I really dug Timesplitters, but the PAX co-op demo last summer was very disappointing in terms of level design, art style, and graphics. I'll be interested to see whether the demo is an improvement.

Installing it as we speak The download was pretty quick considering it's size..

Slooow download. I'm down for some coop too.

Anyone want to give co-op a quick go tomorrow night? Maybe the game really opens up and shines with co-op. Anything could happen...

I was a little unimpressed. It seemed to be a very solid Halo clone with some catches, but it didn't grab me in the first 10 minutes of playing. It definitely is a solid shooter though, but it might have some trouble against the competition.

That's not actually a spoiler, they've been rubbing the transition from Mantel to renegades in our faces for quite a while. Apparently the Nectar remains a gameplay hook from the renegades' point of view by providing weaknesses for them to exploit. For example, since the Nectar obscures the world's gritty violence, corpses are overlooked and so playing dead becomes an option. The nectar isn't the hook, but the element that provides an excuse for heavily asymmetric sides in the conflict.

Well I was ready to pat myself on the back a second time for being right on yet another polished turd after Dark Sector but after playing, I'd have to say that its a polished turd with some redeeming features. While it is, for the most part pretty standard FPS fare, the graphics are above average, though really not good enough to justify most fanboys' desperation to compare it to Crysis. The shooting gameplay is actually somewhat fun and above average compared to most FPS'. However I can't see any real benefit from co-op other than it's now the AAA flavour du jour. Depending on how you feel about the whole nectar gimmick, this could be a $20-30 buy or not but overall better than I expected. Dark Sector on the other hand, even more mediocre than I expected

Im getting sick of all this wannabe military bromance that Ive been seeing of late though, Turok, Haze etc.

Well the only thing is they're not making fun. They're living out the fantasy of being in their own personal war movies and late developed macho jock envy that comes from spending the early part of their lives as nerds and the military culture that develops from working on video games 24/7 with no women around

There are more branches of military than just the marines and most people that have not only seen combat, service and had anything up close and personal will not be all "Hey brah" about it. It's fantasy but it also devalues war into something like a sunday football game.

IGN just reviewed it. They didn't like it so much .

I have this high on the rental list as I thought the demo was OK. I'm very eager to try it. My prediction on this: The gameplay and story will be no better than Halo but Halo will continue to be held on a golden pedestle while this gets dumped on.

I thought they rescinded that offer.