just watching CNN video to a friend for 1-2 hours the other day and PSN content. I suspect even a moderately enthusiastic XBL user will blow their limit from that alone lol. No online gaming, no WoW, no Vent. I deliberately stay off anything with higher quality i.e. veoh, revver, hula. My torrent activities are limited to Dr Who, Galactica and Numb3rs every week. It's not even close to how much I used during my warez/college days. I've had to cut to weekly code/database/build drops (2-3gb a pop) because of the limits as well and I don't even want to think about guys who work video, vfx etc. So how much do you think you use?
Oh and forget about ubiquitous wi-fi, businesses won't be able to afford it. I can remember being escorted out of the Queen Victoria Building by a manager AND a security guard my 2nd week here after finally finding a wifi spot only because I plugged my laptop in like at any good coffee shop, airport lounge and had sat down for under an hour! with specific instructions that I shouldn't be using it for anything more than checking email lol.
It's not just about warez and porn anymore. For a family with a shared household connection, fun times are ahead. "This video service is not available outside the united states" is just the tip of the iceberg.

If I am forced to use an ISP with a monthly limit, I will set my QoS in the router to limit the bandwidth to the point where I can download 24/7 at full-speed for a month while just reaching, but not exceeding the limit.
Of course it will result in a miserable speed, likely, but at least I won't go paranoid.
Yeah this is ridiculous. If we're going to usher into the digital download age and drop the plastic discs, this has to stop! Let's make our own internet!
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I'd better download all the podcasts for archival now.
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Glad to see Verizon isn't looking to cap my Fios. They specifically advertise it as great for online video and games, so I would be pretty upset if they started crippling these very services.
That's a great idea! Who's with us? We'll use cans connected by string, and we can tap out the bits. If you hear a sort of "thunk" sound, that's an "ack". And if I hit the can with something metallic, that's a "ping," so try to respond quickly, I'll be timing it with a stopwatch. Make sure to keep your strings taut, or the whole network could go down!
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On a more serious note, a city-wide wireless mesh network could be nice... if everyone was computer-savvy and if software was super optimized to reduce the unnecessary load on each node.
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On a more serious note, my cap is 10 GB and that's pretty generous in my country. You can start laughing now.
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If this becomes widespread I'll just cancel my broadband and revert back to the life I lived the last time I ditched gaming and the internet for a couple of years. Really, it was a pretty good time and it wouldn't make me sad to do it again.
I'd have a hell of a lot more money.
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No sh*t! I am with Thin_J on this one. I would go through withdrawals for a couple of days, but I would spend more time with my friends and family and save that extra cash that I blow on internet service. If they don't/can't give the consumer what they want, then we reciprocate and don't give them our cash.
Seems pretty simple to me.
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lunabean wrote:Scary. I have no idea how much i use per month - i'm going to test this from today. I don't think it's that much... though i could be wrong, i don't think i use 100 GB.
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Does anyone know of a good, free monitoring programme? The ones i'm finding are pretty bad on the working and interface side of things. OS is windows 2k or Vista.
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It needs to happen and I'm glad it's going to, personally. Some people out there use up way more than their fare share.
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I am only half way through one cup of coffee so far this morning. So I am going to assume sarcasm.
I think about this month alone I have downloaded 3 gigantic clients for betas and countless patches.
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Living in South Africa, it's hard to imagine how having a 100 GB cap would be much of a hardship. I need to make do on 3 Gb per month.
And I really wish I was exaggerating.
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Many of the cable companies already have hidden bandwidth caps in place that if you breach you'll get a letter, or your service will just be plain cut-off. Or the other nice trick they are doing lately is the bandwidth throttling.
At least with this plan everything will be out in the open, no hidden BS like they are doing these days.
As far as the "fair share" comment, what do you mean by share? People pay for a service advertised as an unlimited internet connection. There is nothing to share, it is unlimited. They can use as much or as little as they want.
I noticed one commenter on another site saying that comcast's possible cap was pretty high, but I think it's fair to wonder if that's not just the slice of the salami. Get people used to the concept, then cut another slice by lowering the limit. Wait a while, do it again.
I guess a lot depends on whether it's just to stop "bandwidth hogs" or is part of a bigger plan to change the way people buy internet access.
Wonder if Verizon does this with their fiber connections?
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You mean, do they have a hidden cap, which when breached will trigger a warning letter?
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My fair share when I'm paying for unlimited Internet access is bloody well whatever I want it to be. To offer unlimited service but then call me a bandwidth hog because I choose to use it as I see fit is textbook hypocrisy on the ISP's part.
These companies have network capacity coming out their wazoos. They just want to use things like P2P as an excuse to extract more money for less service and to restrict competition from competing content. It's the same principals that are at odds in the current roaring debate in Canada about Bell imposing packet shaping on 3rd parties. They continually claim that P2P and other "bandwidth hog" users are choking their network yet they always refuse to provide any proof of it. I don't believe for a second that they have to implement these overages in order to remain profitable and even if they did, they maybe should have considered the future implications of offering unlimited access before they started doing so. It's certainly their right to go "We didn't plan this properly and now you have to pay more for less", I just don't see why as consumers, this is our problem.
I'm with a small Canadian DSL ISP that has barely 30,000 customers and they continue to offer an unlimited plan and are very profitable. When a small outfit like this can make money off unlimited, those who largely control the network certainly can.
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Hell, I download that in a week just in porn, let alone streaming video and youtube dumb stuff.
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Even ISPs that aren't capped can be real pains in the arse about "fair use". My old ISP (Tiscali UK) used to email me warning me about it when I downloaded 4gb of XBL demos in a day, despite their heavily advertised "no limits" promise. They threatened to put me on a limited bandwidth "heavy user" connection.
I switched to Sky broadband, who told me that I would have to be downloading 24 hours a day on 4 machines before it bothered them, and they seem to be true to their word. However, like most UK ISPs, I get nowhere near the "up to" speed.
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I use Nildram in the UK, the business connection at £35 a month was the only one I could find, where it actually was unlimited usage, the only fair use clause was about Newsgroups and I don't really go over 60GB a month, unless the BBC IPlayer now is ramping that up.
I think the ISPs are not accounting for demand and are trying to price usage up so people will use the internet less and It then saves the ISPs some money from the usage. Online Video is a key growth area if marketed right, with the end user experience being flawless. On demand TV, without needing lots of DVDs around? Nice!
I reckon we will reach the point where people will look for the providers who don't limit their viewing, or we wait for Internet2.
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My last job was at a DSL provider. Shortly after they were bought by a larger DSL provider, which was shortly before I left, they introduced a plan to eventually cap bandwidth at 5 GB per month.
Unlimited bandwidth that companies offer just because they know their customers will probably never actually use that much is going to be a thing of the past, and soon.
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Crap.
I don't want this at all. Thankfully Cox appears to be the least restrictive of several broadband ISPs.
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On the other hand it does give me some hope for the US economy since the US might be only place on earth left without any limits and thus will have a competitive advantage (assuming big business and paid for politicians don't screw this up too). This might have been the long term plan from the beginning as the internet is first and foremost America's network. The majority of english net traffic comes from the US so American backbones aren't paying the overseas cost in pulling the data especially for things like video. The US still has more local/regional competition in broadband than most countries and is more tightly integrated into economy/work/everyday life so it'll be harder to pull this off (I hope) in America.
Most places with extreme speed used for piracy 24/7 i.e. sweden, japan still don't rely on it as much as americans do in my limited opinion
EDIT: and yeah I checked Cox, I had used them for years before I moved, no complaints. They still don't have any caps but its nice to know that if you are hardcore enough to relocate then there are still some options
Welcome to our world! I'm pretty happy for now actually, with my monthly limit going up from 12gb to 25. It's like Christmas!
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Thanks, Xan. I'll look into using that one!
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Man I dont know how you make do with 12gb, I've already cut my usage severely during my "term of service" here. VoIP and internet radio for example, you'd be surprised at how fast that chews up bandwidth. Backups and foreign films, also forgone until I get back to a civilized country. Oh and running a part time "business" in Second Life? where their whole model revolves around streaming? forget it. I tested and I was roughly burning up 40mb a minute just moving around the world (possibly in a sim with video and audio streaming)
Sooo... bigpond?
I think Australia is still the only country to have this peak/offpeak crap so they can advertise a big amount but then really restrict you to a much smaller amount. Everyone else is flat rate. And for people complaining about per gb charges, you can charged per mb in Australia!
I'm finding that it's a nice little program. Didn't find anything tricky about it, but then again the only NIC I have in my system currently is the one integrated into the motherboard, which the program set up automatically.
So far I've used 80Mb in two days. Granted I just quit WoW, haven't really run Ventrilo, and have been playing SP games mostly, so that might not be indicative of my normal bandwidth habits.
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